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Larry Bird=Great Player, Average Coach, Terrible GM

Average Coach? He made the NBA finals? He got that team to play better than anyone else who had coached them. He's not a HOF coach, but I don't know if i'd call him average.
 
weak nba league with 2 much expansion(east was a joke). had a good core of players that played years with each other. easy job to do with that team. tates locke could of did the same with that team. so yes he was avg. like stan van gundy is avg. coach. there are many coaches that have been to the finals that are clowns.
 

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I sure don't have enough passion about the NBA to go back and forth on this, but you are kidding yourself if you think getting to NBA Finals with this team or ANY team is something that is EASY. Yes, that was a special group of Pacers and there was a lot on the line for Reggie but it is absolutely ridiculous to say that it took no coaching ability to accomplish what that team did. I realize that I will not change your opinion but I imagine that I am not the only one on here that believes that!
 
I sure don't have enough passion about the NBA to go back and forth on this, but you are kidding yourself if you think getting to NBA Finals with this team or ANY team is something that is EASY. Yes, that was a special group of Pacers and there was a lot on the line for Reggie but it is absolutely ridiculous to say that it took no coaching ability to accomplish what that team did. I realize that I will not change your opinion but I imagine that I am not the only one on here that believes that!

stan and jeff van gundy, larry bird, avery johnson, mike brown, and bryon scott come to mind that imo are avg. coaches. great coaches win the title avg. can get them there. not trying to argue with ya but these are the most recent coaches that came to my head that had teams that could get there, but it takes coaching to win it all.
 
stan and jeff van gundy, larry bird, avery johnson, mike brown, and bryon scott come to mind that imo are avg. coaches. great coaches win the title avg. can get them there. not trying to argue with ya but these are the most recent coaches that came to my head that had teams that could get there, but it takes coaching to win it all.
egc, I know what you are saying, and I have heard that discussion before, I just don't buy into it or think it is that easy to prove it. Larry had a style that worked for that team and I don't think any Pacer coach has matched his ability since then.
 

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stan and jeff van gundy, larry bird, avery johnson, mike brown, and bryon scott come to mind that imo are avg. coaches. great coaches win the title avg. can get them there. not trying to argue with ya but these are the most recent coaches that came to my head that had teams that could get there, but it takes coaching to win it all.

If I understand you correctly, each year one coach can win a championship and is therefore above average. One coach will lose a championship and is therefor average. All other coaches don't make the championship series and are therefore below average. Tough criteria to be an average coach in my book.
 
Explain further please

Did Jackson win in Chicago w/out Jordan AND Pippen AND 2 rounds of expansion? Did Jordan win w/out Pippen and Jackson? Did Pippen win w/out Jackson and Jordan??

No -- they didn't.

The NBA expanded in 1988 and 1989; Charlotte, Miami, Orlando and Minnesota; and AGAIN in 1996 with Toronto and Memphis (Vancouver).

Bird won titles with 2 (drastically) different coaches; the cast for the 1981 title was quite a bit different than in 1986.
 
Did Jackson win in Chicago w/out Jordan AND Pippen AND 2 rounds of expansion? Did Jordan win w/out Pippen and Jackson? Did Pippen win w/out Jackson and Jordan??

No -- they didn't.

The NBA expanded in 1988 and 1989; Charlotte, Miami, Orlando and Minnesota; and AGAIN in 1996 with Toronto and Memphis (Vancouver).

Bird won titles with 2 (drastically) different coaches; the cast for the 1981 title was quite a bit different than in 1986.

So Phil Jackson's 11 rings don't mean anything because there was expansion? Phil Jackson has never got the credit he deserves. The Bulls didn't win before Phil got there, The Kobe and Shaq Lakers didn't win before Phil got there, he was there after the Lakers traded Shaq (left for a year) and helped re-build (draft and trade) the Lakers into the back to back champions that they are right now. He is the best handler of big egos in NBA history (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Shaq, Kobe, Artest).
 
So Phil Jackson's 11 rings don't mean anything because there was expansion? Phil Jackson has never got the credit he deserves. The Bulls didn't win before Phil got there, The Kobe and Shaq Lakers didn't win before Phil got there, he was there after the Lakers traded Shaq (left for a year) and helped re-build (draft and trade) the Lakers into the back to back champions that they are right now. He is the best handler of big egos in NBA history (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Shaq, Kobe, Artest).

Well, I'll just say that there were 56 more players in the league because of expansion and that the league was weaker because of it.

I'll give Jackson credit for winning in the CBA in the early 80s because any coach who can win the CBA title is a helluva coach.

NBA post-expansion?? A weaker league than Larry and Magic entered.

Who doesn't give Jackson any credit?? Every freaking media outlet bows and scrapes to him like he's freakin' Plato or Socrates
 
If I understand you correctly, each year one coach can win a championship and is therefore above average. One coach will lose a championship and is therefor average. All other coaches don't make the championship series and are therefore below average. Tough criteria to be an average coach in my book.

im saying avg. coaches can get to the NBA championship. Jerry Sloan is a good coach but not great.
 

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