HOOPSFAN
The Varsity Level
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Coaching replacement list
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sycamore tuff
The All-MVC Level
Maybe we can get coach K. He might desire a challenge at the end of his career.
Tommy33624
The White Level
Down 3. We have possession. Go down the floor and put up a 2 that misses. Wonderful coaching. Time to go guy. What situation arises that we tell Lansing to go home mid-season and let an assistant finish out the year, with the reward being on the interview list for next season? Odum too young for the head job?
First call should be to Larry Bird. And I'm actually dead serious.
If he says, "No"...or if he laughs his ass off, then you move on to Micah Shrewsberry, or whomever else.
If he says, "No"...or if he laughs his ass off, then you move on to Micah Shrewsberry, or whomever else.
Yes, too young, too inexperienced
let him get some experience before even throwing his name around... otherwise, it's a "personality pick" -- you'd have to surround him w/ a number of EXPERIENCED assistants.
In no way am I advocating for him to get the job, especially now. they could approach Bird but he's not going to take the job; can ANYONE see him chasing recruits?
never going to happen
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Tommy33624
The White Level
I'd take Sue Bird over our current choices. And I'm serious.
never gonna happen
we're not the Spurs, we don't have 25+ years of success to fall back upon
Now, if ol' cranky Popovich wants to return to his native state; play at his early hero's alma mater
I'm in! I'll knock over a bank to help fund Popovich's hiring
No I would be flat out shocked. And then I would question their motives for coming here and taking a pay cut. Like what scandal or problem at your previous school are you running from?
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Sycamorefan96
The All-MVC Level
Was Brandon Murphy the last Center we had that was any good? Maybe you can throw Rickman in that category? Kessinger and LaRavia are / were forwards trying to play center but we haven't had a real center for quite a while now.
Here are likely the coaching archetypes this job can attract:
1) Returning Coach - The guy that previously had a head coaching gig but was fired at his previous stop and has been sitting out waiting for a new opportunity to come his way. Usually these guys don't seem to get jobs at the same level they were previously at unless they have a stellar W/L track record.
2) Longtime P5 Assistant - Likely a guy that has been waiting to be the successor somewhere that may be seeing that window on his opportunity to be a head coach closing.
3) Younger/ish P5 Assistant - Likely the P5 guy that is younger and doesn't want to wait around to get that first gig.
4) Current LM Head Coach - Guy looking to move up from a low major head coaching job.
5) Current Non-D1 Head Coach - Guy looking to make the jump from the D2/D3/JUCO ranks. I know this is going to sound bad, but usually these guys are packaged with a star player coming with him so it is likely the most unlikely candidate.
1) Returning Coach - The guy that previously had a head coaching gig but was fired at his previous stop and has been sitting out waiting for a new opportunity to come his way. Usually these guys don't seem to get jobs at the same level they were previously at unless they have a stellar W/L track record.
2) Longtime P5 Assistant - Likely a guy that has been waiting to be the successor somewhere that may be seeing that window on his opportunity to be a head coach closing.
3) Younger/ish P5 Assistant - Likely the P5 guy that is younger and doesn't want to wait around to get that first gig.
4) Current LM Head Coach - Guy looking to move up from a low major head coaching job.
5) Current Non-D1 Head Coach - Guy looking to make the jump from the D2/D3/JUCO ranks. I know this is going to sound bad, but usually these guys are packaged with a star player coming with him so it is likely the most unlikely candidate.
Tre Williams is likely the most traditional center we've had under Lansing. Even though he is undersized, I don't think any of the guys we've had were better post players. He has better footwork, and has multiple post moves with his jump hook, his McHale up-and-under, and his reverse game. Also is a very solid interior passer. Rickman had no consistent moves, Murphy and Myles had what I like to call bull moves, Kitch played the 5 but was a stretch 4 really like Jake/Gant/RJ Mahurin. Kessinger was a SF/stretch 4 in AAU before his injury took away his speed. Isiah Martin was a defensive specialist slash energy guy. TJ Bell was inconsistent but could have been Tre-like had he dedicated himself. Demetrius Moore/Hunny bun were DNPs and Niels was a 3-point specialist.
That said, the traditional back-to-the-basket center has been a position that has been phased out of the game over the last 15 years when they started changing all of the defensive rules at the NBA-level to eliminate the Pat Riley play of the 90's. Today you could probably count the number of guys in the NBA on one hand that have legit back-to-the-basket games and a couple are getting ready to retire like Marc Gasol. Everyone is built as a stretch 5 where they can space the floor to have wide open movement and shooting. The good 5s in the NBA can shoot, pass, drive at the expense of that defense.
Any 4/5 guys we recruit, it is much better if they can be as close to a plus passer and shooter as possible. Any big with that unique skillset where they are unstoppable in the paint has no business being in this league and they are a rarity anymore anyhow. I read a great piece somewhere a couple years ago that outlined the death of the big man. If I can come across it again, I'll post it. Pace and space is where the game is today.
Here is some background on what I was mentioning:
www.theringer.com
I remember listening to a podcast several years ago with the Spurs RC Buford and he went into more detail about this and that is what the Spurs used to dominate and keep successful even as everyone aged. The Spurs would run the offense through Manu/TP over Duncan because they could attack, create chaos, and solid execution would get them good opportunities out of it.
This is what Drake looks like they're doing these days under DeVries.
You Can’t Stop NBA Offenses—and Now, You Can’t Even Hope to Contain Them
The league is entering the third wave of an offensive revolution that began nearly a decade and a half ago. And just like then, rule changes have made playing defense an untenable situation. Can teams adapt now like they did then?
www.theringer.com
I remember listening to a podcast several years ago with the Spurs RC Buford and he went into more detail about this and that is what the Spurs used to dominate and keep successful even as everyone aged. The Spurs would run the offense through Manu/TP over Duncan because they could attack, create chaos, and solid execution would get them good opportunities out of it.
This is what Drake looks like they're doing these days under DeVries.
That would be a fun and energetic hire and I'd LOVE it but reportedly he's turned down a few much bigger gigs. His personality would be a blast and excite the fanbase espically with the new look HC. Now with that said, one I doubt we'd even reach out to him and even less likely he would be interested.
Shrewsberry would be a great hire but you would always have to worry about him leaving for a bigger program or the NBA.
Just doing a quick search here is some possible targets...
1. Wes Miller, UNC Greensboro (age: 37)
Miller started his coaching career as an assistant at Elon in his mid-20s, and the No. 1 coach on our list hasn't looked back. After accepting the head-coaching job at UNC Greensboro as a 27-year-old, Miller emerged as one of the top young coaches in college basketball. Since the start of the 2016-17 season, Miller has amassed 104 wins in a stretch that includes the program's first NCAA tournament appearance in 17 years (2018).
2. Brian Michaelson, Gonzaga assistant (38)
Has been in the Gonzaga family since 2000, when he joined the basketball team as a walk-on. He returned to Mark Few's program in 2008 and eventually became an assistant coach under Few in 2013. Michaelson has quietly been a key part of the Bulldogs' recruiting success over the past several seasons, and he led the charge for 2020 guard Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga's highest-ranked recruit ever.
3. Gerry McNamara, Syracuse assistant (36)
An assistant to Jim Boeheim since 2011, McNamara has been on staff for 213 wins and six trips to the NCAA tournament. Oldsters still talk about how his 19-of-40 3-point shooting over four close games led the Orange to the 2006 Big East tournament title.
4. Kim English, Tennessee assistant (31)
Already in five seasons as an assistant, English has made stops at Tulsa, Colorado and, now, Tennessee.
5. Craig Smith, Utah State
Age: 46
Record: 107-62 (79-55 in four seasons at South Dakota; 28-7 in one season at Utah State), 1 NCAA Tournament appearance
Smith enjoyed success at South Dakota, winning 48 games during his final two seasons, which resulted in his hire at Utah State. But what he did last season with a team projected to finish near the bottom of the Mountain West was beyond impressive. Utah State went 28-7 (15-3 in league play) and swept the regular-season and league tourney titles. Smith has Sam Merrill and Neemias Queta back, and should have another strong season in Logan.
6. Ryan Odom, UMBC
Age: 45
Record: 75-48 (67-37 in 3 seasons at UMBC; 8-11 in 1 season at Charlotte), 1 NCAA Tournament appearance
He obviously pulled off the biggest upset in NCAA Tournament history two years ago when the Retrievers beat No. 1 seed Virginia in the first round, but he’s turned around the program and has also won at least 21 games in all three seasons at the helm. It would make sense that Odom would be in the mix at Wake with his father, Dave, a former coach with the Demon Deacons.
7. Chris Jans, New Mexico State
Age: 50
Record: 79-23 (21-12 in one season at Bowling Green; 58-11 in two seasons at New Mexico State), 2 NCAA Tournament appearances
He was fired after one season at Bowling Green, but it was due to an off-the-court issue. Jans can flat-out coach. He led Bowling Green to the CIT in his lone season, and has a 58-11 mark in two years in Las Cruces.
Just doing a quick search here is some possible targets...
1. Wes Miller, UNC Greensboro (age: 37)
Miller started his coaching career as an assistant at Elon in his mid-20s, and the No. 1 coach on our list hasn't looked back. After accepting the head-coaching job at UNC Greensboro as a 27-year-old, Miller emerged as one of the top young coaches in college basketball. Since the start of the 2016-17 season, Miller has amassed 104 wins in a stretch that includes the program's first NCAA tournament appearance in 17 years (2018).
2. Brian Michaelson, Gonzaga assistant (38)
Has been in the Gonzaga family since 2000, when he joined the basketball team as a walk-on. He returned to Mark Few's program in 2008 and eventually became an assistant coach under Few in 2013. Michaelson has quietly been a key part of the Bulldogs' recruiting success over the past several seasons, and he led the charge for 2020 guard Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga's highest-ranked recruit ever.
3. Gerry McNamara, Syracuse assistant (36)
An assistant to Jim Boeheim since 2011, McNamara has been on staff for 213 wins and six trips to the NCAA tournament. Oldsters still talk about how his 19-of-40 3-point shooting over four close games led the Orange to the 2006 Big East tournament title.
4. Kim English, Tennessee assistant (31)
Already in five seasons as an assistant, English has made stops at Tulsa, Colorado and, now, Tennessee.
5. Craig Smith, Utah State
Age: 46
Record: 107-62 (79-55 in four seasons at South Dakota; 28-7 in one season at Utah State), 1 NCAA Tournament appearance
Smith enjoyed success at South Dakota, winning 48 games during his final two seasons, which resulted in his hire at Utah State. But what he did last season with a team projected to finish near the bottom of the Mountain West was beyond impressive. Utah State went 28-7 (15-3 in league play) and swept the regular-season and league tourney titles. Smith has Sam Merrill and Neemias Queta back, and should have another strong season in Logan.
6. Ryan Odom, UMBC
Age: 45
Record: 75-48 (67-37 in 3 seasons at UMBC; 8-11 in 1 season at Charlotte), 1 NCAA Tournament appearance
He obviously pulled off the biggest upset in NCAA Tournament history two years ago when the Retrievers beat No. 1 seed Virginia in the first round, but he’s turned around the program and has also won at least 21 games in all three seasons at the helm. It would make sense that Odom would be in the mix at Wake with his father, Dave, a former coach with the Demon Deacons.
7. Chris Jans, New Mexico State
Age: 50
Record: 79-23 (21-12 in one season at Bowling Green; 58-11 in two seasons at New Mexico State), 2 NCAA Tournament appearances
He was fired after one season at Bowling Green, but it was due to an off-the-court issue. Jans can flat-out coach. He led Bowling Green to the CIT in his lone season, and has a 58-11 mark in two years in Las Cruces.
HOOPSFAN
The Varsity Level
Read Svoboda post yesterday 5:47 pm. He explains it well.
Note......Of the selections above.... they would all be taking a pay cut to be the ISU coach. GL is neat the bottom of the MVC coaches
with regard to pay. In addition, he raises 10 of thousands of dollars via his fund raising activities. Added to that.... the ISU marketing budget
and fan based contributions pale in comparison to other MVC schools.
Oh....did I mention.....we have a community that doesn't support it's teams very wel (high school or college)l. Many would rather stay home and watch
I.U. or Purdue on television/computer than watch a D1 MVC game in person. As for student support......1,000 seats are set aside for
students (no cost...as in free)....and they go largely unfilled.
The new coach (if there is one) has one hell of a job ahead of him (unless it is Becky Hammonds or Sue Bird)
By the way.....I grew up across the street from"Pop"....he ain't comin'!!!!
Go Sycamores......
with regard to pay. In addition, he raises 10 of thousands of dollars via his fund raising activities. Added to that.... the ISU marketing budget
and fan based contributions pale in comparison to other MVC schools.
Oh....did I mention.....we have a community that doesn't support it's teams very wel (high school or college)l. Many would rather stay home and watch
I.U. or Purdue on television/computer than watch a D1 MVC game in person. As for student support......1,000 seats are set aside for
students (no cost...as in free)....and they go largely unfilled.
The new coach (if there is one) has one hell of a job ahead of him (unless it is Becky Hammonds or Sue Bird)
By the way.....I grew up across the street from"Pop"....he ain't comin'!!!!
Go Sycamores......
I guess it could happen.
the sun could explode tomorrow too. Who knows.
Most coaches who are division 1 who make below Lansing are coaches from leagues like the SWAC or other HBCU leagues. Doubt too many apply to coach here.
There are other coaches who make less than Lansing but it is only by a small amount. Most coaches aren’t going to uproot their whole family and move for 10-20k more a year, especially if they are doing well at their current school and in line for a long term deal and/or raise.
Unless of course the school greatly expands the pay package for any future coach, and then all bets are off. But considering how strong our fundraising is, I would not expect any future coaches to make considerably more than what GL makes.
If we get a new coach next year, think Div I assistant.
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Tim Miles is a South Dakota guy, I know people who know him, I'll reach out and gauge his interest, like I'd have any shot of convincing him to come resurrect our flailing program.
HOOPSFAN
The Varsity Level
Lansing is an Iowa, South Dakota guy ....... think we should not go back to that well again?
Tommy33624
The White Level
I think we are all in agreement that Lansing is out at the end of the year. Is there anyone here that thinks he should come back? He is a good recruiter, but like others have mentioned the players do their best (seemingly) their Freshman year and then get worse as the age into the program, which is the exact opposite of what makes the MVC great. Players are there for 4-5 years and get better. Do something for change's sake sometimes. Do something different and unexpected with the coaching hire. We can hire someone interesting that may not be able to quote lines from Hoosiers, but maybe they can motivate players to play better, play smarter, work harder and improve. None of those 4 is currently happening, which is a direct indictment of the Coach. The offense is slow, boring, and uncreative. I'd say old-fashioned also, but I'll take any offense that can actually get people open for a few high-percentage layups. Does anyone look forward to watching the next game and expect something new to happen? No. The contract is mercifully up this season.