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The Kleuh Level
Reminds me of Wiley HS '64, ISU '72 grad FRANK MIKLOZEK,Jr...a long-term Sycamore Club contributor who lives S. of Riley off of Hwy 159.
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Given the above ....and what we've seen so far on the court ..... how is it that every year ......every year I read on this site near the end of a season/summer how next year will be different "with the guys we have coming in"
And yet, with "the guys that came in" we're pretty much the same. Year in --- year out
I know very little about the guys we get before they start playing for ISU -- don't follow high school players anymore, let alone guys from some Div II school out east.
I know those of you making these claims are trying to be positive, but apparently you're not any more knowledgable than me .....go figure ???
Stop. We're not talking about Marty Simmons and Evansville compared to Indiana State. We're simply not going to have that conversation on here. I'm defending anyone or anything - I'm just not going to sit here and listen to people talk about Marty Simmons and Evansville. That program is as close to any in D1 to cutting basketball all together. So enough of that.
Excuse me. Why not talk about it? They literally spend more on their basketball program and their coach than we do. They seem to be tired of the mediocrity unlike us. McCarty put them in a tough spot last season, but it looks like they still might end up being better than us this season.
Furthermore... Saying Indiana State doesn't have the resources/budget/cash to compete with other MVC schools will apply no matter what coaches name you plug in here. Saying that coach ___________ isn't only to blame because of resources isn't really intended to be an excuse for a coach to not preform. In addition (and really speaking only for myself now) - me saying that coach Lansing has good donor and alumni support as a reason it will be hard to fire him. That is just a fact - maybe not a fact that some people understand or care about but it's simply a fact.
But again, some of these things are really more adding to the conversation than making excuses or defending Lansing. I just don't read any of the conversation here as people coming to Lansing's defense - how can anyone defend this roster makeup?? Don't confuse people looking at bigger picture issues going on or other external factors as excuses - that is not fair to anyone on here. For the most part this is a reasonable group of people that visit this forum.
Baseball program has no problem winning with low pay..
The problem is that ISU has accepted mediocrity for so long that it has even rubbed off on some of the fans. No one is asking for a national championship, but I don't think expecting to compete (not even win) for a conference championship (reg or StL) once in a while is too much to ask for. It's been 7 seasons since we competed for a regular season title and since then we get ran out of the Enterprise Center with blowout losses.
I used to defend Lansing, but it's the same nonsense and patterns year after year. I wasn't even excited for the season this year. Competing for 6th place every year just so we can lose by 30 in St Louis is not fun.
We're all aware of our budget issues, and while it may be an obstacle there are plenty of successful mid major programs that spend less than us on hoops. And the problems most of us are complaining about have nothing to do with the basketball budget.
For what it's worth I'm cautiously optimistic that if we move on from Lansing we will find a way to increase the basketball budget just like we found a way to increase the football budget. Paying two coaches at once would have been stupid, but I think we've been in a lame duck mode ever since they cut off the rolling contract. No one is going to throw a ton of money into a program with a coach they don't have confidence in.
The problem is that ISU has accepted mediocrity for so long that it has even rubbed off on some of the fans. No one is asking for a national championship, but I don't think expecting to compete (not even win) for a conference championship (reg or StL) once in a while is too much to ask for. It's been 7 seasons since we competed for a regular season title and since then we get ran out of the Enterprise Center with blowout losses.
I used to defend Lansing, but it's the same nonsense and patterns year after year. I wasn't even excited for the season this year. Competing for 6th place every year just so we can lose by 30 in St Louis is not fun.
We're all aware of our budget issues, and while it may be an obstacle there are plenty of successful mid major programs that spend less than us on hoops. And the problems most of us are complaining about have nothing to do with the basketball budget.
For what it's worth I'm cautiously optimistic that if we move on from Lansing we will find a way to increase the basketball budget just like we found a way to increase the football budget. Paying two coaches at once would have been stupid, but I think we've been in a lame duck mode ever since they cut off the rolling contract. No one is going to throw a ton of money into a program with a coach they don't have confidence in.
Not to mention when Marty was winning 20 games a season he was scheduling every 300+ RPI team he could find.
Go find me the mid major program that is in the bottom of their conference in funding their basketball program AND consistently wins at a high level. My guess is you won't find one. But if you do, THAT is the coach we need to hire.