Did ISU have a Revival?

[OX 92]

I visited the Indiana State University WIKI site today. It has Jerry Falwell Jr as the President. Or have I been in a coma and owe everyone an apology. I will try and cut and paste


Indiana State University

Former names Indiana State Normal School
Indiana State Teachers College
Indiana State College
Type Public

Established 1865 (details)

Endowment
$56.5 million[1]

President
Jerry Falwell Jr.[2]

Academic staff 674[3]

Students 12,531[4]

Undergraduates
10,288+
Postgraduates
2,243+
Location Terre Haute, Indiana, U.S.

Campus small city: 435 acres (1.76 km2)
Colors
Sycamore blue and white

Athletics Sycamores

Affiliations NCA, AASC, AACSB, NCAA Division I – MVC

Mascot Sycamore Sam
Website www.indstate.edu

 

[Jason Svoboda]

This Liberty kids sure now how to party.

 

[niklz62]

This Liberty kids sure now how to party.

but only in pairs. anymore than 2 and nobody will drink

 

[4Q_iu]

I visited the Indiana State University WIKI site today. It has Jerry Falwell Jr as the President. Or have I been in a coma and owe everyone an apology. I will try and cut and paste


Indiana State University

Former names Indiana State Normal School
Indiana State Teachers College
Indiana State College
Type Public

Established 1865 (details)

Endowment $56.5 million

President Jerry Falwell Jr.

Academic staff 674

Students 12,531

Undergraduates 10,288+
Postgraduates 2,243+
Location Terre Haute, Indiana, U.S.

Campus small city: 435 acres (1.76 km2)
Colors Sycamore blue and white

Athletics Sycamores

Affiliations NCA, AASC, AACSB, NCAA Division I – MVC

Mascot Sycamore Sam
Website www.indstate.edu

Typical college knuckle-heads...

If you notice the Liberty wiki site; its' "protected"... i.e. only a select few can edit the Liberty wiki page...

I'd suspect that Liberty does that because:

1) it allows them to trash other sites WITHOUT the naturally-occuring repurcussions
2) some non-fans of the Falwells likely "tweak" the Liberty site


The great thing about wiki sites... anyone can add, edit, delete information on the sites...

The BAD thing about wiki sites... ANYONE can add, edit, delete information on the sites...

 

[niklz62]

Typical college knuckle-heads...

If you notice the Liberty wiki site; its' "protected"... i.e. only a select few can edit the Liberty wiki page...

I'd suspect that Liberty does that because:

1) it allows them to trash other sites WITHOUT the naturally-occuring repurcussions
2) some non-fans of the Falwells likely "tweak" the Liberty site


The great thing about wiki sites... anyone can add, edit, delete information on the sites...

The BAD thing about wiki sites... ANYONE can add, edit, delete information on the sites...

id say its more 2 than 1. i suspect they would rather their fans/supporters/students not do that. Liberty has beliefs that make it easy for a lot of people to hate them.

 

[sycamore tuff]

id say its more 2 than 1. i suspect they would rather their fans/supporters/students not do that. Liberty has beliefs that make it easy for a lot of people to hate them.

What are these beliefs? I hear a lot of trashing of liberty but it's just generalities like you just made.

 

[niklz62]

What are these beliefs? I hear a lot of trashing of liberty but it's just generalities like you just made.

Im assuming that you are assuming I have a negative opinion about their beliefs such as fundamental Christianity and teaching creationism. Im saying those views are easy to hate for the vast majority of universities and the people associated with them (students/professors).

let me be clear....I hate every school that we play until we play them and then afterward if we lose. I also hate a majority of the ones we dont play.

 

[sycamore tuff]

The only thing I was assuming was that you could give me a precise answer.

 

[niklz62]

The only thing I was assuming was that you could give me a precise answer.

Im not trying to be contrarian. The way their administration has run the school and their beliefs (being conservative Christians) is enough to draw the hatred of your average person associated with other universities who almost exclusively lean left into the liberal/social justice world. ive seen it just on the any given saturday board. They have blamed the beliefs of their founders as the reason why no conference would invite them to FBS. in actuality every one of those schools knows that when it comes down to it, there is no way they could compete financially with a school that has 15000 resident students and over 100,000 online students and no tie to state funding.

 

[4Q_iu]

Im not trying to be contrarian. The way their administration has run the school and their beliefs (being conservative Christians) is enough to draw the hatred of your average person associated with other universities who almost exclusively lean left into the liberal/social justice world. ive seen it just on the any given saturday board. They have blamed the beliefs of their founders as the reason why no conference would invite them to FBS. in actuality every one of those schools knows that when it comes down to it, there is no way they could compete financially with a school that has 15000 resident students and over 100,000 online students and no tie to state funding.

Are you implying that Liberty is "forced" to be an FBS independent because the rest of the FBS schools are "afraid" of Liberty's resources?

Kind of hard to believe... I can see some of their regional peers not wanting them to be a conference member b/c the various school profiles, missions aren't compatible...

 

[sycamore tuff]

I think I understand you now NIKLZ. I think I probably agree with you too. I'm not sure that the reasons people give for not wanting them in a conference are legitimate. When it comes down to it schools align with each other for sports marketing and most of that has to do with how successful you can be on the field or court.

 

[niklz62]

It just seems like if they raised a $100 per semester fee they could raise their athletic budget by $23,000,000. Could anyone in the C-USA or Sun Belt do that?

Ga Southern did that as a way to move up to the Sun Belt and they were still going to have a low budget comparatively.

 

[Westbadenboy]

I certainly don't know what exactly is the situation with Liberty and their difficulty in getting into a FBS conference. Personally I'm probably a cross between some of their views and those of those liberal leftys. All that aside, its pretty easy to see why even if you throw whatever those concerns out conferences are keenly aware of the $$$$$$$ and the emotional support that school has.
If you watched our game with them on TV this was overwhelming. Not certain how each portion of the telecast was from the conference tv "network" and what was Liberty produced -- most seemed Liberty produced to me.
It was so professional high level ---- the three commentators discussing --- the game announcers ----- pre & post game coverage --- the stadium as it exists now (not mention the expansion plans) ---- the whole presentation ---- the crowd support ---- did you notice the crowd noise pickup .....actually sounded like a college football crowd really into the game (our radio & tv coverage often sounds like a few hundred people at a high school game).
Compare the whole thing to "The Valley on ESPN3" ............different universe !
So like them or hate them -- to me their support and the money behind them -- which could very well grow and grow --- would likely intimidate almost any league; especially when many of those lower level FBS schools struggle with support and $$$$$$.

 

[niklz62]

I certainly don't know what exactly is the situation with Liberty and their difficulty in getting into a FBS conference. Personally I'm probably a cross between some of their views and those of those liberal leftys. All that aside, its pretty easy to see why even if you throw whatever those concerns out conferences are keenly aware of the $$$$$$$ and the emotional support that school has.
If you watched our game with them on TV this was overwhelming. Not certain how each portion of the telecast was from the conference tv "network" and what was Liberty produced -- most seemed Liberty produced to me.
It was so professional high level ---- the three commentators discussing --- the game announcers ----- pre & post game coverage --- the stadium as it exists now (not mention the expansion plans) ---- the whole presentation ---- the crowd support ---- did you notice the crowd noise pickup .....actually sounded like a college football crowd really into the game (our radio & tv coverage often sounds like a few hundred people at a high school game).
Compare the whole thing to "The Valley on ESPN3" ............different universe !
So like them or hate them -- to me their support and the money behind them -- which could very well grow and grow --- would likely intimidate almost any league; especially when many of those lower level FBS schools struggle with support and $$$$$$.

I thought I read on their message board that they pumped in noise. I might have made that up but I agree with most of what you said.