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sycamore fan said:
More baseless mumbo-jumbo...There are as many large high schools as there are small high schools...the classes are divided into 4 equal units. So how did the equal number of "SMALL/TINY/MICRO HS Principals, ADs and Coaches" manipulate the vote into the overwhelming decision?
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It is called IHSAA board of directors and the executive committee that is made up of members from the board of directors.
 

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Scores from November 12 at Tip-Off Classic.

Game 5: South Vermillion 62, North Central 31

Game 6: West Vigo 38, Northview 33
 
Terre Haute South 49, Owen Valley 25

Greencastle 52, Terre Haute North 37

West Vigo 18, South Vermillion 14, 3Q
 
West Vigo 40, South Vermillion 25

Consolation: Owen Valley vs. Terre Haute North 6:30

Championship: Terre Haute South vs. Greencastle 8pm
 

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Scores from Tuesday November 16
Bloomington South 48, Terre Haute South 39
West Vigo 54, White River Valley 19
Bloomington North 42, Terre Haute North 27
Turkey Run 58, Crawfordsville 32
Riverton Parke 36, Northview 26

 
SycamoreFan317 said:
4Q I tried to tell him this earlier in this thread and he just blew it off as he is now, but you are correct.
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Give me the weekend to research and crunch numbers; I have copies of the final vote; by school and their 1998 class placement.

No learned Indiana HS Basketball fan should be surprised.

Not sure why someone mentioned the NCAA, that's kind of irrelevant :krazy:
 

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We argue this constantly, but love it or hate it class basketball facts are out there. Attendance is down over 75%. The IHSAA has not sold out the state finals consistently and as a generalized statement, communities just don't care as much as they used to about HS basketball. You can say that "in your town" or "at my high school" basketball is still popular and we sell out, or we would have a full house. But regardless of all that, HS basketball in Indiana was ruined with the creation of Class basketball in my estimation. I killed most local rivalries, it created idiotic drives for schools to have to make, it disinterested most fans, it frustrated and ultimately lead to national networks such as ESPN not carrying the state finals as they did for many years, it has lead to an amazing shortfall in funds within athletic deptments at many schools (because they are not selling tickets and merch).

You can argue that it is more fair, you can argue that is ideal, etc. etc. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! Class basketball sucks! It always will! Just like Class Football sucks and Class anything else sucks! It is a result of the over concern of HS administrators to be concerned about feelings and emotional matters, rather than understanding that a school like Western Boone playing a school like Ben Davis teaches a great deal of to both schools. If WEBO gets their butt kicked the players learn a lesson...if WEBO wins the Giants of BD learn something. But either way, the experience is valid and important to development. This is not to say that if WEBO only played similar sized schools they woudn't learn the same lesson, but IMHO it isn't the same lesson. In other words, sometimes the big guy needs to kick the little guys ass so the little guy learns a lesson and sometimes the big guy needs to get their ass kicked by the little guy. Basketball allows that to happen (at least it did back when it was allowed to happen that way). Now it doesn't...because only similar sized schools play each other. It makes it boring!!

Going out on a limb here but isn't it a Communist concept to make sure that everythign is fair and even? Life isn't fair or even, yet we want to teach our kids through sports that things are fair and even? Utterly ridiculous! The concept of parody for HS's is beyond stupid. There is no such thing as parody. THE IHSAA is a political organization by design and they politically created somethign that they know is causing them problems and is not the best things for the student athletes, the fans and the sport itself...but they are too busy listening to supposed "studies" and propoganda about the effects of everything from the internet to a student reading Harry Potter books...waste of time and effort. here is the reality, student athelets playing in a dog eat dog, best team is the champion tournament teaches a much, much more important life lesson than simply printing 4 state champ trophies does. Current national adminstration's answer to everything is to print more money and look where we are now....IHSAA's answer to everything....make more trophies and forget about history, forget about the importance of tradition, blow off the important lessons that can be learned by watering down those lessons, and so many other issues. If you hadn't figured it out yet...I HATE CLASS BASKETBALL!!

CLASS BASKETBALL SUCKS!!!! IT WILL ALWAYS SUCK!!!
 
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Sackalot said:
We argue this constantly, but love it or hate it class basketball facts are out there. Attendance is down over 75%. The IHSAA has not sold out the state finals consistently and as a generalized statement, communities just don't care as much as they used to about HS basketball. You can say that "in your town" or "at my high school" basketball is still popular and we sell out, or we would have a full house. But regardless of all that, HS basketball in Indiana was ruined with the creation of Class basketball in my estimation. I killed most local rivalries, it created idiotic drives for schools to have to make, it disinterested most fans, it frustrated and ultimately lead to national networks such as ESPN not carrying the state finals as they did for many years, it has lead to an amazing shortfall in funds within athletic deptments at many schools (because they are not selling tickets and merch).

You can argue that it is more fair, you can argue that is ideal, etc. etc. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! Class basketball sucks! It always will! Just like Class Football sucks and Class anything else sucks! It is a result of the over concern of HS administrators to be concerned about feelings and emotional matters, rather than understanding that a school like Western Boone playing a school like Ben Davis teaches a great deal of to both schools. If WEBO gets their butt kicked the players learn a lesson...if WEBO wins the Giants of BD learn something. But either way, the experience is valid and important to development. This is not to say that if WEBO only played similar sized schools they woudn't learn the same lesson, but IMHO it isn't the same lesson. In other words, sometimes the big guy needs to kick the little guys ass so the little guy learns a lesson and sometimes the big guy needs to get their ass kicked by the little guy. Basketball allows that to happen (at least it did back when it was allowed to happen that way). Now it doesn't...because only similar sized schools play each other. It makes it boring!!

Going out on a limb here but isn't it a Communist concept to make sure that everythign is fair and even? Life isn't fair or even, yet we want to teach our kids through sports that things are fair and even? Utterly ridiculous! The concept of parody for HS's is beyond stupid. There is no such thing as parody. THE IHSAA is a political organization by design and they politically created somethign that they know is causing them problems and is not the best things for the student athletes, the fans and the sport itself...but they are too busy listening to supposed "studies" and propoganda about the effects of everything from the internet to a student reading Harry Potter books...waste of time and effort. here is the reality, student athelets playing in a dog eat dog, best team is the champion tournament teaches a much, much more important life lesson than simply printing 4 state champ trophies does. Current national adminstration's answer to everything is to print more money and look where we are now....IHSAA's answer to everything....make more trophies and forget about history, forget about the importance of tradition, blow off the important lessons that can be learned by watering down those lessons, and so many other issues. If you hadn't figured it out yet...I HATE CLASS BASKETBALL!!

CLASS BASKETBALL SUCKS!!!! IT WILL ALWAYS SUCK!!!
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In 1973, the Indiana High School Athletic Association (IHSAA) established a three class state playoff system in football. In 1983, the tournament split into four classes, in 1985 into the current five class system, with 5A for big schools and 1A for the smallest schools.

Are 5 classes too many?? Probably; football should be in classes. The rest of the sports?! Absolutely NOT!
 
Anybody going to the Jamboree tonight at Terre Haute South?

Teams: Terre Haute North, Terre Haute South, West Vigo, and South Vermillion

It starts at 7pm tonight at Terre Haute South High School. I will be there to support my Vikings, and Justin Gant.
 
4Q_iu said:
In 1973, the Indiana High School Athletic Association (IHSAA) established a three class state playoff system in football. In 1983, the tournament split into four classes, in 1985 into the current five class system, with 5A for big schools and 1A for the smallest schools.

Are 5 classes too many?? Probably; football should be in classes. The rest of the sports?! Absolutely NOT!
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I understand the arguement for class football more than anything...but still, I am not a fan of class anything. It sends the wrong message...just like youth soccer where there is no winner sends the wrong message to kids. (I realize that is apples to oranges comparison but still similar points).
 
Sackalot said:
I understand the arguement for class football more than anything...but still, I am not a fan of class anything. It sends the wrong message...just like youth soccer where there is no winner sends the wrong message to kids. (I realize that is apples to oranges comparison but still similar points).
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Football is the only one that makes sense, then and now.

To me, the question is why 5 and not 4 like everything else (except soccer...)

More interestingly; when the vote was taken, there were some that advocated all sports in classes EXCEPT Basketball...

As the GOAL was to CLASSIFY Basketball, no one was interested in the other sports.
 

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Scores from tonight's jamboree:

1st Quarter: Terre Haute North 24, South Vermillion 6

2nd Quarter: Terre Haute South 19, West Vigo 8

3rd Quarter: Terre Haute South 17, Terre Haute North 11

4th Quarter: West Vigo 15, South Vermillion 11
 
Sackalot said:
I understand the arguement for class football more than anything...but still, I am not a fan of class anything. It sends the wrong message...just like youth soccer where there is no winner sends the wrong message to kids. (I realize that is apples to oranges comparison but still similar points).
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How does it send the wrong message? You win a state championship in Class A does it not mean anything to you? It isn't like there are 25 different classes for basketball.
 
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