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School consolidation has had some influence on rivalries also, IMHO. The county I went to in high school had 10 schools during my Jr. high school days.
By my Sophomore year there were only three.

Remember the Wabash Valley Tournament? There were hundreds of schools from IN and IL as participants. I believe it was recognized as the second largest tournament in the U.S..

Just my thoughts that class competition is not the sole cause for fan interest and attendance.

Sidenote: I sat in Butler Fieldhouse as a not quite 10 yr. old and watched my Montezuma Aztecs lose to Milam and Bobby Plump. I've detested the stall strategy ever since as that is what Milam employed in the 4th quarter.
Second game was Crispus Attucks(Oscar Robertson) v.s. Muncie Central(Ron Bonham). http://www.sycamorehoops.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
If the Aztecs would have beaten Milan, would it have been Montezuma's revenge? (sorry I couldn't resist)!
 

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Uh, so. They're good.

what about no permits for athletic reasons or are there fake addresses being used. if they are playing against no one how good are they really. do they just steal the ball and run or can they play? sadly we'll never know but they will get some practice for aau.

parents can be crazy.
 
I saw in the newspaper today a score in girl's high school bball
Vincennes Rivet 82
Shakamak 11 with having a quarter of not even scoring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am worried about my Wildcats of Mount Vernon being pretty terrible...The coaching Carousel continues there...
 
North has very good athletes on the girls squad. They will most definitely win more than 3 games. They play the West Vigo girls who are like 19-120 in the last 6 seasons. DeGroote said we should get rid of all girls sports out here, because none of them are any good except for softball.
 

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Hoosier Hysteria was in critical condition before class basketball. As with most generalizations, there will be a few exceptions to this statement. But statewide basketball was decreasing in interest before the introduction of class basketball. Reasons for this?? I believe there are many: more kids having more money, more widespread interests and ease of transportation to follow there interests, and finally the increased popularity of high school football--especially with adults on limited income. I base my position on my observations of high school sports over the last 50+ years. You can not like class basketball; to blame it as the sole cause of the decline of Hoosier Hysteria is simply ridiculous.
 
North has very good athletes on the girls squad. They will most definitely win more than 3 games. They play the West Vigo girls who are like 19-120 in the last 6 seasons. DeGroote said we should get rid of all girls sports out here, because none of them are any good except for softball.

Looking at their schedule they have 3 possible wins. Northview, West Vigo, and South Vermillion. I think Northview is better, WV is improved, they will beat SV. They also have a chance to run into some weaker teams in this. weekends Tip-off classic. They will not win a conference game. I hope I'm wrong as a North almost, but I will stick to my 3 win prediction.
 
As far as David vs Goliath, last night in girls basketball it was Turkey Run 52 and Terre Haute North 19........ouch!

Went to this game last night and it wasn't even really this close. North was down 43-9 at the end of 3 and still played their rotation of 8 in the 4th while Turkey Run played their JV players and a few bench players in the 4th.
 
Doesn't North play Riverton Parke?

No. Not in boys or girls. Only way they would play in boys Varsity would be at Pizza Hut. And after seeing North play last night Im not so sure they would want to play Riverton Parke's girls this year. They will be pretty good.
 
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You forgot the benign neglect of the Indianapolis Star in regards to High School basketball. With the advent of professional sports in Indianapolis, the Star has 4-5 pages covering the NFL and NBA and no longer covers the state beyond the "donut counties." This has more to do with the demise of our "treasured tournament" than many of the other reasons. The Star wonders why the Indiana/Kentucky All-Star game has declined. Look in the mirror Indianapolis Star!
 
You forgot the benign neglect of the Indianapolis Star in regards to High School basketball. With the advent of professional sports in Indianapolis, the Star has 4-5 pages covering the NFL and NBA and no longer covers the state beyond the "donut counties." This has more to do with the demise of our "treasured tournament" than many of the other reasons. The Star wonders why the Indiana/Kentucky All-Star game has declined. Look in the mirror Indianapolis Star!

True! And high school coverage is better than college coverage except for the privileged biggies.
 
Looking at their schedule they have 3 possible wins. Northview, West Vigo, and South Vermillion. I think Northview is better, WV is improved, they will beat SV. They also have a chance to run into some weaker teams in this. weekends Tip-off classic. They will not win a conference game. I hope I'm wrong as a North almost, but I will stick to my 3 win prediction.

i think they played without a couple starters
 
i think they played without a couple starters

That's true, they did. I'm still giving them 3 wins. Maybe 4 because they may get West Vigo twice. If both teams lose tonight, they will play in this tournament. Although, South Vermillion played TH South much better than I expected. I know they lost by like 40, but South's pretty good and that game has been uglier in the past.
 
What message are you sending the students with 300 enrollment. Is it "You can not compete so we are not going to try?" Life is not that way, colleges do not care if they are from an enrollment of 300 or 4000 neither do employers. Winning is not everything, learning to give the maximum when the challenge seems impossible is just, if not, more important. All class basketball has done is too widen the level of play between the classes and (2) most 4A schools will no longer schedule 1A schools because they have nothing to gain.This ends up hurting the athletes from the 1A schools because they do not get challenged to the maximum and most colleges want to see players against top flight competition this is why recruiting now revolves around AAU, especially for 1A players.

That's funny...most of the teams on our schedule are from classes larger than ours. I hope you don't tell them to stop scheduling us. High school AD's want to play teams who bring in big crowds. The small schools outdraw the big schools around here.

To be honest colleges don't give a rip about high school basketball. They come to support kids after they've already found them on the AAU scene.

Class basketball didn't change anything except the end of the year tourney. Most forget that interest was dying long before we made the change. If there was really a huge push to go back to the old days, we would have done it. There isn't and we haven't.
 

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That's funny...most of the teams on our schedule are from classes larger than ours. I hope you don't tell them to stop scheduling us. High school AD's want to play teams who bring in big crowds. The small schools outdraw the big schools around here.

To be honest colleges don't give a rip about high school basketball. They come to support kids after they've already found them on the AAU scene.

Class basketball didn't change anything except the end of the year tourney. Most forget that interest was dying long before we made the change. If there was really a huge push to go back to the old days, we would have done it. There isn't and we haven't.

If a 1A or 2A has a competitive program then the 3A or 4A programs will schedule them. Some conferences have a wide range enrollment wise and the schools have to schedule one another. If you think I am wrong just go to John Harold's website and look at the 4A schedule and see how many of them schedule 1A or 2A teams on a regular basis.

I agree that in this day and age colleges scout AAU more now than they use too and class basketball is a big reason why. Back before class basketball AAU barely existed and colleges scouted the high school games because there were no alternatives and the kids from 1A or 2A schools got to play the better competition, now those kids have to play AAU in order to get noticed the kids from the 4A programs will be noticed anyway. The push to go to class basketball started in the early 1980's by the small schools and it took them until they could get enough principals on the board at the IHSAA to get it passed. There has been a push to go back but the small schools have the votes to block it.

I do not contend that class basketball has ruined the tournament but I do think it has changed Hoosier Hysteria and not for the better as a whole. The level of play between 4A and 1A has gotten more noticeable as the years go by. I believe it sends the wrong message to the students of the small schools that they are not capable of competing against the bigger schools that somehow the kid from Ben Davis is better than them just because they have Ben Davis across their chest, this is hogwash. Life is not about winning all of the time it is also about learning to deal with frustration of no matter how hard you try, it just is not good enough. Last of all if and AD is scheduling teams just for the gate, and no other reason, then that AD is guilty of exploiting the students and should be fired. There are better ways for schools to make money.
 
Take a look at the North girls, they are starting to schedule Turkey Run every year now that Turkey Run is a distinguished 1A power in girls basketball. It also gives North a measuring stick on where they are at. It doesn't look good for North getting beat by a 1A school, especially when they begin the state tournament.
 
i think high schools with 4,500 students didn't exist in the distant haze of the past of Milan's glory years
 
Take a look at the North girls, they are starting to schedule Turkey Run every year now that Turkey Run is a distinguished 1A power in girls basketball. It also gives North a measuring stick on where they are at. It doesn't look good for North getting beat by a 1A school, especially when they begin the state tournament.

counting this year, they have played them 11 straight years (and maybe more)
 
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