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True Blue:

Very interesting observations regarding Reed. Do you really think he will be throwing in the "88-90" mph range this year? I saw him at the Sectional last year against Northview (I think), and the scouts said he was topping out at 83. A 5 mph increase would be quite a bit, don't you think?
 
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True Blue:

Very interesting observations regarding Reed. Do you really think he will be throwing in the "88-90" mph range this year? I saw him at the Sectional last year against Northview (I think), and the scouts said he was topping out at 83. A 5 mph increase would be quite a bit, don't you think?
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He was on 3 days rest coming back from arm injury against Northview. I sat by a scout at the legion Great Lakes Regional and he was 86-87 on 3 days rest after throwing countless complete games the whole month. Also saw a scout at one of his high school games have him 89 a couple times with a weeks rest. If he can have a solid, injury free offseason I don't see why not. Of course there are different readings on different guns. Personally I think he's overworked as far as pitch counts, but that's just my opinion.
 
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Does he get over worked during the high school season, or the Legion season? And what have been his pitch counts? You know, there are only so many pitches in an arm.
 
SycamoreFBGM said:
How does it send the wrong message? You win a state championship in Class A does it not mean anything to you? It isn't like there are 25 different classes for basketball.
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A class basketball championship means nothing to me. Well it means that your team is one of the 4 best teams in the state and that your team is good enough to beat "that" team but not "THAT" team. I don't care if there are 2 or 4 or 10, there is no true basketball champ anymore in Indiana and it is a travesty!

My home town of Brownsburg won the state title in 2008 with Gordon Hayward playing. First question I asked was could they have beaten Washington HS, or Trtion or Fort Wayne Luers? The answer I got was probably not from most in the town that had any real knowledge or understanding (considering that they barely won on a last second shot anyway). That of course is arguable, but regardless that isn't the point. The point is that HS basketball no longer is about basketball, it is about administrators, it isn't about the kids its about the trophies, it isn't about sectionals or regionals, its only about a state title. Used to be a HUGE deal to win a sectional, no longer the case...your season isn't a good one unless you go beyond regoinals to semi state. All this change did was escalate the expectations. Parody does nothing but waterdown the product. In this case it waters down the competition and the attendance numbers reflect the fact that the competition has been watered down.

So in conclusion, a class basketball state title isn't a state title to me. It is the equivlency of making it to the final four and then not even playing the championships at all. (That is the best way I can explain my opinion, though I don't think it even ranks that high, because the outcomes would significantly different if the tournament was how it should be).
 

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AJ Reed had surgery this offseason on his left knee. He told me it was his patella or something like that. But, he said he would be ready to go by January.
 
Sackalot said:
A class basketball championship means nothing to me. Well it means that your team is one of the 4 best teams in the state and that your team is good enough to beat "that" team but not "THAT" team. I don't care if there are 2 or 4 or 10, there is no true basketball champ anymore in Indiana and it is a travesty!

My home town of Brownsburg won the state title in 2008 with Gordon Hayward playing. First question I asked was could they have beaten Washington HS, or Trtion or Fort Wayne Luers? The answer I got was probably not from most in the town that had any real knowledge or understanding (considering that they barely won on a last second shot anyway). That of course is arguable, but regardless that isn't the point. The point is that HS basketball no longer is about basketball, it is about administrators, it isn't about the kids its about the trophies, it isn't about sectionals or regionals, its only about a state title. Used to be a HUGE deal to win a sectional, no longer the case...your season isn't a good one unless you go beyond regoinals to semi state. All this change did was escalate the expectations. Parody does nothing but waterdown the product. In this case it waters down the competition and the attendance numbers reflect the fact that the competition has been watered down.

So in conclusion, a class basketball state title isn't a state title to me. It is the equivlency of making it to the final four and then not even playing the championships at all. (That is the best way I can explain my opinion, though I don't think it even ranks that high, because the outcomes would significantly different if the tournament was how it should be).
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Here's an idea for you. Figure out how many high schools are in Indiana. Then, have a class for each school. At the end of the season, each school will have won a state championship!!! Then, have a Tournament of Champions!!! It's a win-win...:wordyo:
 
IndyTreeFan said:
Here's an idea for you. Figure out how many high schools are in Indiana. Then, have a class for each school. At the end of the season, each school will have won a state championship!!! Then, have a Tournament of Champions!!! It's a win-win...:wordyo:
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Hmmmm --- sounds suspiciously like the IHSAA tournament from 1911-1997...
 

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Sackalot said:
A class basketball championship means nothing to me. Well it means that your team is one of the 4 best teams in the state and that your team is good enough to beat "that" team but not "THAT" team. I don't care if there are 2 or 4 or 10, there is no true basketball champ anymore in Indiana and it is a travesty!

My home town of Brownsburg won the state title in 2008 with Gordon Hayward playing. First question I asked was could they have beaten Washington HS, or Trtion or Fort Wayne Luers? The answer I got was probably not from most in the town that had any real knowledge or understanding (considering that they barely won on a last second shot anyway). That of course is arguable, but regardless that isn't the point. The point is that HS basketball no longer is about basketball, it is about administrators, it isn't about the kids its about the trophies, it isn't about sectionals or regionals, its only about a state title. Used to be a HUGE deal to win a sectional, no longer the case...your season isn't a good one unless you go beyond regoinals to semi state. All this change did was escalate the expectations. Parody does nothing but waterdown the product. In this case it waters down the competition and the attendance numbers reflect the fact that the competition has been watered down.

So in conclusion, a class basketball state title isn't a state title to me. It is the equivlency of making it to the final four and then not even playing the championships at all. (That is the best way I can explain my opinion, though I don't think it even ranks that high, because the outcomes would significantly different if the tournament was how it should be).
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Hogwash!
 
LOL...I am sorry but any person who says that the IHSAA is just crazy for implementing a class system...you should understand how difficult of a feeling it is as a player to face a school with MORE MONEY, Bigger players, higher paid everything but then say, it's only fair to say they are better than them because they beat that they were outmatched for...I am sorry but I nor the IHSAA shouldn't give a rat's patootie about what the fans care about...it's about the kids...
 
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Sackalot said:
A class basketball championship means nothing to me. Well it means that your team is one of the 4 best teams in the state and that your team is good enough to beat "that" team but not "THAT" team. I don't care if there are 2 or 4 or 10, there is no true basketball champ anymore in Indiana and it is a travesty!

My home town of Brownsburg won the state title in 2008 with Gordon Hayward playing. First question I asked was could they have beaten Washington HS, or Trtion or Fort Wayne Luers? The answer I got was probably not from most in the town that had any real knowledge or understanding (considering that they barely won on a last second shot anyway). That of course is arguable, but regardless that isn't the point. The point is that HS basketball no longer is about basketball, it is about administrators, it isn't about the kids its about the trophies, it isn't about sectionals or regionals, its only about a state title. Used to be a HUGE deal to win a sectional, no longer the case...your season isn't a good one unless you go beyond regoinals to semi state. All this change did was escalate the expectations. Parody does nothing but waterdown the product. In this case it waters down the competition and the attendance numbers reflect the fact that the competition has been watered down.

So in conclusion, a class basketball state title isn't a state title to me. It is the equivlency of making it to the final four and then not even playing the championships at all. (That is the best way I can explain my opinion, though I don't think it even ranks that high, because the outcomes would significantly different if the tournament was how it should be).
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This is ridiculous. No shame in winning a state championship at all. Get over that there is no longer one class in the IHSAA. It has been 13 years. Get over it.
 

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Sackalot said:
A class basketball championship means nothing to me. Well it means that your team is one of the 4 best teams in the state and that your team is good enough to beat "that" team but not "THAT" team. I don't care if there are 2 or 4 or 10, there is no true basketball champ anymore in Indiana and it is a travesty!

My home town of Brownsburg won the state title in 2008 with Gordon Hayward playing. First question I asked was could they have beaten Washington HS, or Trtion or Fort Wayne Luers? The answer I got was probably not from most in the town that had any real knowledge or understanding (considering that they barely won on a last second shot anyway). That of course is arguable, but regardless that isn't the point. The point is that HS basketball no longer is about basketball, it is about administrators, it isn't about the kids its about the trophies, it isn't about sectionals or regionals, its only about a state title. Used to be a HUGE deal to win a sectional, no longer the case...your season isn't a good one unless you go beyond regoinals to semi state. All this change did was escalate the expectations. Parody does nothing but waterdown the product. In this case it waters down the competition and the attendance numbers reflect the fact that the competition has been watered down.

So in conclusion, a class basketball state title isn't a state title to me. It is the equivlency of making it to the final four and then not even playing the championships at all. (That is the best way I can explain my opinion, though I don't think it even ranks that high, because the outcomes would significantly different if the tournament was how it should be).
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I watched that game you refer to. If you think Gordon, Julian and the other Bulldogs weren't thrilled with the win--well they were. The town was too. As to beating the others--it is/was a moot point. Like it or not, one class basketball is done in Indiana. It's time to move on.
 
Dgreenwell3 said:
LOL...I am sorry but any person who says that the IHSAA is just crazy for implementing a class system you should understand how difficult of a feeling it is as a player to face a school with MORE MONEY, Bigger players, higer paid everything but then say, it's only fair to say they are better than them because they beat that they were outmatched for...I am sorry but I and the IHSAA should give a rat's patootie about what the fans care about...it's about the Kids...
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Have you been drinking again? :-) I couldn't understand any of this...maybe it's my age catching up with me...:krazy:
 
No it's just when I get upset I don't have the greatest grammar and typing skills lol...and when I read the blatent disregard for the student and more of a regard of watching the tournament and how much fun it was...it really pissed me off...
 
Dgreenwell3 said:
No it's just when I get upset I don't have the greatest grammar and typing skills lol...and when I read the blatent disregard for the student and more of a regard of watching the tournament and how much fun it was...it really pissed me off...
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No worries dude! I was just ribbin' 'ya a little bit!!! :wordyo:
 
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