[November 22, 2022] Indiana State (4-0) vs Kansas City (2-4)

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hans1950

The Captain Level
Supporter
The one thing for sure is if we're running this offense we have to make 3's. Don't shoot well, out of luck. I guess 37% isn't terrible but one more wins this game. Didn't watch so I don't know exactly what is going on with the attitude business. I hoped that Henry would mature from last year but maybe not. Adversity usually brings out the bad stuff, it's on the coach to fix that.If not we could be i trouble. Hopefully these are lessons learned that will create better play later on.
 

meistro

The Renn Level
Supporter
I listened on the radio and it sounded like we just jacked up shots and didn't necessarily run the offense? Coach said we played selfish basketball and that's what it sounded like on the radio.
 

sycamorebacker

The Menser Level
Supporter
I guess 37% isn't terrible but one more wins this game.
The % isn't bad. One could argue we shot too many of them. Still had an effective rate around 50%. TO's, missed FT's, gave up too many offensive rebounds and committed too many fouls.
Maybe that can be corrected.
 

sycamorebacker

The Menser Level
Supporter
The MVC is not good. All we did adding two teams is to water down our league even more and give us less of a chance to get in tournament and also means splitting the money even more.
I wasn't intending to get into how good the Valley is or about the new teams. Just wondering if the players looked similar to Valley players as far as athletic ability, size, etc. In other words, did we play neck-and-neck with two teams that are "weaker" than our conference foes.
And I understand that the Valley is not looking strong in pre-conference games.
 

Jason Svoboda

The Bird Level
Administrator
I listened on the radio and it sounded like we just jacked up shots and didn't necessarily run the offense? Coach said we played selfish basketball and that's what it sounded like on the radio.

Their rim defense completely flustered our guys and they did end up settling for 3s. To be fair, it felt like any time we got to the rim, it got blocked or they they beat the shit out of our guy to no call. Can't say I wouldn't have settled for the same shots by the end.
 

Jason Svoboda

The Bird Level
Administrator
I wasn't intending to get into how good the Valley is or about the new teams. Just wondering if the players looked similar to Valley players as far as athletic ability, size, etc. In other words, did we play neck-and-neck with two teams that are "weaker" than our conference foes.
And I understand that the Valley is not looking strong in pre-conference games.

We'll be fine.
 

Jason Svoboda

The Bird Level
Administrator
For you guys that watched the last 2 games, were these MVC caliber teams?

Yes. ECU would contend or win the Valley this year with an elite PG, 6'8" scoring forward and a third option that also gets double digits. Based on what I saw today and what I've seen from other Valley teams, KC would likely be middle/low middle of the pack.
 

GoSycamores

The All-American Level
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ESTERO, Fla. – It came down to the final seconds Tuesday night, but the Indiana State Sycamores suffered their first loss of the season as they fell 63-61 to Kansas City in the semifinals of the Gulf Coast Showcase at Hertz Arena. ISU (4-1) will face Drexel tomorrow at 5 p.m. for third place in the tournament.

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Jason Svoboda

The Bird Level
Administrator
The overreactions from today's game are pretty severe considering we're sitting at 4-1.

If I asked any of you that you'd settle for 2-1 coming out of this MTE based on previous years, you definitely would. We still have a chance to do just that. We got a solid win vs ECU, we battled and almost pulled off the 2nd game despite shooting woefully and playing poorly overall... we're going to be fine. IMO, this is still looking like a 20 win squad, something which we don't get many of. Meditate, go watch some porn, play some video games, drink a beer, what have you... and relax.

Season: 49.4% / 35% / 74.7%
Today: 37.3% / 37.1% / 52.6%
2nd Half: 33.3% / 30% / 41.7% <--- That's your ballgame, folks.
 

SycamoreStateofMind

The Odum Level
Supporter
It’s not serve enough Jason and I’m not going to sit on here and let you tell me so. Our roster is far superior to the team we just played.

JS got out coached and the nonsense that he’s allowed from the bench and on the floor over the last year plus shows through when things don’t go well… I forgot the emotion over the off-season but it occurred to me again today. It’s a bunch of front runners - when shots are falling, when they are getting a whistle, when things are going well it’s all good! When things get tough, when shots don’t fall, when we don’t get a whistle… We fold. We start arguing with eachother, arguing with officials, getting technical fouls, flexing on the other team when we finally do score… It’s the old NFL mantra down by 3 touchdowns and do an end zone or interception celebration type of shit.

It all comes back to the HC. If you can give him credit and clamor of his X’s and O’s Approach to the game. His recruiting and what seems to be a pretty good land %. His ability to identify talent. Etc etc etc. then surely the second we see a flaw - point it out - it’s not an overreaction? From fans/friends that you have had an interaction with on here for a long time that know the game of basketball.

He’s got a roster built to win - so pardon me for being guilty of overreacting 100% you’re damn right. Get your horses under control - tell them to act like they’ve been there before - if you make a layup you didn’t just win the National flipping Championship. Make a bucket - go to the other end of the floor and defend. It’s simple stuff that doesn’t matter when you’re balling - but it matters when you’re not and under JS this is the shit his teams can’t overcome yet… It’s the mental side of the game.

Long season and a favorable schedule ahead… But you don’t get to start 4-0 very often with daylight ahead of you - the lack of everything we saw today given our start is not an overreaction Jason. It’s not.
 

Jason Svoboda

The Bird Level
Administrator
It’s not serve enough Jason and I’m not going to sit on here and let you tell me so. Our roster is far superior to the team we just played.

JS got out coached and the nonsense that he’s allowed from the bench and on the floor over the last year plus shows through when things don’t go well… I forgot the emotion over the off-season but it occurred to me again today. It’s a bunch of front runners - when shots are falling, when they are getting a whistle, when things are going well it’s all good! When things get tough, when shots don’t fall, when we don’t get a whistle… We fold. We start arguing with eachother, arguing with officials, getting technical fouls, flexing on the other team when we finally do score… It’s the old NFL mantra down by 3 touchdowns and do an end zone or interception celebration type of shit.

It all comes back to the HC. If you can give him credit and clamor of his X’s and O’s Approach to the game. His recruiting and what seems to be a pretty good land %. His ability to identify talent. Etc etc etc. then surely the second we see a flaw - point it out - it’s not an overreaction? From fans/friends that you have had an interaction with on here for a long time that know the game of basketball.

He’s got a roster built to win - so pardon me for being guilty of overreacting 100% you’re damn right. Get your horses under control - tell them to act like they’ve been there before - if you make a layup you didn’t just win the National flipping Championship. Make a bucket - go to the other end of the floor and defend. It’s simple stuff that doesn’t matter when you’re balling - but it matters when you’re not and under JS this is the shit his teams can’t overcome yet… It’s the mental side of the game.

Long season and a favorable schedule ahead… But you don’t get to start 4-0 very often with daylight ahead of you - the lack of everything we saw today given our start is not an overreaction Jason. It’s not.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you're conflating a couple things into one and maybe we're not even looking at the same things here. All I'm talking about is the reaction to losing this game. I think your reaction is more so to behavior (maybe even what you believe is/has become the program's organizational culture) over the season thus far.

It is entirely valid to talk about the technical problem and you could argue that whatever walk-on caused the tech today essentially lost the game as I believe they hit the FTs and scored on the next possession. Impressive to cause a loss and not even be in uniform but I digress. I do think that most certainly is a topic of discussion that a competent beat writer is going to put at the feat of the coach to answer to. I think you're reaction is centered here so you just won't look elsewhere.

That being said, if the pea brain bench shuts their mouth, we likely win. If we literally shoot even marginally better from the FT line, we win. Even if we shoot just 10% below our season average, we win. If we do all three, we win by 10. So, by all means, feel free to react to the patterned behavior but I don't think we shouldn't over react to the result from today.
 

jturner38

The Varsity Level
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you're conflating a couple things into one and maybe we're not even looking at the same things here. All I'm talking about is the reaction to losing this game. I think your reaction is more so to behavior (maybe even what you believe is/has become the program's organizational culture) over the season thus far.

It is entirely valid to talk about the technical problem and you could argue that whatever walk-on caused the tech today essentially lost the game as I believe they hit the FTs and scored on the next possession. Impressive to cause a loss and not even be in uniform but I digress. I do think that most certainly is a topic of discussion that a competent beat writer is going to put at the feat of the coach to answer to. I think you're reaction is centered here so you just won't look elsewhere.

That being said, if the pea brain bench shuts their mouth, we likely win. If we literally shoot even marginally better from the FT line, we win. Even if we shoot just 10% below our season average, we win. If we do all three, we win by 10. So, by all means, feel free to react to the patterned behavior but I don't think we shouldn't over react to the result from today.
Apparently the refs told Schertz they gave a Tech bc one of the redshirt players said watch the game. Now they shouldn’t be saying anything (probably shouldn’t even be in the trip) but refs come on that’s what you give a T for? Smh
 

SycamoreStateofMind

The Odum Level
Supporter
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you're conflating a couple things into one and maybe we're not even looking at the same things here. All I'm talking about is the reaction to losing this game. I think your reaction is more so to behavior (maybe even what you believe is/has become the program's organizational culture) over the season thus far.

It is entirely valid to talk about the technical problem and you could argue that whatever walk-on caused the tech today essentially lost the game as I believe they hit the FTs and scored on the next possession. Impressive to cause a loss and not even be in uniform but I digress. I do think that most certainly is a topic of discussion that a competent beat writer is going to put at the feat of the coach to answer to. I think you're reaction is centered here so you just won't look elsewhere.

That being said, if the pea brain bench shuts their mouth, we likely win. If we literally shoot even marginally better from the FT line, we win. Even if we shoot just 10% below our season average, we win. If we do all three, we win by 10. So, by all means, feel free to react to the patterned behavior but I don't think we shouldn't over react to the result from today.

I agree with this almost entirely… I’m done with it.

Voss is constantly like flexing his arms back while he’s shooting free throws. Flexing on people after he makes a layup. Pumping his hands down to calm down??? Literally himself I guess after he makes a 3? Yesh.

Henry over here is literally the same mental midget he was last year.

And then the coaches son who shouldn’t even be on the team - let alone a redshirt freshman like you correctly demonstrated essentially by way of points we lost by cost us the game or his redshirt buddies. Who cares.

Like that shit is why we had to go find a D2 coach to run our program… I don’t think he knew or we knew why he was at D2 for so long. But I will go out on a limb and say what no one else will - his lack of accountability and discipline is exactly why. 5 tech’s through 5 games.

I had some friends on FB trying to explain to me that the officials were not great and that we didn’t deserve them… Maybe so! News flash for all of you - this team has a mentality and words gets around fast. They’re a chirpy bunch and every official in college basketball knows it. They are looking for it and they don’t want to listen to it.

So you’re not wrong - I’m less concerned about the loss and more concerned about the continual lack of accountability and control over your roster. If that’s my kid on the end of the bench in street clothes costing me points - his ass is in the locker room for the day and maybe for the God damn season.
 

SycamoreStateofMind

The Odum Level
Supporter
I will say… I give Luke Martin a lot of credit for asking JS in the post game about the technical foul. His answer didn’t pin it on one player - nor should it. But he basically said can’t happen. But it’s on him… His words mean nothing to me at this point. But credit Martin for asking the tough question on a home cast.

The only thing I didn’t hear that I probably would have said if I was JS - I feel like he owed his fans especially those that traveled to watch them and paid good money and apology for that lack luster shit performance. But he didn’t - so maybe it didn’t come to mind or maybe he’s not sorry and it’s just a product of what you sign up for. Both can be right and acceptable I suppose.
 

sycamore tuff

The All-American Level
Maybe we should shut down the program and funnel all the extra money toward football. That's similar to what several on here say after a football loss. I wish we had won the game but it is just a game and a pretty meaningless game. The only games that really matter are mvc games.
 

Sycamorefan96

The Newsom Level
This should be a relatively easy win against a lesser opponent to make the championship game; so this will definitely be the game we lose.
No one should be surprised. I warned y'all on page 1 that we would lose. This isn't my first episode; I've been an ISU fan long enough to know when to expect disappointment.
 
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