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Only a matter of time. Winning it all is the only measuring stick. Paying 5M for a mid tier program only lasts so long
 
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And for Indiana State the only place you can live right now is "C" Tap Out! You have two choices in Option C, One you can quit pretending to be something you are not - a basketball school. Go win in baseball and track and field be who you are. Or you can cut the football program entirely or move it to non-scholarship and try and fully invest all resources into basketball and quit pretending.

Option B is not the way forward - the top 10 donors at Indiana State don't have 5 more years left in them especially at the current ROI they are seeing. The reality is that Indiana State doesn't even need 10 or 20 like the tweet suggests. Indiana State needs to get its top 3 engaged at the level necessary to compete and we don't even have that.

And Option A is probably the most intriguing but again back to "C"... If you can't make big boy decisions around football then selling your basketball program to PE or whomever is probably not on the table. Wonder what the valuation is on Indiana State's basketball program right now? We could come together and make them an offer they cant refuse....
 
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SycamoreStateofMind said:
Or you can cut the football program entirely or move it to non-scholarship and try and fully invest all resources into basketball.
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Hope the Prez & AD agree.

I'll be disappointed if nothing changes soon. If I was in the 'for isu football' camp, I'd be for non-scholarship football, probably the most likely way to keep a football team, IMO.
 
RunSyc said:
Hope the Prez & AD agree.

I'll be disappointed if nothing changes soon. If I was in the 'for isu football' camp, I'd be for non-scholarship football, probably the most likely way to keep a football team, IMO.
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I think they’re in agreement with themselves. I’m not sure they’re in agreement with me… ha.

1. They know something needs to be done with football but doing away with it entirely is not on the table.

- I think moving non-scholarship is a is our only hope. The reality is, enrollment is a key factor as is some hesitation to put “terminated Indiana State football program” on their resumes.

2. We need a few big donors to step up to the plate or it’s not going to matter what we do with football. You could do away with football or move non scholarship - not get those commitments and we’re going to be in the same spot.

3. Basketball could help out by winning some games… That would be helpful.
 

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2005845130012393818

The same people who helped break college basketball now want to help fix college basketball… These P5 coaches, AD’s and Presidents allowed it to happen and now they want to put a stop to it. Honestly, fuck every last one of them and Jay Bilias I will never watch college game day again in my life as long as that moron is on tv.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2005845130012393818

The same people who helped break college basketball now want to help fix college basketball… These P5 coaches, AD’s and Presidents allowed it to happen and now they want to put a stop to it. Honestly, fuck every last one of them and Jay Bilias I will never watch college game day again in my life as long as that moron is on tv.
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Funny, now that it's putting a hurt on them, they seem to care. It is mind boggling to me why these ass hats ever thought this would be a good idea. NIL, in it's unadulterated, simple form would be okay.....not crazy about it, but could deal with it. This nonsense that hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of scholarships, meals, gear, travel, special tutoring, access to top medical treatment, nutrition etc... isn't enough is bull$#!%. These players get far more than any other student on scholarship gets on campus and its not even close. These clowns like Bilas and P5 coaches and brass have helped create a rapidly deteriorating college model, especially from a fan and donor perspective. There was zero foresight on this and now its rearing it's ugly head. I hope they all have to suffer for what they've done to the college game. But somehow it won't be them, it will be all the little guys, like always.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2005845130012393818

The same people who helped break college basketball now want to help fix college basketball… These P5 coaches, AD’s and Presidents allowed it to happen and now they want to put a stop to it. Honestly, fuck every last one of them and Jay Bilias I will never watch college game day again in my life as long as that moron is on tv.
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I will cut Cal some slack as football has pretty much been the entire driver of this nonsense and the basketball folks have been largely ignored. However, these dipshits should have seen this coming and should have spoken up more.

It still blows my mind that they let football have so much control when the money sits outside of the NCAA. It's just absolutely wild how naïve, clueless, or just downright stupid the lot of these Presidents and ADs are.
 

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SycamoreStateofMind said:
Not a Tom Brady guy - but he’s the best to ever play the game IMO and this is just fucking it right here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008255427927306277

It’s just what it is… And we’re missing that in this current broken system.
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No doubt. So many want the happy path. Of all the places to not want that, it's where competition occurs.

I get asked about "my secret" in the gym all the time. It's fucking work. There is no secret substitution for putting in consistent work. I lift and do other strength-related work 7 days a week, usually a couple hours a day. I think I missed like 5-6 days in 2025 and it's when I got sick. No Staples easy button... just grinding even at my old age.

So many kids these days want zero resistance. Pay me. Give me a starting role. Don't recruit over me. A lot of fucking me, me, me without any proof of work. Don't even want to bring up the missing love of the game, either because that is more evident than ever.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Don't even want to bring up the missing love of the game, either because that is more evident than ever.
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Not just love of the game... Maybe more important than that - love for the name on your chest. That holds very little value anymore and that has changed a lot from my years at Indiana State. Those guys I trained with everyday cared a great deal and still do today about the name and logo they were repping.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Not a Tom Brady guy - but he’s the best to ever play the game IMO and this is just fucking it right here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2008255427927306277

It’s just what it is… And we’re missing that in this current broken system.
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Also not a Brady guy, moreso a Never Brady guy -- dispute the assertions he was the "greatest" to play the game...

far, FAR too much has changed in football, pro & college to anoint a greatest but ESPECIALLY a quarterback as the "Greatest"

interesting how he yapps about kids not wanting to be challenged... lil Tommy was a half a hair from LEAVING Michigan "because he didn't like the way he was being treated, not being the starter, etc, etc... DEMANDING playing time, to be the starter..."

Not buying his perspective on this topic
 
4Q_iu said:
Also not a Brady guy, moreso a Never Brady guy -- dispute the assertions he was the "greatest" to play the game...

far, FAR too much has changed in football, pro & college to anoint a greatest but ESPECIALLY a quarterback as the "Greatest"

interesting how he yapps about kids not wanting to be challenged... lil Tommy was a half a hair from LEAVING Michigan "because he didn't like the way he was being treated, not being the starter, etc, etc... DEMANDING playing time, to be the starter..."

Not buying his perspective on this topic
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I took his comments at face value - admittedly not that well versed on his history at Michigan and how that went. Obviously, being a Colts fan pretty well versed on his professional career and you can dispute it all you want - that certainly is what sports is all about makes for good debate.

I think his point still stands - back then when shit got difficult and the going got tough. You didn’t have many options… sure you could transfer and sit out a year, but that didn’t have many guarantees. You had to just put your down, work and get better. It taught you a lot about yourself.
 

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SycamoreStateofMind said:
I took his comments at face value - admittedly not that well versed on his history at Michigan and how that went. Obviously, being a Colts fan pretty well versed on his professional career and you can dispute it all you want - that certainly is what sports is all about makes for good debate.

I think his point still stands - back then when shit got difficult and the going got tough. You didn’t have many options… sure you could transfer and sit out a year, but that didn’t have many guarantees. You had to just put your down, work and get better. It taught you a lot about yourself.
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I don't think he was highly recruited to Michigan; regardless - he was RS'd as a FROSH, still DEEP on the depth chart, did NOT play better than Brian Griese or Scott Driesbach and platooned at times with Drew Henson.

He was drafted where he was drafted - given his college career, I don't recall him PLUMMETING down the rounds ala Dan Marino.

Titles... yes, he has 7 Super Bowl rings; he doesn't have the most TITLES. Lou "The Toe" Groza and Frank Gatski both have 8, some from the AAFC (original home of the Cleveland Browns, SF 49ers and the 'original' Baltimore Colts -- but as a Colts fan, you knew that factoid.)

Otto Graham ALSO has 7 titles as a QB, played for the title EVERY season he played pro football AND he won an NBA title as well (Graham was a 2x All-American in basketball at Northwestern) MVP of the Big Ten in football too... pretty sure, lil' Tommy Brady did NOT win a title in another sport.

Brady was also front/center of not one but TWO cheating scandals; regardless of his level of participation in VideoGate/TapeGate - he benefited.

Never a fan of Brady, never going to be a fan of Brady -- the CONTINUAL "Brady Rules" by the NFL lead me to NOT watch any game in which he's "analyzing"

The entire system is swirling around the drain; it was a bit before but NIL and the zero restrictions of continual/endless movement just put it on warp speed
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
Not just love of the game... Maybe more important than that - love for the name on your chest. That holds very little value anymore and that has changed a lot from my years at Indiana State. Those guys I trained with everyday cared a great deal and still do today about the name and logo they were repping.
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So true, my experience with my teammates was the same.
 
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