Why is it when people make decent contributions, to various threads ,you feel compelled to focus on the negative and try to bring them down?
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The Oakland A's are moving to Vegas
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The same people that think the A's will fail said NHL would fail here, too. This is from tonight:
Tickets were going for up to $6k. Insane.
Tickets were going for up to $6k. Insane.
They didn’t have all that talent when he moved the team from KC. That’s when they refocussed their scouting and drafting energies to above average players. Fortunately for Charlie he struck gold according to plan.
By the way, Charlie was a very decent man who helped a lot of people. Especially the poor.
Again, you insist on saying negative things about people you know nothing about!
What did I say that was negative? the entire baseball world KNEW Finley was a carnival barker -- he REVEALED in it!
As to decent...
his wife divorced him after years of infidelity -- they spent ~5 years or more fighting over the 'details' in court
his kids were estranged from him
he feuded with the Commissioner for YEARS
the players feuded with him annually
he ran through managers and team employees in Steinbrenneresque style
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/charlie-finley/
https://sabr.org/bioproj/topic/charlie-o/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ey-dies/040c597c-3258-4999-b3b0-24162b7a1559/
Again, you run your pie hole based on your "memory"
You just proved my case!
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Manfred continues to lie about the A's moving to Las Vegas
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/06/15/rob-manfred-oakland-a/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/06/15/rob-manfred-oakland-a/
I don't sub... what exactly is the lie?
Essentially, he's BROKEN-hearted that poor, POOR John Fisher is FORCED to leave Oakland. That Oakland NEVER wanted to work with the A's
While he is bullshitting a bit, I don't think it's an all out lie?
They needed a ballpark long before Fisher became owner. Their fans never filled the park like they claim and their complaint about payroll falls on deaf ears considering almost every club gate revenues are tied to payroll spending. The A's had a $30m gate last year. I'm not spending on players, either.
Rich people don't stay rich by making poor decisions. To boot, that guy isn't as rich as people making him out to be -- he's rich on paper but not liquid.
If the people of Oakland would have attended games and they brought in money anywhere like the Giants over the last 25 years, they'd have a new stadium in Oakland. Hell, if they would have just averaged 25k a home game, they'd have something done. Now they are crying foul when their asses sat at home on the couch. Sorry, I'd go watch my favorite teams play in shit facilities and have. They have shit fans.
Oakland Athletics on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
Oakland Athletics #29 on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
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San Francisco Giants on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
San Francisco Giants #5 on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
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Look at the gate, revenue per fan and player expenses. Also, people talk about how they just sat on revenue sharing -- they were ineligible for revenue sharing up until the last CBA that was passed in 2021.
This whole thing is hilarious to me because none of the articles blasting the Oakland narrative will ever actually do a deep dive analysis on the numbers. It's all preying on emotional outrage and blaming the mean ole rich guy.
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While he is bullshitting a bit, I don't think it's an all out lie?
They needed a ballpark long before Fisher became owner. Their fans never filled the park like they claim and their complaint about payroll falls on deaf ears considering almost every club gate revenues are tied to payroll spending. The A's had a $30m gate last year. I'm not spending on players, either.
Rich people don't stay rich by making poor decisions. To boot, that guy isn't as rich as people making him out to be -- he's rich on paper but not liquid.
If the people of Oakland would have attended games and they brought in money anywhere like the Giants over the last 25 years, they'd have a new stadium in Oakland. Hell, if they would have just averaged 25k a home game, they'd have something done. Now they are crying foul when their asses sat at home on the couch. Sorry, I'd go watch my favorite teams play in shit facilities and have. They have shit fans.
Oakland Athletics on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
Oakland Athletics #29 on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations ListSan Francisco Giants on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
San Francisco Giants #5 on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
Look at the gate, revenue per fan and player expenses. Also, people talk about how they just sat on revenue sharing -- they were ineligible for revenue sharing up until the last CBA that was passed in 2021.
This whole thing is hilarious to me because none of the articles blasting the Oakland narrative will ever actually do a deep dive analysis on the numbers. It's all preying on emotional outrage and blaming the mean ole rich guy.
All great points - at the end of the day, the A's will likely land in Vegas
This point was rarely made in other articles that i've tracked...
"The reality is the A’s ownership had insisted on a multibillion dollar, 55-acre project that included a ballpark residential, commercial and retail space. In Las Vegas, for whatever reason, they seem satisfied with a nine-acre leased ballpark on leased land,” Thao’s spokeswoman said. “If they had proposed a similar project in Oakland, we feel confident a new ballpark would already be under construction. Oakland showed its commitment to the A’s, and that is why the A’s belong in Oakland.” For years, the A’s and the city of Oakland explored a plan to put a ballpark at Howard Terminal, a process that went so far as to garner a page on the Port of Oakland’s website that includes a timeline of the project’s progress and detailed renderings. The A’s had not, however, secured the level of public funding from Oakland that they did from Las Vegas. That, the city argues, is because the Athletics were not willing to scale down their requests.
IMO, most of this is driven by the A's landing in the lap of Lew Wolff and John Fisher; IIRC, when the Schott & Hofmann partnership put the A's up for sale and the leading candidate didn't get the team but rather Wolff and Fisher; globally-recognized Prick of Pricks Bud Selig orchestrated a bit of that sale as he and Wolff were ass-paddling Pi Lam "brothers".
I'm blanking on the leading candidate and google hasn't told me - yet.
IMO, this is another example of out of touch owners, out of touch MLB wanting everything and unwilling to spend their money but rather demanding the fans and non-baseball fans/voting citizens pay for the stadium
The Chargers are in LA and not San Diego as much because those fans refused to fund a new stadium but also because the NFL really put the screws to the Spanos family to leave, essentially telling them if you DON'T leave; we (NFL) will NEVER be able to squeeze another city to put up a new stadium (for 8 days of use a year).
Will baseball be BETTER because of this move? No, will baseball be worse because of it? maybe but I doubt it. Will baseball THRIVE in Vegas? TBD - but you won't find me at an A's game between June - September the next time I'm in Vegas -- too friggin' hot. Just like in PHO, ARL, ATL, MIA, etc, etc, etc
Anyone catch that Perfect Game in Oakland?
The Yankees right-hander retired all 27 hitters in an 11–0 blowout win over the lowly Athletics on Wednesday night, becoming the 24th pitcher to accomplish the feat. He’s the first to toss a perfect game since Félix Hernández in 2012, ending the longest stretch without one since a 13-year gap from 1968 to ’81. Coincidentally, 2012 was a banner year for perfect games, with Hernández, Matt Cain and Philip Humber all becoming part of baseball history.
Germán’s dance with history was remarkably routine. Yes, he was facing an Oakland lineup that entered the day with the worst team batting average, fewest hits and fewest runs in the league. But Germán cruised through the 27 hitters he faced in just 99 pitches, second fewest in a perfect game since Randy Johnson in 1999. He threw 72 strikes and faced just two three-ball counts all night—once in the fourth inning, once in the eighth.
The night’s biggest threat came in the fifth inning, when first baseman Anthony Rizzo had to make a sliding stop on a sharply hit ground ball by Seth Brown. The four-time Gold Glove winner handled the chance and flipped to Germán for the out, and it was smooth sailing from there. The only other threat: long innings. But nothing could disrupt the 30-year-old’s rhythm, as he set down the bottom three in the Athletics’ order on just six pitches.
Germán had dedicated the start to his uncle, who had passed away two days ago. He said on the YES Network postgame that he had “cried a lot in the clubhouse yesterday.” He became the first Dominican-born pitcher to throw a perfect game.
This performance largely came out of nowhere. Germán gave up 10 runs (eight earned) in his last start, and before that got shelled for seven runs in fewer than three innings against the Red Sox. In all, Germán has scuffled for the better part of three seasons, struggling to regain the form he found when he won 18 games in 2019 before being suspended late in that season and for the entirety of the ’20 season after a domestic violence allegation.
Meanwhile, it’s another lowlight in an ugly season for the Athletics, whose 21–61 record is the worst in baseball. After a brief hot stretch winning seven straight, Oakland has won just two of its last 13 games and topped three runs just twice in that stretch.
Still, history is history. As Sports Illustrated’s Emma Baccellieri wrote: “There’s no caveating a perfect game.”
The Yankees right-hander retired all 27 hitters in an 11–0 blowout win over the lowly Athletics on Wednesday night, becoming the 24th pitcher to accomplish the feat. He’s the first to toss a perfect game since Félix Hernández in 2012, ending the longest stretch without one since a 13-year gap from 1968 to ’81. Coincidentally, 2012 was a banner year for perfect games, with Hernández, Matt Cain and Philip Humber all becoming part of baseball history.
Germán’s dance with history was remarkably routine. Yes, he was facing an Oakland lineup that entered the day with the worst team batting average, fewest hits and fewest runs in the league. But Germán cruised through the 27 hitters he faced in just 99 pitches, second fewest in a perfect game since Randy Johnson in 1999. He threw 72 strikes and faced just two three-ball counts all night—once in the fourth inning, once in the eighth.
The night’s biggest threat came in the fifth inning, when first baseman Anthony Rizzo had to make a sliding stop on a sharply hit ground ball by Seth Brown. The four-time Gold Glove winner handled the chance and flipped to Germán for the out, and it was smooth sailing from there. The only other threat: long innings. But nothing could disrupt the 30-year-old’s rhythm, as he set down the bottom three in the Athletics’ order on just six pitches.
Germán had dedicated the start to his uncle, who had passed away two days ago. He said on the YES Network postgame that he had “cried a lot in the clubhouse yesterday.” He became the first Dominican-born pitcher to throw a perfect game.
This performance largely came out of nowhere. Germán gave up 10 runs (eight earned) in his last start, and before that got shelled for seven runs in fewer than three innings against the Red Sox. In all, Germán has scuffled for the better part of three seasons, struggling to regain the form he found when he won 18 games in 2019 before being suspended late in that season and for the entirety of the ’20 season after a domestic violence allegation.
Meanwhile, it’s another lowlight in an ugly season for the Athletics, whose 21–61 record is the worst in baseball. After a brief hot stretch winning seven straight, Oakland has won just two of its last 13 games and topped three runs just twice in that stretch.
Still, history is history. As Sports Illustrated’s Emma Baccellieri wrote: “There’s no caveating a perfect game.”
While he is bullshitting a bit, I don't think it's an all out lie?
They needed a ballpark long before Fisher became owner. Their fans never filled the park like they claim and their complaint about payroll falls on deaf ears considering almost every club gate revenues are tied to payroll spending. The A's had a $30m gate last year. I'm not spending on players, either.
Rich people don't stay rich by making poor decisions. To boot, that guy isn't as rich as people making him out to be -- he's rich on paper but not liquid.
If the people of Oakland would have attended games and they brought in money anywhere like the Giants over the last 25 years, they'd have a new stadium in Oakland. Hell, if they would have just averaged 25k a home game, they'd have something done. Now they are crying foul when their asses sat at home on the couch. Sorry, I'd go watch my favorite teams play in shit facilities and have. They have shit fans.
Oakland Athletics on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
Oakland Athletics #29 on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations ListSan Francisco Giants on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
San Francisco Giants #5 on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List
Look at the gate, revenue per fan and player expenses. Also, people talk about how they just sat on revenue sharing -- they were ineligible for revenue sharing up until the last CBA that was passed in 2021.
This whole thing is hilarious to me because none of the articles blasting the Oakland narrative will ever actually do a deep dive analysis on the numbers. It's all preying on emotional outrage and blaming the mean ole rich guy.
Mayor of Oakland going public with THEIR plans... the goal is OPEN communication with ALL MLB owners
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38000149/oakland-mayor-sheng-thao-shared-plans-mlb-keep-as
The A's should definitely move to LV. There's a never ending flow of traffic that is constantly going in and out just looking to blow money. Five of my friends spent $900 a ticket to watch some UFC fight this past weekend. The NBA Summer League games were also going on at the same time. You can bet that eventually the Final 4, CFP, and Super Bowl will be hosted at Allegiant Stadium. I heard Formula 1 is going to race down the Strip later this year.
Personally I've been to LV twice within the past year, including this past weekend, and I love it there. There's basically endless things to do. The only negative is that it's blazing hot during the day, but it's the desert so as soon as the sun goes down it cools off quite a bit (plus it's a dry hot).
From what I've heard (never been there) Oakland is an absolute dump and not exactly all that safe these days. Sure Sin City has crime too, but the biggest risk on the strip anyways is pick pocketing, so you just keep your wallet in your front pocket. I've never felt uncomfortable or unsafe walking around in Vegas regardless of the time of day.
Personally I've been to LV twice within the past year, including this past weekend, and I love it there. There's basically endless things to do. The only negative is that it's blazing hot during the day, but it's the desert so as soon as the sun goes down it cools off quite a bit (plus it's a dry hot).
From what I've heard (never been there) Oakland is an absolute dump and not exactly all that safe these days. Sure Sin City has crime too, but the biggest risk on the strip anyways is pick pocketing, so you just keep your wallet in your front pocket. I've never felt uncomfortable or unsafe walking around in Vegas regardless of the time of day.
Just as pitchers and catchers are getting ready to report for Spring Training 2024 Style, Tim Kawakami released an interesting piece on The Athletic on the continuing ham-fisted manner that John Fisher (and chiefly John Fisher) is tanking the stadium deal and eventual move (?) from the Bay Area to Las Vegas
https://theathletic.com/5071714/202...senewsletter&campaign=8936836&userId=14946052
MLB needs to force the sale and let Fisher find new, different ways to screw up the stadium deals for the San Jose Earthquakes and Celtic F.C.
https://theathletic.com/5071714/202...senewsletter&campaign=8936836&userId=14946052
MLB needs to force the sale and let Fisher find new, different ways to screw up the stadium deals for the San Jose Earthquakes and Celtic F.C.
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I saw where the LV mayor said that she thinks the A's should just stay in Oakland. Literally no one is staying in Oakland. The Warriors left, Walmart left, and the very the last In-N-Out in the city by the airport is leaving. I drove through there back in September (in a rental car on vacation) and anytime you stop somewhere they have signs everywhere in the Bay Area warning you not to leave anything in sight when you park your car because it is a "high break-in area". As bad as the Bay Area was I think Portland, Oregon is still arguably worse. Not sure why the west coast puts up with crime, drugs, and homelessness like they do.
She's pissed that they didn't listen to her downtown stadium proposal.
People don't realize the Strip is technically not in Las Vegas and is part of the unincorporated Clark County so she can't get her grubby hands on the money.
I discovered that the last time I was out there. I guess it's in a designated census area called "Paradise" similar to say "North Terre Haute".
Hmmm... imagine that, A's ownership finding new city leaders to ignore and piss off and...
