Why Cutter isn't playing?

SycamoreinTN

The White Level
From the games I've watched and heard this year, it seems as if they, the team, plays much better with him in the game. I find it hard to see Why Coach McFlippa can't get him into the game more...and these past two games he's played 3 minutes combined????:confused:
 

SycamoreStateofMind

The Odum Level
Supporter
Look I am going to guess you are a friend of Tyler or know Tyler personally based on your location and your user name. Fact of the matter is when Tyler Cutter is in the game he does not shoot the ball nor does he look to shoot. He passed up a shot 3 games ago in the corner, drove into the lane, turned the ball over and was yanked immediately. He has not seen the floor since (nor should he). I don't know if he has been told not to shoot or discouraged from shooting or what but that part of his game seems to be lacking.

Have you seen Tyler play in high school? If so what made him such a good high school player? What did he do best? What do you think he needs to work on?

If you tell me that maybe we can add some insight into why he is not playing at Indiana State.
 

SycamoreinTN

The White Level
I do not know Tyler personally. Since he signed with state his senior year i followed the rest of his games and went to both state tournaments he was in. His outside shot was why Division 1 schools were recruiting him. Coach Mckenna does not believe in Cutter's shooting. Watch Cutter in warm ups. His shot is arguably the best on the team. It seems as if Mckenna has changed Tyler's game and made him into more of a defensive specialist, which he is not. Cutter needs to be shooting for ISU to be competitive but first he needs to get in the dang game!!!
 

sycamorebacker

The Menser Level
I think Coach wants him to shoot. Unfortunately, sometimes freshmen, and especially freshmen PG's, are not looking for the shot.
 

Daveinth

The Wade Level
Supporter
I have been asking that same question "WHY DOESNT HE SHOOT?" I feel the fact that he does not shoot is why he riding the bench. Last home game he passed up a wide open shot and then turned the ball over. He was pulled from the game. There were shouts about his playing abilities coming from the stands. This is a bad thing not just for Tyler but for the program as well. Its one thing to come-on the boards and state your opinions but to scream and yell about a player is just LOW CLASS and not the type of support we need. I feel in due time Cutter will come around but we do not need idiots screaming bad things during the games if you do this just stay home. I want good attendance numbers but not these types of people attending I want good support.
 

sycamorebacker

The Menser Level
I would like to excuse the fans in the stands and on message boards because they are really frustrated; but, there really is no excuse for that behavior.
 

sycamorebacker

The Menser Level
i hope you are not referring to me as an idiot on the message board.
No, it was said that some fans were yelling inappropriate stuff at Tyler at the game. And we have had some players singled out on the boards with rather cutting criticism. Of course, it's difficult to discuss the team without mentioning individual players, but posters should be very careful what they say and how they say it.
Yelling at players at games is certainly never appropriate.
 

SycamoreStateofMind

The Odum Level
Supporter
No, it was said that some fans were yelling inappropriate stuff at Tyler at the game. And we have had some players singled out on the boards with rather cutting criticism. Of course, it's difficult to discuss the team without mentioning individual players, but posters should be very careful what they say and how they say it.
Yelling at players at games is certainly never appropriate.
No TN you are alright man. They were talking to me. It's fine.
 

statefan12

The Recruit Level
Nothing personal against the kid, but he has a hard enough time just getting the ball up the court against competition that shooting is probably the last thing on his mind. Hasn't seemed to adjust to the speed of the game yet.
 

IndyTreeFan

The Nicks Level
Supporter
At this point in the season, I'd chalk this one up to experience. I'd play Tyler at point for 30+ minutes a game, I'd have Brant and Josh and Isiah all platooning the center position (I might even experiment with Brant and Josh at center and Isiah at PF), and I'd play all the rest of the young guys as much as humanly possible. Might as well get 'em experience in the trenches now, it might help us out next year.

I'm not as distraught now as I was a couple of weeks ago. We really have only two glaring personnel needs: 1) a really good PG, which might be Tyler or it might be Jake, and 2) a 15-20 ppg scorer who doesn't give up as many as he scores by turnovers or bad defense. Other than that, personnel wise we're OK, although we'll always take an upgrade wherever we can get one!

I think KMac will get this thing turned around. I figure this season kind of hit 'em all like a tsumani, and it knocked everyone for a loop.
 

SycamoreinTN

The White Level
Good point. Tyler should be playing more than 3 minutes. Printy and Carter should also be playing more. Carl has no hustle and because his mom sits behind the bench I think McKenna is pressured to leave him in the game:krazy:. Harry picks when he wants to play defense, and he is not 100 percent and it's obvious. Harry plays like it's church league, making poor passes. Yank his butt when he makes a turnover, instead McKenna plays favorites (harry, carl). Both of them take more contested shots than the rest of the team combined. We don't look organized on offense. We lead the league in turnovers and god knows what else. What do we do in practice?...we need to go in a new direction and that means get a new coach.
 

SydCamore

The Captain Level
SycamoreinTN,

I respectfully disagree. There is no pressure to play people in college. Coaches jobs are on the line. Carl is our best rebounder, he has to play. His scoring and shot selection will come around.

You look at Harry's play as poor and I look at it as gutsy. As you stated, he is not 100%. Therefore, he is playing hurt for a 4-16 team. Would most players do that?

An un-organized offense is the reason that they take contested shots.
 

Sycamoremom

The White Level
Mr. SycamoreinTN, I will give you the respect you did not give. First of all, I do not live in Terra Haute, do not work for Indiana State, not a part of the athletic department, not a member of the coaching staff and not one of the basketball players. Therefore, I respectfully request that you keep me (Carl's mom) out of your comments, because one thing is for sure I do not, and will not try to tell the coaching staff at Indiana State how to do their jobs. You can make all the comments you want about my son, the basketball program and the coaching staff, but I am off limits. Thank you and have a nice day.
 

IndyTreeFan

The Nicks Level
Supporter
Mr. SycamoreinTN, I will give you the respect you did not give. First of all, I do not live in Terra Haute, do not work for Indiana State, not a part of the athletic department, not a member of the coaching staff and not one of the basketball players. Therefore, I respectfully request that you keep me (Carl's mom) out of your comments, because one thing is for sure I do not, and will not try to tell the coaching staff at Indiana State how to do their jobs. You can make all the comments you want about my son, the basketball program and the coaching staff, but I am off limits. Thank you and have a nice day.
Would have to agree with you there, ma'am. Sorry some hack decided to take a personal shot at you. This board has that problem from time to time.

I hope Carl is enjoying his freshman year. I know the losing's got to be tough on him, but he's really making an impact in a way that freshmen normally can't do - rebounding. Right now, I'd say he's our best rebounder. And the offensive talent is there, I just can't wait to see it come out.

I hope he's feeling comfortable at ISU. I know there are many fans, they types who don't normally post on message boards, that love to watch Carl. I hope we get three more years to watch him! He'll be a big part of our resurrection!

Thanks for doing such a great job raising a really nice young man.

:sycamores::sycamores::sycamores:
 

hussle

The White Level
At this point in the season, I'd chalk this one up to experience. I'd play Tyler at point for 30+ minutes a game, I'd have Brant and Josh and Isiah all platooning the center position (I might even experiment with Brant and Josh at center and Isiah at PF), and I'd play all the rest of the young guys as much as humanly possible. Might as well get 'em experience in the trenches now, it might help us out next year.

I'm not as distraught now as I was a couple of weeks ago. We really have only two glaring personnel needs: 1) a really good PG, which might be Tyler or it might be Jake, and 2) a 15-20 ppg scorer who doesn't give up as many as he scores by turnovers or bad defense. Other than that, personnel wise we're OK, although we'll always take an upgrade wherever we can get one!

I think KMac will get this thing turned around. I figure this season kind of hit 'em all like a tsumani, and it knocked everyone for a loop.

Agreed...makes sense...will the coaching staff really play them that much?
 

bent20

The Odum Level
Harry is arguably our best player. He better be on the floor.

I think the team has shown more heart and effort as the season has gone on. I'd like to think that's because a lot of new faces are getting used to playing with each other.
 

Pomeroy Fan

The Blue Level
It is clear, TN, that you have an agenda with Cutter that jives with the facts:

-- He has trouble bringing the ball up the floor against Division I talent at this stage. He is also very vulnerable when trapped, as he is not physical enough to split the trap or get a pass through it.
-- He is tenative within the offense where it bogs down to the point of inertia. He dribbles FOREVER on the perimeter and the movement necessary to run the set play dies because his teammates don't know when he's going to get rid of the ball.
-- Because of this, he'll be forced into a situation where he has to get rid of the ball, like it or not, because of the shot clock, leading to low-percentage passes or desperation passes.
-- He is also prone at times in trying to make the dazzling, no-look pass, which this fundamentally-deficient team needs right now about as much as it needs a hole in its head. The coaches stress simple plays and Cutter is among the many Sycamores where it goes in one ear and out the other.
-- And when he does pass, he hasn't caught up to the speed of the game. Many of his passes have been easily intercepted.
-- He is not a good defender.

All of this explains why he's getting the playing time he's getting. And you know what? Nearly all of the above can be chalked up to a freshman learning to play at this level. Truth is, had ISU's point guard depth been better, he should have been redshirted.

From what I've heard, he's a good guy and works at his game, he's just not ready yet. Too many people just can't accept that simple fact. He'll get better, but people need to be patient.

His injury slowed him, no question about it, but for someone to suggest he play 30 minutes is someone who clearly hasn't been watching the games. You think the turnover problems are bad now?
 

SydCamore

The Captain Level
Mr. SycamoreinTN, I will give you the respect you did not give. First of all, I do not live in Terra Haute, do not work for Indiana State, not a part of the athletic department, not a member of the coaching staff and not one of the basketball players. Therefore, I respectfully request that you keep me (Carl's mom) out of your comments, because one thing is for sure I do not, and will not try to tell the coaching staff at Indiana State how to do their jobs. You can make all the comments you want about my son, the basketball program and the coaching staff, but I am off limits. Thank you and have a nice day.
Sycamoremom,

Don't let what was said bother you or make you think less of ISU, the coaches, or the fans. Carl is a fine player and a fine young man. People on here usually state their opinions respectfully. I believe that Carl is going to have a great career with the Sycamores.

Unfortunately, things like this are said on every team's message boards. There is no need for personal shots. However, we can't do much about it. Just ignore it!

Carl is progressing well, especially since he was thrown into the fire right away. He looks like he is starting to feel more comfortable.

Welcome to ISU!
 
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