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Westbadenboy

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Except for Jake's first year (NCAA) each of the last 4 seasons (this once included) has ended with embarrassing losses. Embarrassing not because we lose, but we lose big, we show no heart, we look like we can't wait to get the season over, there is no fire, totally disinterested.

There is something there ...........not blaming Lansing per se -- he has done a nice job overall with team. But boy there is a real pattern there ? ? ? ? ?

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Not sure how you count last year against an undefeated team. We sure didn't look as bad as we do tonight.
 
The last games of the year under lansing.

Syracuse - just overmatched. Happy with the effort
Robert Morris - embarrassing game all around.
Iowa - they were probably the better team but it should have been competitive and it wasnt.
Arkansas - ran out of the gym by their tempo
Loyola (probably) - Mark Adams couldnt even think of anything good to say. Thats bad, real bad.

Not blaming Lansing but there does seem to be a pattern. Overall it was a nice season for a "rebuilding" year. But the end just leaves a sour taste
 
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Only about 4 or 5 teams every year go home a winner. Out of 300. Am I sad that we lost by 30? Sure. But you can't complain that every year, the last game always sucks because we lose. Well, it's kind of expected you will lose at some point in the tourney. I just feel as though this thread is useless.
 
True guardshock, was thinking that when I typed up my previous post. But we just havnt been competitive in our last games. You would think your seniors would leave everything out there for 1 more game. But I just havnt seen the heart or fire that you see throughout the season.
 

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treeman said:
The last games of the year under lansing.

Syracuse - just overmatched. Happy with the effort
Robert Morris - embarrassing game all around.
Iowa - they were probably the better team but it should have been competitive and it wasnt.
Arkansas - ran out of the gym by their tempo
Loyola (probably) - Mark Adams couldnt even think of anything good to say. Thats bad, real bad.

Not blaming Lansing but there does seem to be a pattern. Overall it was a nice season for a "rebuilding" year. But the end just leaves a sour taste
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I was counting final MVC games, which seems like a fairer comparison. Syracuse was on a neutral court but they were really good. Iowa and Arkansas were really good teams on the road (Iowa made it to the NIT final that year). Robert Morris was a game where our guys clearly didn't care. Last night wasn't really comparable. It was a new low. I don't really fault the team for some of those other results.
 
My God -- I love being a part of this website and discussing ISU sports ...................

But PLEASE ! Utilize some basic READING and COMPREHENSION skills !

Over and over again throughout various SycamorePride folks read someone's post and then totally ignore the obvious intent and meaning of the post. This results in a bunch of back and forth meaningless posts that could have been avoided in the first place if everyone would simply read the comment as it was intended.

Geezzz -- my WHOLE POINT in starting this thread should have been OBVIOUS ! Its not about the fact that we lose our last game of the season.

Its about the fact that we don't play with any heart, like we'd prefer to be someplace else than on the court, that we are not at least competitive when we clearly should be.

We took one of the 2-3 best teams in America (WSU) down to the last few minutes TWICE last year and then looked liked we'd have a hard time winning a game on Saturday morning at the "Y" in the NIT. Much the same the year before. And my gosh, last night was beyond embarrassing -- we were down 35 - 40 pts at one time !

This thread is NOT about the fact we've gotten beat the last game of the season the past 4 years ! Its about HOW we got beat and WHY this keeps happening ---- Got it ?

Any comments ? ? ? ?
 
Thought my post was pretty obvious, too, but apparently you lack comprehension skills. Those other losses weren't about not caring, they were about being outclassed. That wasn't the case last night. We beat that team twice this year, that's why it was a new low.
 
At least to my way of thinking, whether it's the last game of the MVC tourney OR the last game in the post season --it doesn't matter! The Sycamores at the end of the season, have a "knack" of looking flat and leaving us all staring at the court (or the tube) and saying what the fuck was THAT! It's a trend that seems to perpetuate itself year after year only because it keeps happening. I saw it in their eyes in the Robert Morris game. They didn't give a crap if they were playing and it looked like that they'd rather be sitting on the coach with a brewski or holding a J than playing ball in April. Until that loss last night, THAT game was the worst I had seen.

Some think it's coaching, some think it is the type of players we recruit and some may say BOTH. My gut feeling is that we continue to get quality players but players that don't have a killer instinct, that don't feed on competition (in any sport), that aren't gym rats that you have to kick them out of the arena. Gant and Kitchell are good people but I never felt like they could lead us to anything special. Even Odum, who was as close to that model as anyone, fell flat when it came to this time of the season. Renn and Menser, were the last I saw that came even close to taking us to the next level because they were competitive as hell and hated to lose. None since then.

Somehow, I feel most (all) of our underclassmen and recruits are changing that but I am truly guessing. How many times have we "thought" that our new recruits were FINALLY going to be Indiana All-Stars and they end up being third-team all state or nothing at all? I know recruiting is a crap shoot but we tend to over-rate them early and by the time they come to town, it's too late.

Time for the coaching staff AND the players to reflect on what they can do keep this from happening again. If they don't, we'll be writing the same thing next March.

You all know I have been a Coach Lansing supporter from the beginning and I still am. I am sure it pains coach to see his only seniors combine for 15 points, in what will be their last game. My guess is that Greg slept very little last night. No one expected to see anything that disastrous last night, especially him. Maybe he needs to find that gym rat that can take us to the next level. This team barely had a heartbeat last night and is in dire need of a triple by-pass.
 
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Bally #47 said:
At least to my way of thinking, whether it's the last game of the MVC tourney OR the last game in the post season --it doesn't matter! The Sycamores at the end of the season, have a "knack" of looking flat and leaving us all staring at the court (or the tube) and saying what the fuck was THAT! It's a trend that seems to perpetuate itself year after year only because it keeps happening. I saw it in their eyes in the Robert Morris game. They didn't give a crap if they were playing and it looked like that they'd rather be sitting on the coach with a brewski or holding a J than playing ball in April. Until that loss last night, THAT game was the worst I had seen.

Some think it's coaching, some think it is the type of players we recruit and some may say BOTH. My gut feeling is that we continue to get quality players but players that don't have a killer instinct, that can't get ENOUGH competition (in any sport), that aren't gym rats that you have to kick them out of the arena. Gant and Kitchell are good people but I never felt like they could lead us to anything special. Even Odum, who was as close to that model as anyone, fell flat when it came to this time of the season. Renn and Menser, were the last I saw that came even close to taking us to the next level because they were competitive as hell and hated to lose. None since then.

Somehow, I feel most (all) of our underclassmen and recruits are changing that but I am truly guessing. How many times have we "thought" that our new recruits were FINALLY going to be Indiana All-Stars and they end up being third-team all state or nothing at all? I know recruiting is a crap shoot but we tend to over-rate them early and by the time they come to town, it's too late.

Time for the coaching staff AND the players to reflect on what they can do keep this from happening again. If they don't, we'll be writing the same thing next March.

You all know I have been a Coach Lansing supporter from the beginning and I still am. I am sure it pains coach to see his only seniors combine for 15 points, in what will be their last game. My guess is that Greg slept very little last night. No one expected to see anything that disastrous last night, especially him. Maybe he needs to find that gym rat that can take us to the next level. This team barely had a heartbeat last night and is in dire need of a triple by-pass.
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Great post. Agree with most all of what you said.
 

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Ok I hate it when this all becomes personal, but to carry on any type of discussion everyone must actually listen and respond to the comments made by others. As a former high school teacher I'm disappointed that apparently our schools are not doing a better job of teaching some basic reading/comprehension/critical thinking/and listening skills. Maybe some folks went to one of those crappy "charter schools" we have around the state.
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Bent20 -- The whole point is that the last two previous years against Iowa & Ark they were good teams, but so were we. We should not have appeared to be "outclassed" in those games --- that's my point -- they should have been great, close games --- win or lose .............they were not ! WHY ?

Guardshock -- this is not a "useless" thread -- this is a disturbing trend for ISU teams the past several years. We made something like 5 post-season appearances and except for the NCAA game we did not even show up for any of them. Its not just once -- its a reoccurring trend. Its embarrassing for the team, the school, the coaches, and the ISU fans ---- and probably contributes to our continued low attendance and support.
And for once and all -- this is NOT about the fact that we lose --- its about HOW we lose and trying discuss WHY this re-occurs year after year. Except for the NCAA game, all of our LAST games of the past few seasons should have been competitive/close/fight to the end type of games.

They were not ......................................................
 
Westbadenboy said:
Ok I hate it when this all becomes personal, but to carry on any type of discussion everyone must actually listen and respond to the comments made by others. As a former high school teacher I'm disappointed that apparently our schools are not doing a better job of teaching some basic reading/comprehension/critical thinking/and listening skills. Maybe some folks went to one of those crappy "charter schools" we have around the state.
Once more (and last time):

Bent20 -- The whole point is that the last two previous years against Iowa & Ark they were good teams, but so were we. We should not have appeared to be "outclassed" in those games --- that's my point -- they should have been great, close games --- win or lose .............they were not ! WHY ?

Guardshock -- this is not a "useless" thread -- this is a disturbing trend for ISU teams the past several years. We made something like 5 post-season appearances and except for the NCAA game we did not even show up for any of them. Its not just once -- its a reoccurring trend. Its embarrassing for the team, the school, the coaches, and the ISU fans ---- and probably contributes to our continued low attendance and support.
And for once and all -- this is NOT about the fact that we lose --- its about HOW we lose and trying discuss WHY this re-occurs year after year. Except for the NCAA game, all of our LAST games of the past few seasons should have been competitive/close/fight to the end type of games.

They were not ......................................................
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I've been thinking about this since I left the game with about 10 minutes to go last night and the bottom line to me is that we still don't have good enough players. For us to win we have to follow the game plan to a T and play our asses off. When we don't do that we struggle. Loyola looked quicker at every position last night and used that to their advantage. Once we started missing shots it got in our head and we were done. Still need better talent physically and mentally.
 
Westbadenboy said:
Bally #47

GREAT POST !

You actually addressed the point of this thread !

Thank You !
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WBB, I also meant to comment that football has fallen into the same "habit" and that hoops is not the ONLY affected ISU team. If I understood you correctly, it sounded like you might agree with that. They should ALL try and emulate the T & F teams.
 
Bally #47 said:
WBB, I also meant to comment that football has fallen into the same "habit" and that hoops is not the ONLY affected ISU team. If I understood you correctly, it sounded like you might agree with that. They should ALL try and emulate the T & F teams.
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You had me until you said football was the same. Before this year, I'd agree, but this year, the football team played over their heads. I'd like to think that was a signal that football is breaking its glass ceiling. But basketball and baseball could learn about from t&f.
 

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IndyTreeFan said:
You had me until you said football was the same. Before this year, I'd agree, but this year, the football team played over their heads. I'd like to think that was a signal that football is breaking its glass ceiling. But basketball and baseball could learn about from t&f.
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I agree, I had a little brain fart there. This year's football team broke their string of losing the "big" one. One that had gone on for decades.
 
Just my two cents......we got overmatched against Iowa and Arkansas. Now, Loyola....I think it was just a matter of nightmarish shooting.....25% in the 1st half.....we are 0-11 from behind the arc......if we just shoot a reasonable percentage, it's a ballgame at the half. I think they panicked when there appeared to be a lid on the basket. A lot of shots coming up short...maybe the "neutral court" site hurt us. Then we started hanging our heads and stopped playing defense.

And for whatever reason, we don't seem to make defensive adjustments when it's obvious something is breaking down.....geez....I don't ever remember seeing a team get that many buckets at the rim in one half of basketball.....Loyola had 38 points in the 1st half....and I think at least 30 of those points came within 3 feet of the rim.....
 
Ballypie -- some good points -- thank you.

Still wonder why we did not respond the way UNI did today. They were down and had missed a lot of shots. But they fought back -- we did not.

And I still question if Ark & Iowa were really that much better than us -- as the 2nd/3rd best team in the MVC as we were we should have been a better matchup for them.
 
Ballypie -- some good points -- thank you.

Still wonder why we did not respond the way UNI did today. They were down and had missed a lot of shots. But they fought back -- we did not.

And I still question if Ark & Iowa were really that much better than us -- as the 2nd/3rd best team in the MVC as we were we should have been a better matchup for them.
 
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