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this recent blog was written by indy star writer terry hutchens, who covers iu athletics. he talkes about the stadium upgrades going on in bloomington. but in reading it, it also has some relevance to what is being done at indiana state as well.

"As I toured the North End Zone project at Memorial Stadium last week and heard over and over just how much that was going to help recruiting, I couldn't help but wonder if those words were hollow or actually true? After all, Indiana football recruiting has been at or near the bottom in the Big Ten for so long that you just wonder if there's anything that could really change that. But when you look around the conference, every other school has had periods of recent success in football with the exception of IU. Sure, the Hoosiers did make it to the Insight Bowl following the 2007 season but I've said for a long time that it isn't until you have had a consistent level of success that people will believe that you've turned the corner. And following up that one season of success with last year's 3-9 debacle certainly didn't help matters.

So, can enclosing a 50-year old football stadium really make that much difference for IU football moving forward?

While I don't think it will make a dramatic difference, it certainly is the signal to recruits that the university is serious about trying to support its program and help facilitate change. And in many ways the North End Zone project may be exactly what IU football needs. Now it has a little glitz and glitter. It has a massive 25,000-square foot weight room that will be the first thing recruits see when they walk from the field into the building on a recruiting visit. Step out of the door of the weight room and you have the locker room down one hall and meeting rooms down another . Everything is right there. Step out another door and you're in a hallway that leads to the practice fields. There's also the new Hall of Champions that will be another place to take recruits. The trick there will be adding a few more recent accomplishments that will grab their attention when they're in that space.

The big question is what exactly are recruits looking for when they make a decision of whether or not to attend your school? I think it breaks down like this in no particular order:

1. They want to be successful. Recruits want to go to a school where they'll be playing in bowl games, competing for conference and national championships and playing on national television New Year's Day. Unfortunately for the Hoosiers, IU hasn't been able to use this as a recruiting tool for many, many years. Instead, IU's big recruiting pitch is to come and be on the ground floor of something special and help get the program turned back around.

2. They want to go somewhere that will give them a chance to go to the next level. There are a lot of schools out there that make their pedigree in that respect a huge part of the recruiting process. If you're as good as you think you are, after you've played here four years, you'll have a good chance to play in the NFL. IU has had its share of NFL players and playing in the Big Ten the top talent is going to get noticed. So this has been a recruiting tool the Hoosiers have been able to use.

3. They want the nicest and most up-to-date facilities from the stadium to the weight room and everything in between. Young men are looking for the glitz and glitter. In some cases, they have it right where they're at in high school and then to go on a recruiting visit and find conditions that are less than they have in high school can be disappointing to say the least. And its facilities in particular where IU has lagged behind. When recruits go home and narrow down their choices, this is where IU always gets eliminated. Having the weight rooms and the meeting rooms and all of that that is new and up to date is something that has to help IU in recruiting. And closing in the North End Zone is going to have a dramatic effect on game day, too. Just standing out there last week during practice, it's just a completely different feel. It just feels like a different place.

So there's several different ingredients that help IU in recruiting. The Hoosiers need to win consistently but in order to do that they need to attract the kinds of players that can help them win. And the one intangible that can help attract those athletes is staying close in the arms race and having the facilities that can keep IU involved with a lot of athletes who want to come in and be part of something special. It's a pitch that Bill Lynch has made countless times I'm sure. It's the same pitch that Tom Crean is making, too.

But I don't think there's any question that the new facilities in the long run will help IU be more competitive again on the gridiron."

i think the plans that dr. bradley and ron prettyman have for the isu football program mirrors what is going on at iu. facilitity upgrades top the list, including new offices on campus and a remodeling project at memorial stadium.
 

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So if Memorial Stadium is being upgraded does that mean a new stadium for ISU is likely decades away now? Why renovate if a new stadium can really be built in five years? A new field I can see, but why improve something that will be obsolete and should be torn down if it's not being used?
 
So if Memorial Stadium is being upgraded does that mean a new stadium for ISU is likely decades away now? Why renovate if a new stadium can really be built in five years? A new field I can see, but why improve something that will be obsolete and should be torn down if it's not being used?
Great question. I'd love to see some tenative, yet definitive stadium plans. Like something dead set on location, several mock designs, costs, etc. Honestly, nobody is going to get on board of this until stuff like this is announced.

In doing research about this awhile back, I'd imagine you need between 70-100 acres of land to build the stadium and a couple thousand parking spaces depending on what kind of configuration they went with.

If you're looking at a stadium to emulate, I'd imagine you could do a smaller version of the Rutgers Stadium, which was built in 1994 for $28 million and seats 41,500. Obviously, a stadium on campus would probably only need to seat 20,000, so it could probably be done for that price or a little more (dealing with inflation, increased costs) and you could expand in the future if the program continued to develop -- like Rutgers has.
 
Also, I think it's noteworthy for those that are opposed to a new stadium to realize the impact it could have on the university.

First, a new stadium will go a long way in terms of getting students to the game -- I honestly believe that and will energize and otherwise dead campus on the weakends as you'll also have opponents and their fans on campus as well as a lot of our MVFC opponents travel pretty decently.

Second, the mixed use possibilities of it outside of just Sycamore football could have great impact, not to mention could help pay for the damn thing. For instance, local high schools could have an outdoor commencement as opposed to having it in the Hulman Center. Local area high schools could use it for football games (like North vs South) and with a nicer facility I don't think you could have any problems getting something going like a Wabash Valley Classic where you have a number of teams come in and play. Getting those HS kids on campus could be an excellent recruiting tool not only for the program, but for Indiana State in general.

Outside of that, it could hold concerts -- think of an outdoor country concert in the Wabash Valley. That would go over very well and could be a big moneymaker. I'm sure other folks have tons of ideas, but State really needs to get going on this if for no other reason besides giving Coach Miles and this program a foundation to build upon.
 
the sooner isu can raise the money for a new stadium....

the sooner it will be built....if you got some cash to give, cough it up....lol....as for why are they remodeling memorial stadium, it's because that facility has not been updated in decades...yes, i said decades....in order to keep it a functional facility until a new stadium is built, some remodeling work has to be done....memorial stadium has been pushed to the back of the room when it comes to keeping up with its upkeep over the years....hulman center has had at least three upgrades in terms of locker rooms, flooring, etc., since it's been built as compared to -- with the exception of new turf being installed every four or five years (and not being installed correctly due to lowballing the price and for refusing to hire the right people to put it in each time) -- hardly any major upgrades have been done to memorial stadium....

from what i understand, engineers who have looked at memorial stadium have told school officials that work needs to be done to it to keep it workable....so here is the quandry...do you not do anything to memorial stadium while you are trying to build an on-campus facility...let it further deteriorate...or do you do some upgrading to keep it in good working order UNTIL a new stadium is built on campus...

everybody wants things done NOW...but it takes time....the rebuilding of the program...TAKES TIME....gathering the finances for a new stadium...TAKES TIME....heck i didn't see any artist drawings of the new baseball stadium until right after it was announced that it was going to built....it happened quickly....so i would gather the same idea applies to a new football stadium...we'll see drawings and sketches WHEN the money had been gathered and a location determined where a new stadium will be...
 
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the sooner it will be built....if you got some cash to give, cough it up....lol....as for why are they remodeling memorial stadium, it's because that facility has not been updated in decades...yes, i said decades....in order to keep it a functional facility until a new stadium is built, some remodeling work has to be done....memorial stadium has been pushed to the back of the room when it comes to keeping up with its upkeep over the years....hulman center has had at least three upgrades in terms of locker rooms, flooring, etc., since it's been built as compared to -- with the exception of new turf being installed (and not being installed correctly due to lowballing the price and hiring the right people to put it in each time) -- hardly any major upgrades done to memorial stadium....

from what i understand, engineers who have looked at memorial stadium have told school officials that work needs to be done to it to keep it workable....so here is the quandry...do you not do anything to memorial stadium while you are trying to build an on-campus facility...let it further deteriorate...or do you do some upgrading to keep it in good working order UNTIL a new stadium is built on campus...

everybody wants things done NOW...but it takes time....the rebuilding of the program...TAKES TIME....gathering the finances for a new stadium...TAKES TIME....heck i8 didn't see any artist drawings of the new baseball stadium until a right after it was announced that it was going to built....it happened quickly....so i would gather the same idea applies to a new football stadium...we'll see drawings and sketches WHEN the money had been gathered and a location determined where a new stadium will be...

That's the backwards way of doing things if you're not funding the project yourself.

Boosters, donors and alumni are not just going to back up the Brinks truck with nothing more than an idea of a new stadium. These folks, like any investor, need to be sold. The University needs to form a committee to come up with 2 or 3 different proposals that include a design, location and a price tag for making it happen. Once they have these, they need to hold an open forum for interested parties and then sell those people.

Additionally, they need to get folks outside of the University on the committee. It should be folks form the athletics department, some former players, some alumni, some current students, so on and so forth. This is the only way this is going to work -- to get absolutely everyone involved and form a grass roots type of movement.
 

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if you've got the phone number of dr. bradley and ron prettyman....

give them a ring....i'm sure that they'd be glad for any imput and help in putting this project together....i don't recall any major committees when it came to building a new baseball stadium....but if that is what it takes for a new football stadium, go for it...lol...

it's easy to sit on the sidelines and tell everybody what should be done....now is the time for people to get off their collective butts and get involved....i am...anybody else interested?????
 
by the way.....

we'll have 22 foursomes of golfers and over 100 people attending a luncheon prior to friday's isu football golf fundraiser at idle creek golf course....if any of you have any ideas on how to raise money for a new stadium...come on out....dr. bradley, ron prettyman, trent miles and a bunch of former players will be there with their ears open....waiting for any good suggestions....
 
give them a ring....i'm sure that they'd be glad for any imput and help in putting this project together....i don't recall any major committees when it came to building a new baseball stadium....but if that is what it takes for a new football stadium, go for it...lol...

it's easy to sit on the sidelines and tell everybody what should be done....now is the time for people to get off their collective butts and get involved....i am...anybody else interested?????

I'd be more than happy to sit on a committee if and when it got started.

However, the ball needs to begin rolling in the Athletics office since any such committee would require a great deal of interaction among several departments at State. That is my whole point -- something OFFICIAL needs to come out of their office.
 
we'll have 22 foursomes of golfers and over 100 people attending a luncheon prior to friday's isu football golf fundraiser at idle creek golf course....if any of you have any ideas on how to raise money for a new stadium...come on out....dr. bradley, ron prettyman, trent miles and a bunch of former players will be there with their ears open....waiting for any good suggestions....

You're still putting the cart before the horse.

I, or any other idea person, can come out and give you 10,000 fundraising ideas but without a vision, they're just plain ole fundraising ideas. The first step needs to come in the form of a couple architecural concepts and design plans.
 
and how do you know that they don't already have that????

i have seen the drawings and sketches for phase one of the remodeling project at memorial stadium....one step at a time....get one thing done, move on to the next....

now don't get me wrong people...and i apologize for showing some anger and passion here....but this has become a very personal issue to me....

i have sat there while i attended and then worked at isu and saw absolultely nothing being done to fix up memorial stadium or do anything positive from a facilities standpoint for the isu football program (with the exception of the turf, which had to be replaced often due to the shoddy work done when installing it in the first place).

now, when things are being discussed and positive moves are being done for the program...all i see are some people wanting to pick things apart....do this...dont do that...why dont they do this...what havent they done that....

where has everybody been for the last 25 years?????.....now they're interested?????...give me a break.....they're kind of late to the party.....

but that's okay....we need all the help that we can get....but i do get a little weary of seeing and reading of people trying to rain on the isu football program's parade....

i have built up a base of former players, coaches, student managers and student trainers through an isu football alumni newsletter and facebook page. over 100 people in each group. i did that myself, with some help from the university in terms of tracking people down.

almost to a person i have heard very positive things now about the isu football program. a lot of those people want to contribute to the building of a new football stadium on campus.

we had a group of former players give the football program a check for $10,000 last fall. they did that on their own, without any committee meetings or without any focus groups. they did it because of their love of the program and for the fondness of their unversity. and they did in just a few weeks time from start of the idea to the presentation of the check.

they are seeing positive steps being taken at indiana state in regards to football. so in some ways, the foundation for a new stadiium is in the process of being laid right now.

i am soooooooooooooooo tired of the negative talk regarding the football program. i am doing what i can to help the situation get better. i'd be glad to have people join in with me. but it takes actual work and not standing on the sidelines.
 

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If you're going to get angry over the past, not much I can do to help you there. The past is exactly that -- the past and there is absolutely no point in crying over woulda, coulda, shouldas. The University has failed quite a few sports programs by not acting on things when they should have -- you of all people should know that.

I'm just curious, but what did that $10,000 go towards? Did your group earmark it to go towards a certain project or did it just go into the general fund? Did you guys tell them you wanted that towards the new stadium? If so, great... there is $10k already in the project coffers.

Also, who is being negative about the football program? I'm the only people really discussing this and I have not been negative once -- I'm all for the development of the football program and a new stadium. Football programs are often the breadwinners of any college athletics department and I don't see why State could not have the same thing happen.

What I keep stressing and you keep totally missing is you cannot act without a plan. So let's start from square one -- You want people to get involved? Great... what do you want them to do?

PLAN THEN ACT. Not the reverse. By the way... I've only been out of school for going on 8 years now. I'm just now to the point where I can get involved in the alumni association groups, etc.
 
but what you keep mssing....is that a plan may already be in place....

just because we haven't heard anything just yet, it doesn't mean that a plan for a new stadium isn't already in place or is in the process of being formulated....

everybody wants a plan RIGHT NOW....like i said, first things first...get the remodeling of memorial stadium done...while that is happening, continue to work on plans for a new stadium....

just as i hear talk about a new football stadium, i heard the same things about a new baseball stadium...it was discussed...rumored....but there wasn't any hard facts on anything....until there was the announcement by ron prettyman....and then a a little later came the artists drawing of what the new baseball stadium was going to look like....

maybe you saw those drawings before hand...but i dont think most people did....the same thing is going to happen with the football stadium....officials are trying to get all their ducks in a row before we're going to see anything publicly....

do we know who the isu alum in california is who is suppsoedly helping with the money on the new baseball stadium?....i haven't heard any names mentioned....it doesnt mean that person didn't donated some funds...we just haven't heard who it is....

i know that there are things going on behind the scenes....but i don't think that we're going to be seeing any marching bands going down wabash avenue proclaiming 'we have an announcement' until everything is checked out and plans are ironed out....

i am not trying to be argumentative with you...really i'm not....and i'm not mad at you....but i think that we just need to slow down and take our time with this....

as for the $10,000 donation, it was given to the football program to use in any way that they saw fit in terms of facilities, equipment, new offices, etc.

and i extend an invitation to you to come join us at the golf fundraiser on friday. if you don't golf, come out and meet the former players and coaches.
 
No, I understand that. There were rumors before I was a student about a new stadium. There were rumors when I was a student about a new stadium. There are rumors 8 years after I graduated about a new stadium. There is only one thing that has been consistent in all of this -- rumors. This is why I'm not convinced anything will ever be done.

If you want to look at a school that did it the right way, look at North Texas and how they're getting their stadium built. They've used the students and alumni and the grass roots approach has gotten the thing done. I believe they're just waiting on final approvals and they're going to break ground but the story on how they got it done is very cool.
 
Also, I don't golf, but I couldn't make it anyway. Having kids, I'm not able to just drop things on a short notice. Next time there is an event, make sure to give advance notice and I'll work it in.

Also, had I known about it, I would have mentioned it at the Indiana State Alumni Happy Hour I attended last week downtown.
 

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but there is a difference now....from past years....when it comes to rumors....

indiana state finally has a president and an athletic director who are on the same page....isu hasn't had that in a very, very, very, very, very, very long time...since the days of dr. landini and bob king....

president's like dr. moore and dr. benjamin didn't give two hoots about the football program....athetic directors like andrea myers cared more about the women's basketball team succeeding and title iX....football was on the back, back, back, back, back back burner....

i was there working in the athletic department at the time...i saw it happen...or not happen as it were.....i am not kidding when i say that the football program became the poor, poor, poor, poor stepchild of the athletic department....and that when you treat a program like crap, crap is gonna be what you get in return.....

you have two people in bradley and prettyman who want to see the facilities for athletics at indiana state upgraded....prettyman knows how to root out people who will donate....and a lot of former players and alums have held on to their money over the years because they were told that the couldnt give specificially to football or football-related projects...the monies had to go into a general athletic fund...and then football never saw the money....

where did isu get the money to build the soccer field over by the baseball stadium? from the money isu got from playing oklahoma in football a few years back....it didnt go to football...it went to help start the women's soccer program and build them a field...it shoudl have been called sooner field...lol....

alums...former players....didnt want to give money back until they saw that athletic and university officials were serious about helping the football program succeed....and they see that now in bradley and prettyman....

so...to make a long story shorter....now they see that committment.....
 
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by the way....i did give advance notice...lol....

i started threads on here...a couple of them in fact...about the golf outing....how to register, where its at, when its going to be held....

and i dont golf either...i go around in a golf cart with dennis raetz or trent miles....watch everybody else golf...listen to dennis critique the golfers...lol...have a few beers....and have a good time reconnecting with former players and coaches.....
 
Tom - I think the majority here have been very positive and upbeat about the football program and it's nice to see the effort you're putting into it with getting people to contribute. I think Svoboda has raised some good points here, too, though. If the university wants alumni to contribute and feel involved they need to be as open as possible. Things are heading in the right direction and that's encouraging. I just wonder how much sense it makes to renovate the stadium if we're not going to use it much longer - four, five years. Why not put that money toward the new stadium?
 
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