Basketball/Football Spending Since 2003

[Jason Svoboda]

This has been posted in several other threads, but figured I'd break it out and put it into its own thread in case people would like to discuss. Also shows year-over-year changes between programs in the conferences.

Football budgets since 2003:

2003 - $1,506,202
2004 - $1,694,795
2005 - $1,809,916
2006 - $1,736,243
2007 - $2,081,579
2008 - $2,033,169
2009 - $2,350,468
2010 - $2,649,218
2011 - $3,166,886
2012 - $2,859,361
2013 - $3,183,454
2014 - $3,432,997
2015 - $3,896,248
2016 - $4,048,548
2017 - $4,278,008

Basketball budgets since 2003:

2003 - $1,458,287
2004 - $1,120,742
2005 - $1,158,318
2006 - $1,200,460
2007 - $1,302,547
2008 - $1,248,174
2009 - $1,340,015
2010 - $1,445,143
2011 - $1,704,707
2012 - $1,695,685
2013 - $1,605,635
2014 - $1,886,004
2015 - $1,832,975
2016 - $1,866,603
2017 - $2,055,794

Total Money Spend Since 2003:

Football: $36,449,084
Basketball: $20,865,295

2016-2017 MVFC Football Expenses

$5,281,392 - North Dakota State
$4,048,610 - Southern Illinois
$4,048,548 - Indiana State
$4,023,675 - Youngstown State
$4,016,804 - Illinois State
$3,599,407 - Missouri State
$3,588,676 - South Dakota
$3,549,488 - Northern Iowa
$3,356,974 - South Dakota State
$3,258,851 - Western Illinois

2016-2017 MVC Basketball Expenses

$3,359,417 - Bradley
$2,933,596 - Drake
$2,856,369 - Northern Iowa
$2,821,576 - Loyola
$2,622,979 - Evansville
$2,506,636 - Missouri State
$2,397,794 - Valparaiso
$2,311,466 - Illinois State
$2,093,251 - Southern Illinois
$1,866,603 - Indiana State

Source: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Year-over-year change comparison:

2015-2016 MVC Basketball Expenses

$6,920,933 - Wichita State (no football)
$3,128,419 - Bradley (no football)
$2,899,699 - Northern Iowa
$2,899,667 - Evansville (no football)
$2,745,553 - Loyola (no football)
$2,472,212 - Drake (non-scholarship football)
$2,452,961 - Illinois State
$2,279,917 - Missouri State
$2,241,413 - Southern Illinois
$1,832,975 - Indiana State

2016-2017 MVC Basketball Expenses

$3,359,417 - Bradley
$2,933,596 - Drake
$2,856,369 - Northern Iowa
$2,821,576 - Loyola
$2,622,979 - Evansville
$2,506,636 - Missouri State
$2,397,794 - Valparaiso
$2,311,466 - Illinois State
$2,093,251 - Southern Illinois
$1,866,603 - Indiana State

2015-2016 MVFC Football Expenses

$4,647,923 - North Dakota State
$4,062,137 - Illinois State
$4,019,362 - North Dakota
$3,949,953 - Youngstown State
$3,896,248 - Indiana State
$3,834,721 - Southern Illinois
$3,631,109 - Northern Iowa
$3,561,150 - Missouri State
$3,415,555 - South Dakota
$3,259,104 - Western Illinois
$2,926,564 - South Dakota State

2016-2017 MVFC Football Expenses

$5,281,392 - North Dakota State
$4,048,610 - Southern Illinois
$4,048,548 - Indiana State
$4,023,675 - Youngstown State
$4,016,804 - Illinois State
$3,599,407 - Missouri State
$3,588,676 - South Dakota
$3,549,488 - Northern Iowa
$3,356,974 - South Dakota State
$3,258,851 - Western Illinois

 

[Jason Svoboda]

2017-2018 OpEd data is now available. Football up to $4.2m, basketball up to $2m.

2017-2018 MVC Basketball Expenses

$6,194,444 - Loyola
$3,555,837 - Bradley
$3,231,007 - Evansville
$3,070,453 - Missouri State
$3,024,333 - Northern Iowa
$2,696,222 - Drake
$2,693,562 - Valparaiso
$2,209,131 - Illinois State
$2,127,894 - Southern Illinois
$2,055,794 - Indiana State

2016-2017 MVC Basketball Expenses

$3,359,417 - Bradley
$2,933,596 - Drake
$2,856,369 - Northern Iowa
$2,821,576 - Loyola
$2,622,979 - Evansville
$2,506,636 - Missouri State
$2,397,794 - Valparaiso
$2,311,466 - Illinois State
$2,093,251 - Southern Illinois
$1,866,603 - Indiana State

Haven't looked at MVFC data as I only saw this because Mark Edwards posted about the new data being out.

 

[Sycamorefan96]

Loyola must want to stay good. They increased their spending by $3 million in one year. They are now way in front of everyone.

 

[TreeTop]

I saw that Mark Adams tweeted yesterday that the average D1 budget for Men's Basketball is approximately 3 million.

That is not the average mid-major budget, that includes ALL budgets, from the Kentucky's down to the Chicago States.

 

[4Q_iu]

Loyola must want to stay good. They increased their spending by $3 million in one year. They are now way in front of everyone.

Likely easy for them to manage; quick glance sez their univ. endowment is ~10x the amount of ours...
Amazing what a Final Four run and not supporting a football team can do for a MBB program

 

[WOZ]

Likely easy for them to manage; quick glance sez their univ. endowment is ~10x the amount of ours...
Amazing what a Final Four run and not supporting a football team can do for a MBB program

Nothing really new here.
They’ve always had a much larger endowment than us based primarily on their outstanding medical and law schools.
And their Final Four appearance, along with a large (friendly) media market certainly helped too.

 

[Gotta Hav]

This has been posted in several other threads, but figured I'd break it out and put it into its own thread in case people would like to discuss. Also shows year-over-year changes between programs in the conferences.

Football budgets since 2003:

2003 - $1,506,202
2004 - $1,694,795
2005 - $1,809,916
2006 - $1,736,243
2007 - $2,081,579
2008 - $2,033,169
2009 - $2,350,468
2010 - $2,649,218
2011 - $3,166,886
2012 - $2,859,361
2013 - $3,183,454
2014 - $3,432,997
2015 - $3,896,248
2016 - $4,048,548
2017 - $4,278,008

Basketball budgets since 2003:

2003 - $1,458,287
2004 - $1,120,742
2005 - $1,158,318
2006 - $1,200,460
2007 - $1,302,547
2008 - $1,248,174
2009 - $1,340,015
2010 - $1,445,143
2011 - $1,704,707
2012 - $1,695,685
2013 - $1,605,635
2014 - $1,886,004
2015 - $1,832,975
2016 - $1,866,603
2017 - $2,055,794

Source: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics

So what you're saying is, having a budget of $143,584 for EACH Basketball scholarship is just AWFUL, but $64,262 for EACH FOOTBALL scholarship is EMBARRASSINGLY OVER BUDGET.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

So what you're saying is, having a budget of $143,584 for EACH Basketball scholarship is just AWFUL, but $64,262 for EACH FOOTBALL scholarship is EMBARRASSINGLY OVER BUDGET.

All player scholarships are valued at the same cost... well, unless they're out of state. But if that's the math you want to use -- sure.

 

[sycamore tuff]

All player scholarships are valued at the same cost... well, unless they're out of state. But if that's the math you want to use -- sure.

I didn't check the math but I agree with his concept. I think the cost for a chess team that plays all their games on the internet would be really cheap.

 

[Gotta Hav]

All player scholarships are valued at the same cost... well, unless they're out of state. But if that's the math you want to use -- sure.

Just trying to understand what the relevancy of the numbers are, since one number being smaller than another is NOT apples-and-apples. Right???

I guess the best way to try wrap what the annual budget number means versus another is, what should the BUDGET be for 100 players, plus 20 coaches/aides/technicians/assistants and a large OUTDOOR venue to keep, lotsa travel, equipment and uniform costs, etc.

Let's just divide football budget of $4,278,008 by 120 people. That's $35,650 per person.

And what's the total headcount for basketball? Let's be generous and say it's THIRTY.

So $2,055,794 basketball budget divided by 30 people is $68,526 per head!!!

Just dividing it up by overall headcounts, the money that basketball is receiving is double the amount of money per person, between the two budgets.

$68,526 for basketball and only $35,650 for football......so there's my way of trying figure out what it all means, unless you have spreadsheets to provide.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Just trying to understand what the relevancy of the numbers are, since one number being smaller than another is NOT apples-and-apples. Right???

I guess the best way to try wrap what the annual budget number means versus another is, what should the BUDGET be for 100 players, plus 20 coaches/aides/technicians/assistants and a large OUTDOOR venue to keep, lotsa travel, equipment and uniform costs, etc.

Let's just divide football budget of $4,278,008 by 120 people. That's $35,650 per person.

And what's the total headcount for basketball? Let's be generous and say it's THIRTY.

So $2,055,794 basketball budget divided by 30 people is $68,526 per head!!!

Just dividing it up by overall headcounts, the money that basketball is receiving is double the amount of money per person, between the two budgets.

$68,526 for basketball and only $35,650 for football......so there's my way of trying figure out what it all means, unless you have spreadsheets to provide.

The relevancy is to see the year-over-year increase for each program. You can see the school's commitment financially to football and the lack of commitment to basketball, which like it or not, is the flagship program being that football is a FCS program. FCS, again like it or not, does not move the needle save for North Dakota State and a few rare others that have low major basketball programs.

The scholarships are just one piece of the numbers listed above. And when they're bean counted, each scholarship holds the same value regardless of the sport.

If you want to get super technical and draw "apples to apples" don't forget that you must nearly account 1:1 a women's opportunity for each scholarship and the women's hoops team actually counts 15 where men's hoops gives 13 so basketball is actually a net 2 for women. So while football is only 63, you have 63 more to provide to women thanks to Title IX. But again, all of that is immaterial funny math when just looking at the year-over-year numbers showing commitment.

But draw whatever conclusions you wish... it makes for some conversation on what has been a dead board.