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big ten advocating return to Freshman INELIGIBILITY
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So "if" this passed. This would help us getting those tweener recruits that could go major or star at a school like ISU right?
Not at all. You can be sure of only one thing. If the P5 passes it, it will end up being bad for everyone but them. I can see them letting freshmen play at non-P5 schools, getting rid of the "sitting out for a year" transfer rule, and then cherry picking the best of the rest of the NCAA. Kinda like getting to see the kids play before commiting to a scholarship.
Trust me, this will NOT benefit us, or anyone else non-P5.
I think they would raise the scholarship limit to 15 and it would reduce the talent pool for mid-majors.
Something has to be done about the one-and-dones.
If a freshman practices with the team and finds out he's in over his head, he should be allowed to transfer without sitting out.
Something has to be done about the one-and-dones.
If a freshman practices with the team and finds out he's in over his head, he should be allowed to transfer without sitting out.
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Does it though? I would really like to see the percentage of players that are one and dones.
It's just my personal opinion, but I don't want to see teams like UK dominate with the pre-NBA players. They are supposed to be student-athletes. They don't even have to go to class in the spring semester.
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They need to do it like baseball. Go pro after high school or wait 3 years. This one and done stuff is a joke.
niklz62
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why would the NBA care about 1 and done for the sake of the NCAA.
I assume it will be over for UK about a year and a half after Calapari goes to the NBA because sanctions are coming down for the school for more cheating.
I assume it will be over for UK about a year and a half after Calapari goes to the NBA because sanctions are coming down for the school for more cheating.
It's happened at every other school that cheat has coached at, so I doubt UK will be any different...
I don't see scholie numbers INCREASING. Title IX will keep that in check AND even with "full cost" being an issue, it'll become MORE of an issue if they add scholies.
Title IX will be the biggest hurdle for any MBB scholie increases.
I think they would have to.
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I agree with you.
And to back up what ITF said, if this is being brought to the table by the Big 10, it is going to favor the P5. Their goal is to make 100% sure that no championships and all the money go to that group of schools. This is why small schools not standing up and allowing the P5 to walk away with autonomy was such a monumental mistake.
Let's not forget that when there was no freshman eligibility that schools had a LOT more scholarships to work with. I believe they gave football 105 and 18 to basketball. Finally, the P5 schools aren't balking at FCOA for ALL sports so they'll kindly add the extra beans and continue to price/spend everyone else out of competing.
They don't and there is a reason why they changed the rule to make players require at least one year of college. During the mid to the mid 00s when a ton of HS kids were coming out, GMs couldn't help themselves drafting on "potential" and for ever Kevin Garnett there was a Korleone Young and Leon Rose. Some kids are ready to come out of HS... LeBron, Kevin Garnett but MOST aren't. Even Kobe Bryant wasn't. It took him 2 years to become a productive NBA player. The NBA is a private organization and has every right to dictate conditions for employment.
That said, just as the NBA can protect their product, sports media and fans shouldn't be up in arms for the NCAA wanting to do the same. The amount spent in the current system per athlete is pretty significant and this is without FCOA and salaries as folks like yourself (I read your Facebook) think these student-athletes deserve. So what is the solution? IMO, they need to blow up the entire system up.
Have to... increase scholies?
for competitive reasons?
If that's what you mean, I understand your point.
IMO -- this entire issue is a dead issue.
The ACC and $EC are NOT going to back an issue like this.
If the ENTIRE NCAA doesn't do it (and they won't), no single conference will do it.
I understand the Big Ten's perspective, it simply ISN'T going to happen.
Where did you find those stats?
I dug through some different websites and could only find current limits; I remember when MBB and WBB were 15, I've never heard anything as high as 18.
I also remember when the 'current' P5 conferences would routinely carry 120+ scholarship football players...
BUT I've also read news clippings from the '50s-'60s that MBB teams would have ~3-4 scholarships...
I don't think any limits came into play until ~1950 and they've ebbed and flowed until the early 1970s.
Title IX has intentionally/Unintentionally "established" a framework that even the P5 conferences will NOT be able to circumvent.
I know the FB numbers from previous reading and the 18 number has been mentioned by multiple coaches that have been interviewed recently.
Title IX doesn't apply here. The P5 schools don't give a shit. They've already said they will cover FCOA and pay a stipend for EVERY athlete, not just revenue sports. Do you really think they'll care about adding 40-50 more when they can pull more cash in from TV/media deals?
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You really don't need to over think this. If the P5 are proposing it, it will be driven by two goals: 1) increase the power and $$$ of the P5, and 2) drive everyone else out of collegiate athletics. That's all they are interested in.
The truly sad thing is the number of non-P5 schools that voted for all the P5 proposals. Like lambs to the slaughter...
Mark my word, and I've been saying this for a few years now, we'll soon find ourselves with a new men's basketball tournament for the non-P5 schools (hello NIT), as the P5 will work, incrementally, towards making the current NCAA tournament for them only. It's coming. It might take a while, but they have already discussed limiting non-P5 conferences to ONE representative per year in the NCAA tournament. Yeah, it's coming...
The truly sad thing is the number of non-P5 schools that voted for all the P5 proposals. Like lambs to the slaughter...
Mark my word, and I've been saying this for a few years now, we'll soon find ourselves with a new men's basketball tournament for the non-P5 schools (hello NIT), as the P5 will work, incrementally, towards making the current NCAA tournament for them only. It's coming. It might take a while, but they have already discussed limiting non-P5 conferences to ONE representative per year in the NCAA tournament. Yeah, it's coming...
Honestly, I'm fine with that. I quit watching FBS football and only watch basketball games that have at least one mid-major school involved. Honestly say I enjoy it. I really enjoyed FCS football last year.
So much so that I'm working on another ISU web property that will have historical results for our football team. Hope to have the bones of it done within the next week or so and have it online for people to check out.
I'm the same way. I'm now at the point where I find the FBS football (and to an extent, basketball) marketing machine to be almost nauseating.
It's like drinking beer while playing golf. At first you like it and it helps, but eventually you get to the point where it's gone too far.
I really think there is a market out there for collegiate athletics, not NFL and NBA farm teams. It's apparent to everyone but P5 administrators that the biggest reason people watch the NCAA basketball tournament is to see Indiana State beat Oklahoma, and Valpo beat Mississippi State, and Wichita State (or George Mason) make the Final Four. For the most part, the general population doesn't care about Michigan State beating Duke (again). It might take a while to catch on, but there's a reason that MLB farm systems aren't huge in America...
Leave the NCAA. Form a new association. It's the only way to save college athletics at the 250+ non-P5 D-I schools...