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I go over to MVCfans.com from time to time just to see what other valley fans have to say. Contrary to what some people on this site think, a lot of Valley fans think he is a very good coach. Today someone posted the Arch Madness records of the current Valley coaches and Lansing is at the top with a 7-3 tournament record. Out of his 4 opportunities his teams have lost on Friday 1 time, Saturday 1 time, Sunday 1 time and won the championship once. Pretty impressive and I hope we make another run this year. I've criticized him at times, but you can't argue his record. I think it's safe to say he's the best coaching bargain in the Valley.
 

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My only problem with MVCFans is our own bonehead fans that post on the site...

Lansing is an excellent value play for Indiana State. He's done a heck of a job with this team. Geno Ford had a lot of good things to say about what Lansing has done with this team.
 
My biggest problem with MVC fans is that very few of them A. Know a lot about basketball and B. Know much about any other team besides their own. I jump over their from time to time and always get a laugh. People cannot break away from their team "glasses" and post through that prism. The post comments that show they don't know anything about other teams in the league and they know even less about the sport.

Basically it has dissolved into a place to puff your chest out and brag about your team or rag on another, weaker team. Very little deep, intellectual discussions going on over there.

All that said I do feel that Lansing, Marsall and Jacobsen are the best coaches in the league (in no particular order). Crazy as it may seem, I think Geno Ford is underrated, and if given another year or two will prove that. I think Mullens is the weakest coach, so much talent and so many bonehead plays by his team. So undisciplined.
 
The grass is always greener. That's about all you can say about Lansing's critics. Is he perfect? No. He'd probably be gone by now if he was, but he wins consistently. This might our worst year under Lansing and we're still well above .500 in conference play.

I believe he has the best winning percentage for an ISU coach since Bill Hodges. Waltman, for as much as he was loved, was well below .500.
 
we are definitely getting A LOT of bang for our buck with Lansing and our program in general. I think this year is the first year Lansing is getting credit for his coaching only because we don't have Odum and we didn't know if Lansing was winning those games or Odum.

Lansing owns:

25% of our tournament appearances
50% of our NIT appearances
33% of our MVC tourney Championships
40% of our MVC tournament championship game apperances

not bad for arguably the oldest program in the country
 
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treeman said:
we are definitely getting A LOT of bang for our buck with Lansing and our program in general. I think this year is the first year Lansing is getting credit for his coaching only because we don't have Odum and we didn't know if Lansing was winning those games or Odum.

Lansing owns:

25% of our tournament appearances
50% of our NIT appearances
33% of our MVC tourney Championships
20% of our MVC tournament championship game apperances

not bad for arguably the oldest program in the country
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Pretty sad considering he's only in his fifth season. I still harbor a bunch of animosity for the administrators who let the athletic program (and fanbase and donations and positive publicity) go into the toilet for 30 years. If it weren't for those incompetent (and sometimes, purposefully destructive) boobs, we might not be in all the trouble we're in.

And Lansing would have to work a lot harder to be that high on your lists. Not that he's done a bad job, because he hasn't.
 
bent20 said:
The grass is always greener. That's about all you can say about Lansing's critics. Is he perfect? No. He'd probably be gone by now if he was, but he wins consistently. This might our worst year under Lansing and we're still well above .500 in conference play.

I believe he has the best winning percentage for an ISU coach since Bill Hodges. Waltman, for as much as he was loved, was well below .500.
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Waltman's record at State was 134-164; .450 winning pct -- hardly 'well below' .500.

There was a bit of talent drop after Renn and Menser graduated; Moss torn hamstring sunk another season. And there were a LOT of close, CLOSE losses over his ten years...
 
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Waltman's record at State was 134-164; .450 winning pct -- hardly 'well below' .500.

There was a bit of talent drop after Renn and Menser graduated; Moss torn hamstring sunk another season. And there were a LOT of close losses; over his ten years...
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30 games? So basically 2 seasons?

I don't think you need to be defense as this thread is about Lansing and what he means to this program. Lansing is ALWAYS quick to credit or mention coach Waltman - does it often in his post game.

Lansing has done a number for our program, other coaches and other teams fans see it about time our own fans start appriciating the effort he and his staff have done! Hell of a job and hell they don't even like me.
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
30 games? So basically 2 seasons?

I don't think you need to be defense as this thread is about Lansing and what he means to this program. Lansing is ALWAYS quick to credit or mention coach Waltman - does it often in his post game.

Lansing has done a number for our program, other coaches and other teams fans see it about time our own fans start appriciating the effort he and his staff have done! Hell of a job and hell they don't even like me.
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I don't feel I was being defensive towards Waltman; though our own SID office CONSISTENTLY mis-calculates his W-L record at State; which in turn ensures the national media uses BAD DATA.

I think Lansing is doing a great job given our resources, market, etc; I hope we don't lose him in the near future -- though I won't be surprised if we do.

And for the record, I would HOPE Lansing give Waltman credit/praise --- after all it was Waltman who gave him his start in Div I ball AND allowed him to return to the State staff.

Congratulations to Coach Lansing and the staff on passing Wally Marks for 6th place on the State Wins list!! --- Gordon Stauffer is only 30 wins away -- I hope Lansing adds 10+ wins to his total before THIS season is over!
 
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I don't feel I was being defensive towards Waltman; though our own SID office CONSISTENTLY mis-calculates his W-L record at State; which in turn ensures the national media uses BAD DATA.

I think Lansing is doing a great job given our resources, market, etc; I hope we don't lose him in the near future -- though I won't be surprised if we do.

And for the record, I would HOPE Lansing give Waltman credit/praise --- after all it was Waltman who gave him his start in Div I ball AND allowed him to return to the State staff.

Congratulations to Coach Lansing and the staff on passing Wally Marks for 6th place on the State Wins list!! --- Gordon Stauffer is only 30 wins away -- I hope Lansing adds 10+ wins to his total before THIS season is over!
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Well said. Thanks!
 

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To clarify, I wasn't trying to be overly critical of Waltman. He was a very good coach early on at State, but he definitely struggled toward the end of his career and many people seem to ignore that. The stats I went by were from Wikipedia and a .450 winning percentage is well below .500. It's the third lowest winning percentage among the 15 head coaches listed on the Wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_State_Sycamores_men's_basketball

Getting back to Lansing. Is it fair to say Waltman was a better coach because he got the team two NCAA Tournaments and won a game? Lansing clearly has more wins and has yet to have a losing season.
 
Good question Bent and alhough Lansing would probably say Waltman is a better coach because he is that kind of guy - I don't beleive that to be the case here.

I don't mean to discount anything that Waltman did - much of his success happened when I was a kid, hell I attended 3 of his basketball camps for goodness sakes.

But I can still speak to those teams and the teams Lansing has had. I think this University is a pressed for resources finically than it ever has been before. Lansing has over come that. I think our conference is a good in the past 5 years as it ever has been before. Lansing has over come that. I think our roster as a whole is maybe less talented than some of our past rosters (Steve Heart, Jayson Wells, Kante, Block, Menser, Renn - the list goes on) and Lansing has over come that.

I think he is one hell of coach. I don't think (and no offense to them as they are fine ball players) that Lathan, Richards, Printy, Walker quite measure up to some of the names Waltman and others had to work with (realize a bit of overlap in my list).

He's done more with less than maybe any coach in the country and he is still here. He aint perfect, hell no he aint. I wrote Ron Prettyman himself a few years ago after Lansing walked out on SR night and failed to address the crowd (we only had a SR manager that yeae) and Lansing and RP both replied to my e-mail. I talk to Coach (whom I know personally prior to this) and he appologized for it. He owned it and offered a public appology.

Greg Lansing has earned our respect. If not in past years then maybe this year - he's done a number with this team! We were bad and he got them to respond, I aint taking that for granted.
 
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To clarify, I wasn't trying to be overly critical of Waltman. He was a very good coach early on at State, but he definitely struggled toward the end of his career and many people seem to ignore that. The stats I went by were from Wikipedia and a .450 winning percentage is well below .500. It's the third lowest winning percentage among the 15 head coaches listed on the Wikipedia page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_State_Sycamores_men's_basketball

Getting back to Lansing. Is it fair to say Waltman was a better coach because he got the team two NCAA Tournaments and won a game? Lansing clearly has more wins and has yet to have a losing season.
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The struggles came down to some recruiting issues; David Moss' injury and Coach Waltman's own illness.

He was 41-44 in close games (games decided by 5 pts or less); if 15 of those losses go our way, he's a .500 coach. Perhaps if Moss doesn't tear that hammy, if Adam Arnold RETURNS for his SR season... if Isiah Martin progresses from his FROSH season... maybe that 'close game' record is 80-5... a lot of if's in that sentence.

Part of my perspective on Waltman is also that he succeeded at DePauw (National Finalist) and UIndy (#1 in polls); he won 100 games or more at each of those stops; add in his PA High School coaching and he looks even better. I have confidence that our 2011 NCAA won't be Lansing's last at State.
 
I think there are several reasons Coach Waltman is loved around here. 1) He brought winning back to a program that hadn't seen a winning team in over 20 years. 2) He beat IU several times and even when we didn't beat them you felt like he outcoached them. 3) He took us to the tournament 2 years in a row and won a game. 4)With the right talent he could coach with the best of them. 5) He was funny and seemed like he really liked being at ISU. 6) Time heals a lot of wounds and with his passing it made us think about the good times more than the bad. I really liked Coach, but at the end of his tenure we all new it was time for a change. He was pissed at first, but I think even he realized he didn't get the job done the last couple years. RIP Coach Waltman.
 
I loved Coach Waltman. He was the best basketball coach I've ever seen. I honestly don't think that Knight, Coach K, Boeheim, or those guys could do what he did at ISU, with the constraints he faced. I still believe much of the struggle he had over his last six or seven years was a direct result of health issues, both his and his wife's. But give him a decently talented team, and a few days to "coach 'em up," and he could beat anyone!

I'm beginning to believe Lansing is getting that same type of vibe. He's not the X's and O's coach that Royce was, but Royce had a bit of experience on him...

I believe that we're fortunate to have Coach, and that he'll only get better. Let's hope he wants to stay for a good, long while.
 

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There is more to coaching than what happens on the court. Good stats are great but the real product quality is what you get at graduation. I think coach has that in mind.
Waltman's teams always competed hard,,,,,especially after his jacket hit the floor !
 
nwi stater said:
Something I'll always remember with Coach Waltman... He made iu fear us!!!!
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"I don't know if we have any more games scheduled with these guys, but if we do we need to buy out the contract and never schedule them again" Comment made on the air by their color commentator (the job coach Waltman later had) during a real close game at iu that we won in I think the 1999-2000 season. I think Fisher has too much class to say something so stupid.
 
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