Conditions Surrounding Tubby Smith Firing: Could this be Lansing's Fate in '14?

[BankShot]

Smith was successfull @ MN...but they want MORE...

CBS article:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ketball/21948116/tubby-smith-out-at-minnesota

 

[TreeTop]

It will not be Lansing's fate in 2014.

Assuming we have a winning season and yet still underachieve (such as an 18-15 record), I believe the focus by the ISU administration would be that we achieved a fourth winning season in a row under Lansing....a feat not achieved by an ISU coach in more than a decade.

With that said....that AT&T spot is my favorite of the bunch so far.

 

[bent20]

A few fans want more. You think that's enough to motivate the university to do something? As long as we show marginal improvement each season in wins, attendance and post-season appearances, nothing will change. It took several losing seasons for Waltman to get the boot and even then the university took heat for it. Lansing is always on the way to a better job, or to being fired, according to fans, but unless we fall apart completely or stun everyone by winning the conference and going to the Sweet 16, it's not likely he'll be going anywhere.

 

[ISU_TREE_FAN]

Not likely unless he chooses to make a move. ISU is not a "Basketball Factory" and does not have many (if any) well-heeled alumni willing to spend any money on a buyout whatever the circumstances. Now after maybe ten years (like Waltman) and not constantly extending the contract every year its possible?

 

[BankShot]

A few fans want more. You think that's enough to motivate the university to do something? As long as we show marginal improvement each season in wins, attendance and post-season appearances, nothing will change. It took several losing seasons for Waltman to get the boot and even then the university took heat for it. Lansing is always on the way to a better job, or to being fired, according to fans, but unless we fall apart completely or stun everyone by winning the conference and going to the Sweet 16, it's not likely he'll be going anywhere.

As long as ISU is in Terre Haute, there will always be "heat" surrounding the changing of the "Honor Guard." Small time politics...

The "marginal improvement" comment is exactly the type of attitude that has crippled ISU for decades.

 

[Bluethunder]

Funny, I always thought what crippled ISU basketball wasn't "marginal improvement" but NO improvement, as in losing records in something like 25 out of the previous 32 seasons! Three of those winning seasons, our current coach. But he doesn't win enough, so now many think we would be better off without him, despite our previous history.

I just ask people to stop and digest this for a moment. From 1980 to now, sooooooo many losing seasons, and in many cases not just a losing season, but abysmal seasons. Hire Lansing, three straight winning seasons. People think we should win more, so lets get rid of him. Remember what happens to those who don't learn from history.

 

[TreeTop]

Not to mention that I'm really looking forward to the season after next because that'll be the first in which all the players on the team will have been recruited with Lansing as the head coach. We've still got a number of players who were recruited on McKenna's watch. Let's see what Lansing does with all of his own players (so to speak).

 

[BankShot]

Funny, I always thought what crippled ISU basketball wasn't "marginal improvement" but NO improvement, as in losing records in something like 25 out of the previous 32 seasons! Three of those winning seasons, our current coach. But he doesn't win enough, so now many think we would be better off without him, despite our previous history.

I just ask people to stop and digest this for a moment. From 1980 to now, sooooooo many losing seasons, and in many cases not just a losing season, but abysmal seasons. Hire Lansing, three straight winning seasons. People think we should win more, so lets get rid of him. Remember what happens to those who don't learn from history.

Lansing will have the answer to your question next year, won't he?

 

[BankShot]

Not to mention that I'm really looking forward to the season after next because that'll be the first in which all the players on the team will have been recruited with Lansing as the head coach. We've still got a number of players who were recruited on McKenna's watch. Let's see what Lansing does with all of his own players (so to speak).

It was my understanding that Lansing's primary role as Asst. to K-Mac was recruiting, and this played a prominent role in his hiring by RP. In essence, I don't see much leverage in your statement re: Lansing's "own players."

 

[TreeTop]

I'm aware that assistant coaches do most of the leg work when it comes to recruiting, but bottom line is that when a player signs on the dotted line, there's one guy at the helm....and so far there are still several guys on our team who signed their letter of intent with McKenna as the head coach, and for all they knew, McKenna would be the head coach during their entire stay at State. I want to see what Lansing does with a team who all signed their LOI with Lansing at the helm.

 

[TH_Sycamore12]

It will not be Lansing's fate in 2014.

Assuming we have a winning season and yet still underachieve (such as an 18-15 record), I believe the focus by the ISU administration would be that we achieved a fourth winning season in a row under Lansing....a feat not achieved by an ISU coach in more than a decade.

With that said....that AT&T spot is my favorite of the bunch so far.

0-3, need I say more?

 

[TreeTop]

0-3, need I say more?

20, 18, 18.

 

[TH_Sycamore12]

20, 18, 18.

I don't celebrate a team that ends the season on with a 3-7 record. If this was the first time, yeah maybe, but its the SECOND YEAR in a row.

 

[4Q_iu]

I don't celebrate a team that ends the season on with a 3-7 record. If this was the first time, yeah maybe, but its the SECOND YEAR in a row.

So by your standards, only the team that wins the NCAA Div I MBB title is the only team who's had a 'successful season?'

 

[Bluethunder]

0-3, need I say more?

Yes, you are right. We should go back to the days where we struggled to win 10 games in a season, that way we don't have to suffer the humiliation in losing an NIT game ( first time since 1978 that we made it) at a Big Ten school or having to lose to Syracuse in the NCAA tournament (first time in a decade we made it, only fourth time in school history).

Damn you Greg Lansing for taking the program to the post season and having a winning record! Damn you!

 

[BankShot]

I don't celebrate a team that ends the season on with a 3-7 record. If this was the first time, yeah maybe, but its the SECOND YEAR in a row.

Don't forget the company that Lansing's now in:

We lost 8 of our last 10 games. The two we won during that stretch @ HC were by ONE (1) point v. SIU (last place MVC team) & Iona. A glance thru the ISU record books indicates that in ISU Basketball HISTORY, only 15 prior Sycamore squads have suffered thru a similar stretch of LOSING:

Season Record
1926-27 03-13
1937-38 01-17
1955-56 08-16
1980-81 09-18
1981-82 09-18
1982-83 09-19
1985-86 11-17
1987-88 07-21
1988-89 04-24
1989-90 08-20
1992-93 11-17
1993-94 04-22
1994-95 07-19
2003-04 09-19
2006-07 13-18
2012-13 18-15

Intriguing that only one squad actually had a winning record, and people call that season "successful?"

 

[Bally #50]

Don't forget the company that Lansing's now in:

We lost 8 of our last 10 games. The two we won during that stretch @ HC were by ONE (1) point v. SIU (last place MVC team) & Iona. A glance thru the ISU record books indicates that in ISU Basketball HISTORY, only 15 prior Sycamore squads have suffered thru a similar stretch of LOSING:

Season Record
1926-27 03-13
1937-38 01-17
1955-56 08-16
1980-81 09-18
1981-82 09-18
1982-83 09-19
1985-86 11-17
1987-88 07-21
1988-89 04-24
1989-90 08-20
1992-93 11-17
1993-94 04-22
1994-95 07-19
2003-04 09-19
2006-07 13-18
2012-13 18-15

Intriguing that only one squad actually had a winning record, and people call that season "successful?"

I am impressed you did all that work to try and demonstrate coach's losing record of 8 out of the last 10 (it was actually 7 out of 9). You chose to ignore the two wins the led up to those losses and 4 wins out of 5 BEFORE that streak to be exact. Now don't get me wrong Bank, I don't like that finishing record one bit, but as much time as you spent compiling all the records with similar collapses and ALL having losing records, it tells you absolutely NOTHING. Bad teams always have losing spells. Good teams usually have some time when they lose as well. This team was no exception, other than the fact that they actually somehow were able to be over .500, is pretty amazing. Like I said, thanks for all the research but it doesn't prove a damn thing, other than we faded at the end of the year. We can talk until we are all blue in the face about why they collapsed and I am sure we will do just that, probably for months. But no random study about losing streaks is going to help us one iota. What WILL help us is, as many of us have stated repeatedly, will be VERY hard work from both the players AND the coach. If they make the effort, it should pay off. If they coast, continue to have to the work ethic they currently have, and don't figure out fundamental basketball, they will falter, and you will be able to add the 2013-14 team to those teams that lost 8 out of 10, but had a LOSING season.

That was a whole lot of work that really doesn't mean CRAP~

 

[BankShot]

I am impressed you did all that work to try and demonstrate coach's losing record of 8 out of the last 10 (it was actually 7 out of 9). You chose to ignore the two wins the led up to those losses and 4 wins out of 5 BEFORE that streak to be exact. Now don't get me wrong Bank, I don't like that finishing record one bit, but as much time as you spent compiling all the records with similar collapses and ALL having losing records, it tells you absolutely NOTHING. Bad teams always have losing spells. Good teams usually have some time when they lose as well. This team was no exception, other than the fact that they actually somehow were able to be over .500, is pretty amazing. Like I said, thanks for all the research but it doesn't prove a damn thing, other than we faded at the end of the year. We can talk until we are all blue in the face about why they did and I am sure we will do just that, probably for months. But no random study about losing streaks isn't going to help us one iota. What WILL help us is, as many of us have stated repeatedly, will be VERY hard work from both the players AND the coach. If they make the effort, it should pay off. If they coast, continue to have to the work ethic they currently have, and don't figure out fundamental basketball, they will falter, and you will be able to add the 2013-14 team to those teams that lost 8 out of 10, but had a LOSING season.

That was a whole lot of work that really doesn't mean CRAP~

To you only Bally...and your "Honor Guard" co-horts, I understand why. While you view our late-season collapse as a simple "losing streak," after 25 games when MOST squads are finding their groove, a number of ISU fans prefer to examine the strings of the puppeteer.

 

[TH_Sycamore12]

Yes, you are right. We should go back to the days where we struggled to win 10 games in a season, that way we don't have to suffer the humiliation in losing an NIT game ( first time since 1978 that we made it) at a Big Ten school or having to lose to Syracuse in the NCAA tournament (first time in a decade we made it, only fourth time in school history).

Damn you Greg Lansing for taking the program to the post season and having a winning record! Damn you!

If you like losing in the postseason that's fine, but I would like more than a participation banner. To be considered a 'great' mid major you play & beat the big boys; check (Ole Miss, Miami, etc.), don't struggle against conference bottom dwellers (uhhhhh...well), don't crap yourself down the stretch (oops)

 

[Bally #50]

To you only Bally...and your "Honor Guard" co-horts, I understand why. While you view our late-season collapse as a simple "losing streak," after 25 games when MOST squads are finding their groove, a number of ISU fans prefer to examine the strings of the puppeteer.

Bank, I have no idea what the Honor Guard is, but if you or I had the reason for the collapse, we wouldn't be knit-picking this shit. Since no one has come up with THE ANSWER for it, then I firmly say let's move on, and fix it.

You would happily show Lansing the door and I for one, do not feel that way. Nor do the vast majority on this board, Bank. I will say this one more time, if this team had scored five more points and had two more wins, we would have been in the dance, Greg would have won coach of the year in the MVC, and most of us would be happy as a pig in a mudhole. You'll never accept Greg and likely STILL would have wanted to chastise him for losing to Southern Illinois or you would have tried to blame HIM for not recruiting Colt Ryan. Frankly, if you want to waste your time doing studies of every losing streak our team has ever had, GREAT. I am just saying it is time to move on. I am not forgetting anything about what happened in the final 10 games (nine) and I am still mad about it. You have all the right in the world to be the negative guy you are, and most the time, I even enjoy your sarcasm but frankly, I am getting fed up with it because it never stops.

I will repeat what I just said, this team needs to move on and GET TO WORK. That means the players and maybe most of all, that means the COACH. Unless I see some spark in this team that's currently NOT there, something that shows intensity and heart, I truly think we are not going to be as good next year with a team that has EVERYONE coming back. If that happens, you can bitch all you want about coach, but right now, TODAY, he is going nowhere and will be here next season. If you want to continue to piss and moan about everything he does, then so be it. I say we get with the program, and hope that all involved get to work. If you don't like what I am saying, that's fine with me. I have my "honor guard" protecting me, whatever that is.