East Palestine, Ohio

[Sycamorefan96]

Unreal how incompetent our government is at all levels. Then they just lie. Yes, I'm sure that water is real safe to drink when there's dead fish all over in nearby creeks, and that the air is real safe to breathe after burning hazardous chemicals known to cause cancer. Then the people around there are being told that it's just a coincidence that animals are dying, and that people are getting sick or coming down with rashes.

I know I won't be going within 50 miles of that area for the rest of the month. I've been within a couple of miles of there, and actually stayed at a truck stop in that area once.

Streams of fish, a coop of chickens, and a skulk of foxes are among the animals reported sickened and dying after a catastrophic train derailment led to a chemical burn in Ohio

Animals are dying in East Palestine, Ohio, days after officials conducted a "controlled release" of several toxic chemicals onboard a derailed train.

www.insider.com

‘We Basically Nuked A Town With Chemicals’: Critics Blast Detonation From Train Derailment

After a “team of experts” decided to release chemicals from derailed train cars near East Palestine, Ohio, and ignite them, causing a huge explosion, some critics stated their disapproval of officials letting people return to their homes. On February 3, about 50 cars on a Norfolk Southern Corp...

www.dailywire.com

 

[4Q_iu]

Unreal how incompetent our government is at all levels. Then they just lie. Yes, I'm sure that water is real safe to drink when there's dead fish all over in nearby creeks, and that the air is real safe to breathe after burning hazardous chemicals known to cause cancer. Then the people around there are being told that it's just a coincidence that animals are dying, and that people are getting sick or coming down with rashes.

I know I won't be going within 50 miles of that area for the rest of the month. I've been within a couple of miles of there, and actually stayed at a truck stop in that area once.

Streams of fish, a coop of chickens, and a skulk of foxes are among the animals reported sickened and dying after a catastrophic train derailment led to a chemical burn in Ohio

Animals are dying in East Palestine, Ohio, days after officials conducted a "controlled release" of several toxic chemicals onboard a derailed train.

www.insider.com

‘We Basically Nuked A Town With Chemicals’: Critics Blast Detonation From Train Derailment

After a “team of experts” decided to release chemicals from derailed train cars near East Palestine, Ohio, and ignite them, causing a huge explosion, some critics stated their disapproval of officials letting people return to their homes. On February 3, about 50 cars on a Norfolk Southern Corp...

www.dailywire.com

You're holding the corporation responsible for the derailment AND the decision to burn the chemicals blameless?

And don't forget texas politico US Representative Troy Nehls (Republican-texas 22d) telling people their irresponsible for drinking bottled water

 

[Sycamorefan96]

You're holding the corporation responsible for the derailment AND the decision to burn the chemicals blameless?

And don't forget texas politico US Representative Troy Nehls (Republican-texas 22d) telling people their irresponsible for drinking bottled water

I'm sure the railroad is just out there burning chemicals on their own, near a residential area.

Really don't care what some representative from Texas thinks either, regardless of party. What area in Ohio does he represent again?

 

[4Q_iu]

I'm sure the railroad is just out there burning chemicals on their own, near a residential area.

Really don't care what some representative from Texas thinks either, regardless of party. What area in Ohio does he represent again?

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (GOP) disagrees with you.

DeWine on company behind Ohio chemical spill: We will ‘hold their feet to the fire’

The train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 3 was operated by Norfolk Southern, a rail corporation based in Atlanta.

www.politico.com

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine on Wednesday said the company whose train derailed in eastern Ohio and sent up a plume of toxic chemicals needs to stick around to deal with the aftermath of the disaster.

“They are responsible for this. They are responsible for a very serious train wreck that occurred with some very toxic material,” DeWine said on CNN’s “This Morning.” “So we’re going to hold their feet to the fire, we’re going to make sure they pay for everything as we move forward.”

 

[Sycamorefan96]

Railroads are a federal issue and really have nothing to do with a governor. That's why a lot of people around there are PO'd that Mr. Transportation Secretary, "Mayor Peter" hasn't showed up to the scene yet. I'm not totally sticking up for the railroad, but I'm sure they didn't want their train to derail. Problem is they had to release some of the gases or the rail tankers were likely going to explode.

My point is that the railroad is not doing anything post-derailment that the feds aren't approving. I was reading that there was a mandatory evacuation for that area initially and then they (not sure if 'they' was local, state, or federal) told everyone it was safe to come back. Clearly it wasn't (or isn't).

 

[4Q_iu]

Railroads are a federal issue and really have nothing to do with a governor. That's why a lot of people around there are PO'd that Mr. Transportation Secretary, "Mayor Peter" hasn't showed up to the scene yet. I'm not totally sticking up for the railroad, but I'm sure they didn't want their train to derail. Problem is they had to release some of the gases or the rail tankers were likely going to explode.

My point is that the railroad is not doing anything post-derailment that the feds aren't approving. I was reading that there was a mandatory evacuation for that area initially and then they (not sure if 'they' was local, state, or federal) told everyone it was safe to come back. Clearly it wasn't (or isn't).

The GOVERNOR must request the POTUS declare an affected area a disaster area in order for the fed agencies to arrive and provide support, assistance.

For some reason Gov. DeWine (GOP) is refusing to make the request...

Perhaps if the corporation (Norfolk Southern) had maintained their cars/equipment better; maintained their tracks better, Mayor Pete and Gov Mike (and other unelected & elected officials) wouldn't be scrambling to protect the public from an avoidable catastrophe.

 

[bluestreak]

Though the Obama administration did originally enact a rule requiring those better brakes on some trains, its regulators sided with lobbyists and ignored the National Transportation Safety Board’s (NTSB) request that the safety rules apply to rail cars carrying the kinds of dangerous, flammable chemicals onboard the Ohio train. The rules were weakened under the Trump administration, and apparently that train was not being regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train. Buttigieg had not moved to reenact the the brake rule - although the lobbyists would probably have killed it again. Trying to blame one person or one adminstration for this fuck-up is disingenuous and incorrect. If you are looking for any culprit look at the lobbyists, the politicians who sided with the deregulation and Norfolk Southern.

 

[Gotta Hav]

The GOVERNOR must request the POTUS declare an affected area a disaster area in order for the fed agencies to arrive and provide support, assistance.

For some reason Gov. DeWine (GOP) is refusing to make the request...

Perhaps if the corporation (Norfolk Southern) had maintained their cars/equipment better; maintained their tracks better, Mayor Pete and Gov Mike (and other unelected & elected officials) wouldn't be scrambling to protect the public from an avoidable catastrophe.

If DeWine was a Democrat, would you have entered (DNC) after his name?

And now you're rail car, rail equipment, and rail tracks expert; and somehow you know that none of the aforementioned were maintained very well. How do you know that?

And though there hasn't been an investigation by derailment crash experts...which may make take months, but you know before anyone else that this catastrophe was avoidable.

Honestly, what are you doing wasting your intellect, knowledge and insight on Sycamore Pride when you should be heading up and running....well, just about every government agency and industry there is.

 

[Gotta Hav]

Though the Obama administration did originally enact a rule requiring those better brakes on some trains, its regulators sided with lobbyists and ignored the National Transportation Safety Board’s (NTSB) request that the safety rules apply to rail cars carrying the kinds of dangerous, flammable chemicals onboard the Ohio train. The rules were weakened under the Trump administration, and apparently that train was not being regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train. Buttigieg had not moved to reenact the the brake rule - although the lobbyists would probably have killed it again. Trying to blame one person or one adminstration for this fuck-up is disingenuous and incorrect. If you are looking for any culprit look at the lobbyists, the politicians who sided with the deregulation and Norfolk Southern.

Which way is it? Did SSOM write this for you? LOL, but I do agree that there's plenty of blame to go around, for this derailment, and the 1,000 or more other derailments that take place annually in the United States.

And on "high-hazard flammable", there isn't any designation associated with flammable liquids that makes one flammable liquid or mixture a HIGH HAZARD, or even a MEDIUM HAZARD or a LOW HAZARD.

There are some hazardous material that do fall into High, Medium and Low hazards like RADIOACTIVE materials. For example: there is Radioactive I - extremely low radiation, Radioactive II - Low radiation levels, and Radioactive III - High radiation levels.

And there are multiple designations for EXPLOSIVES. 1.1 - being a mass explosive hazard, 1.2 - projection, but NOT mass explosive hazard, 1.3 - fire, minor blast hazard, and 1.4 - minor blast hazard. I believe they've recently added 1.5 and 1.6 designations in the explosive hazard class.

 

[bluestreak]

No one writes anything for me. If my terminology/designations were incorrect I stand corrected, but my basic point stands.

 

[IndyTreeFan]

Our government is broken and corrupt. Every level, every one of them. They (particularly federal) do not deserve anything but derision from the people, until the prove that they are not totally inept. The sad thing is, we don't really have an alternative, as both current parties are bought and paid for, mostly by the same interests.

 

[bent20]

Railroad companies often throw their weight around and local communities are helpless to do much about it. The derailment was likely due to mechanical issues, so who is at fault here and who should be held accountable? Expecting the government, state or federal (Republican or Democrat) to be ready to handle an accident like this without warning (they can happen anywhere) is expecting too much. Regulations are needed to ensure these companies are acting responsibly when transporting hazardous materials. They shouldn't even have been allowed to transport that much on one train just in case of an accident like this.

 

[4Q_iu]

Though the Obama administration did originally enact a rule requiring those better brakes on some trains, its regulators sided with lobbyists and ignored the National Transportation Safety Board’s (NTSB) request that the safety rules apply to rail cars carrying the kinds of dangerous, flammable chemicals onboard the Ohio train. The rules were weakened under the Trump administration, and apparently that train was not being regulated as a “high-hazard flammable train. Buttigieg had not moved to reenact the the brake rule - although the lobbyists would probably have killed it again. Trying to blame one person or one adminstration for this fuck-up is disingenuous and incorrect. If you are looking for any culprit look at the lobbyists, the politicians who sided with the deregulation and Norfolk Southern.

Absolutely -- and it's the revolving door between the industry and the regulators

The same is true for the Mining Industry

 

[4Q_iu]

If DeWine was a Democrat, would you have entered (DNC) after his name?

And now you're rail car, rail equipment, and rail tracks expert; and somehow you know that none of the aforementioned were maintained very well. How do you know that?

And though there hasn't been an investigation by derailment crash experts...which may make take months, but you know before anyone else that this catastrophe was avoidable.

Honestly, what are you doing wasting your intellect, knowledge and insight on Sycamore Pride when you should be heading up and running....well, just about every government agency and industry there is.

As DeWine is not a member of the Democratic National Committee, I wouldn't "enter" DNC after his name.

If DeWine was a Democrat, I'd enter (DEM) after his name. I used GOP vice REP because far too many ignorant fucks conflate REP with Representative (at both the federal and state level. Even you'd recognize those ignorant fucks, many claim to members of clubs, even Senior Members of clubs.

Riddle me this Curtis - who owns the cars/equipment and track?

Who but the owner is responsible for its maintenance?

Even someone with your lack of intellect should recognize that basic tenet.

Are you theorizing a Zion-controlled Laser in Space caused the derailment?

There haven't been any reports of sabotage along that stretch of track... but there have been reports of the train breaking down after leaving Moline -- Hoosiers residents should be grateful this mess occurred in Ohio vice Indiana. There's video (from a local resident) that indicates failure of wheel bearing, due to overheating... So... if the train left Moline at an excessive length and weight (reportedly 150+ cars, 9,000+ feet and over 18,000 tons (over 36M pounds)) Doesn't seem to be a stretch even for you Curtis to grasp that a bearing could fail.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1626702674052714498

 

[Jason Svoboda]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625914346491576320

Riddle me this Curtis - who owns the cars/equipment and track?

There is no bigger detriment to the American people than BlackRock. If people really want to see a collective of terrible people, do a deep dive on that company.

 

[bent20]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625914346491576320

There is no bigger detriment to the American people than BlackRock. If people really want to see a collective of terrible people, do a deep dive on that company.

The media hasn't ignored the catastrophe though. I think they were slow to appreciate the scale and magnitude of it, but it has been widely covered this week. As always though, I point people to NPR and PBS for news coverage.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

The media hasn't ignored the catastrophe though. I think they were slow to appreciate the scale and magnitude of it, but it has been widely covered this week. As always though, I point people to NPR and PBS for news coverage.

I use AllSides to read on topics -- usually so I can read stories from all slants. You could easily make a case that the only reason the coverage has rebounded is because of how it poorly it was originally covered when it happened and now there is outrage that you cannot sweep under the rug.

AllSides | Ohio Train Crash

Find balanced news from the Left, Right and Center covering Ohio Train Crash.

www.allsides.com

 

[bent20]

I use AllSides to read on topics -- usually so I can read stories from all slants. You could easily make a case that the only reason the coverage has rebounded is because of how it poorly it was originally covered when it happened and now there is outrage that you cannot sweep under the rug.

AllSides | Ohio Train Crash

Find balanced news from the Left, Right and Center covering Ohio Train Crash.

www.allsides.com

I don't usually get too far into conspiracies because in my experience they give humans too much credit. We're not that smart or organized. That said, if there is one, I find it more likely Blackrock would prefer to distract everyone by using the media and government as a buffer to protect their more lucrative business - the railroad industry. Notice how very little criticism is coming back on the source of the disaster? It's all about the EPA and media's slow response, and very, very little about the irresponsible companies who were transporting the chemicals and crashed the train. That's like blaming the cops and media for the drunk driver killing a family of five.

 

[4Q_iu]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1625914346491576320

There is no bigger detriment to the American people than BlackRock. If people really want to see a collective of terrible people, do a deep dive on that company.

Listened to a report this evening; apparently the chain of ownership on (some) of the cars is as transparent as some real estate baron's property portfolios...

some were Norfuck Southern, others were owned by the chemical companies -- likely some dummy corps, shell corps and LLCs involved -- nothing like good ol' American bizness to obfuscate.