Is there a more hypocritical organization?

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Jason Svoboda

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How does the NCAA let a player leave one program on sanctions to join another that is on sanctions? I just don't understand how they don't step in here. If you haven't heard, Silas Redd is leaving Penn State for USC. Looks like his bank account just jumped with a quickness.
 

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"Is there a more hypocritical organization?"

Penn State and USC and many, many other Big Buck schools would qualify as good answers to your question.
 
Just throwing a dart at a dartboard here...more hypocritical than NCAA?

US Senate
Democratic Party
Republican Party
Environmental Protection Agency
USDA
Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration
Department of Education

and that is just a few on the federal side of things that would rank as more hypocritical than the NCAA to me....:)
 
Oddly enough, I feel he (or ANY athlete) has the right to go where ever he wants to, whether or not they are on probation doesn't matter at all. It means NOTHING to the student athlete if that is where he chooses to go. This is ESPECIALLY true of the Penn State athletes because they had NOTHING to do with any of it. Frankly, I am quite proud of those scholarship football athletes that chose to STAY at PSU. It reflects very well on what is left of the program. And Sack, can't argue with those selections on your all-hypocrisy list.
 
Oddly enough, I feel he (or ANY athlete) has the right to go where ever he wants to, whether or not they are on probation doesn't matter at all. It means NOTHING to the student athlete if that is where he chooses to go. This is ESPECIALLY true of the Penn State athletes because they had NOTHING to do with any of it. Frankly, I am quite proud of those scholarship football athletes that chose to STAY at PSU. It reflects very well on what is left of the program. And Sack, can't argue with those selections on your all-hypocrisy list.
And I'll strongly disagree all day long. There are 120 FBS schools and over 300 more at lower levels. Allowing a student-athlete to transfer to an institution that is already on sanctions/probation just makes no sense. It's not like he didn't have 400 other possible selections.
 

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Is the university of spoiled children coming off of probabtion this fall?

You'd think the kid would pick another school BUT as he has 2 yrs (?) of eligibility remaining AND he'll play in 'hollywood;' i'm not surprised...

Anyone see this note? Franklin didn't pick psu because of the fan's intent BUT how warped is the psu football fanbase when parents decide to name their CHILD after the FIRST player to commit AFTER the sanctions were levied?!?!?!

I do LIKE his reasoning on NOT picking gloomington reform institute (gri)!!

http://bwi.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1389812

"It wasn't even a tough choice," Franklin, a member of the class of 2012 said. "I wasn't going to play in a bowl game anyway if I would have gone I-AA or to New Mexico or Indiana. Plus, it's Linebacker U, and I'm a linebacker."
 
Two more years I believe on the scholarship restrictions. They did the bowl ban first and filed an appear on the scholarship restrictions.
 
So he moved for Bowl and "national title" reasons... he can pay off his student loans with his nfl (and under the table USC) earnings...
 
So he moved for Bowl and "national title" reasons... he can pay off his student loans with his nfl (and under the table USC) earnings...
That's why I have an issue with allowing him to go to USC. Their scholarship restrictions take effect this year and the NCAA is waiving the scholarship limit for Penn State players. Therefore, USC can take players beyond the limit set forth in their sanctions. Makes no sense at all.
 
That's why I have an issue with allowing him to go to USC. Their scholarship restrictions take effect this year and the NCAA is waiving the scholarship limit for Penn State players. Therefore, USC can take players beyond the limit set forth in their sanctions. Makes no sense at all.

This point is a tough one. The sanctions against USC have been put forth, and their scholly limit is still in place. However I can't imagine the sanctions included a clause that precludes them from being eligible for future benefits from sanctions levied against other institutions. Had the NCAA said Redd couldn't xfer, how many would bitch about them changing the rules as they go... This is one of many loop holes that exist with policy put forth but large governing organizations. Nothings perfect.
 

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This point is a tough one. The sanctions against USC have been put forth, and their scholly limit is still in place. However I can't imagine the sanctions included a clause that precludes them from being eligible for future benefits from sanctions levied against other institutions. Had the NCAA said Redd couldn't xfer, how many would bitch about them changing the rules as they go... This is one of many loop holes that exist with policy put forth but large governing organizations. Nothings perfect.
Yeah, it looks like it wouldn't have mattered. Just read an article that they were going to take the scholarship away from someone else to give it to him anyhow. I still think they need to close that loophole otherwise the sanctions are shallow.
 
And I'll strongly disagree all day long. There are 120 FBS schools and over 300 more at lower levels. Allowing a student-athlete to transfer to an institution that is already on sanctions/probation just makes no sense. It's not like he didn't have 400 other possible selections.
But it is HIS decision, Jason. That is the crux of the matter. I don't feel the athlete that decided to change schools by NO FAULT of his own, should be penalized. He'd know in advance that there would be no bowl games and any other penalties incurred so if he is OK with it, then it's fine. I personally do not think it is a intelligent decision, but it is where he wants to go. We'll agree to disagree on this one.
 
But it is HIS decision, Jason. That is the crux of the matter. I don't feel the athlete that decided to change schools by NO FAULT of his own, should be penalized. He'd know in advance that there would be no bowl games and any other penalties incurred so if he is OK with it, then it's fine. I personally do not think it is a intelligent decision, but it is where he wants to go. We'll agree to disagree on this one.
I have no qualms on the fact it's his decision. There just should be rules in place to restrict potential destinations, that's all. If USC wasn't on sanctions as well, I wouldn't care one iota. I just think the NCAA and college athletics needs some major reform and reorganization. If you're not going to restrict something like this, don't even both penalizing the schools. Simply hit them hard in the pocket books and move on like the NFL does to it's teams.
 
The saddest thing to me is that the biggest cheaters of all (the SEC powerhouses) are never held to account. Yes, I'm sure Mississippi State boosters tried to lure Cam Newton and then he chose Auburn with no outside influence.
 
Best way to hurt a team like USC is to ban them from television. A fine won't hurt them because some rich alum will pay it. That said, as mentioned before it was Redd's decision and I can't fault him for leaving to avoid a punishment for a situation that he had no part in.

Best of luck to him and all the kids who have chosen to stick it out at PSU.

The NCAA is as much to blame as anyone. Example of how gutless the organization is......you know that Ohio State players commited violations that you will sanction the school for, but hey, go ahead and play in the Sugar Bowl because it's better for ratings.
 
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The saddest thing to me is that the biggest cheaters of all (the SEC powerhouses) are never held to account. Yes, I'm sure Mississippi State boosters tried to lure Cam Newton and then he chose Auburn with no outside influence.

But Cam wasn't involved, it was all his dad (a minister for crying out loud). Cam didn't know anything about what his dad was doing ( wink, wink)
 
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