Kansas shows their true colors

[4Q_iu]

Kansas Thughawks show their true character; Silvio, aka Silvia De Sousa wades into the scrum and brandishes a stool as a "weapon"

Hope the Big 12 weighs in and legitimately, can't see the NCAA doing so or Self

 

[pbutler218]

Self runs a crooked program and should have been fired long ago.

 

[4Q_iu]

De Sousa & David McCormack were at the middle of the scrum -- and this is De Sousa's 2nd MugShot Moment, he was suspended last year in the Kansas "Shoe Deal" fallout... this suspension should be permanent​

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Meh...

It was a bad moment for those kids and they will learn from it hopefully.

I ran with a kid at Indiana State who literally punched a kid in the middle of the Cross Country race - he was beside me when he did it. Dropped the kid - broke his nose. Then when the Evansville coach came up to him after the race he thought it was the kids grandpa (it was the Evansville coach) and he said "Get the fuck away from me old man"... It was a bad moment - all because the kid cut us off in the middle of the race.

My former teammate is married with kids and a good job - he learned from it and is living his best life.

Shit happens - emotions run high - a lot on the line. Look at this mid major basketball forum alone. We got people wanting the head coach fired year after year - he's having a good year and people want him fired. You can't wish things would be like they use to be 20 or 30 years ago with tough kids - kids willing to fight and put it all on the line and then they do - a fight breaks out and they are just thugs and Self runs a joke of a program. You can't have it both ways...

Those kids are going to get punished - I'm not endorsing what happened. It was a BAD look - but coming on here and recusing Self and acting like these young men are not allowed to make mistakes is ridiculous. It happened - they will learn from it. No one died - some people were probably injured. Personally I'm glad to see some emotion in college sports - I get tired of seeing the hand shakes and the helping up mentality that we see in sports. Bring the hate and passion back into play - it's really what separates college athletics from the pros.

 

[4Q_iu]

Meh...

It was a bad moment for those kids and they will learn from it hopefully.

I ran with a kid at Indiana State who literally punched a kid in the middle of the Cross Country race - he was beside me when he did it. Dropped the kid - broke his nose. Then when the Evansville coach came up to him after the race he thought it was the kids grandpa (it was the Evansville coach) and he said "Get the fuck away from me old man"... It was a bad moment - all because the kid cut us off in the middle of the race.

My former teammate is married with kids and a good job - he learned from it and is living his best life.

Shit happens - emotions run high - a lot on the line. Look at this mid major basketball forum alone. We got people wanting the head coach fired year after year - he's having a good year and people want him fired. You can't wish things would be like they use to be 20 or 30 years ago with tough kids - kids willing to fight and put it all on the line and then they do - a fight breaks out and they are just thugs and Self runs a joke of a program. You can't have it both ways...

Those kids are going to get punished - I'm not endorsing what happened. It was a BAD look - but coming on here and recusing Self and acting like these young men are not allowed to make mistakes is ridiculous. It happened - they will learn from it. No one died - some people were probably injured. Personally I'm glad to see some emotion in college sports - I get tired of seeing the hand shakes and the helping up mentality that we see in sports. Bring the hate and passion back into play - it's really what separates college athletics from the pros.

Meh...

Push this narrative to Kermit Washington and Rudy Tomjanovich; ask P.J. Carlesimo if he thinks Latrell Sprewell has learned from his mistakes.

De Sousa made the first mistake by "posing" over Gordon.

Weber stressed he told his players to not press but Gordon made a basketball play. I've no problem with De Sousa's block. It was his posing, trying to intimidate Gordon after the block.

I've no problem with passion, emotion is sports but quite frankly all of the end zone dancing becomes ridiculous in the NFL.

And a fair amount of coaches have LONG stressed Good Sportsmanship for decades; there are Good Winners and Bad Winners, Good Loser and Bad Losers

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

I’m not debating the play. What started it or how it happened. People want to put the passion back into sports and not have a “soft” natured society! Then when something “old school” happens that isn’t soft that shows some fight - they want to talk about thug this coach is a hack that... You simply can’t have it both ways - these kids got caught up in the moment. Picking up the chair - bad bad bad idea. But to fight?! Lol Who cares. Chill! It’s college athletics they’re playing for a big prize - they care.

 

[IndyTreeFan]

I’m not debating the play. What started it or how it happened. People want to put the passion back into sports and not have a “soft” natured society! Then when something “old school” happens that isn’t soft that shows some fight - they want to talk about thug this coach is a hack that... You simply can’t have it both ways - these kids got caught up in the moment. Picking up the chair - bad bad bad idea. But to fight?! Lol Who cares. Chill! It’s college athletics they’re playing for a big prize - they care.

Tates Locke: "People kept apologizing for that fight. Hell, I thought it was GREAT!" :laugh:

 

[Bluethunder]

Nice pass at 1:12 :smile:

 

[TreeTop]

Haha, thank you for this video, I can't believe I've never seen it before!

Number 52 for ISU, str8 THUG!

 

[niklz62]

im not impressed. ive seen coaches fight better than that on a football field

 

[niklz62]

Meh...

It was a bad moment for those kids and they will learn from it hopefully.

I ran with a kid at Indiana State who literally punched a kid in the middle of the Cross Country race - he was beside me when he did it. Dropped the kid - broke his nose. Then when the Evansville coach came up to him after the race he thought it was the kids grandpa (it was the Evansville coach) and he said "Get the fuck away from me old man"... It was a bad moment - all because the kid cut us off in the middle of the race.

My former teammate is married with kids and a good job - he learned from it and is living his best life.

Shit happens - emotions run high - a lot on the line. Look at this mid major basketball forum alone. We got people wanting the head coach fired year after year - he's having a good year and people want him fired. You can't wish things would be like they use to be 20 or 30 years ago with tough kids - kids willing to fight and put it all on the line and then they do - a fight breaks out and they are just thugs and Self runs a joke of a program. You can't have it both ways...

Those kids are going to get punished - I'm not endorsing what happened. It was a BAD look - but coming on here and recusing Self and acting like these young men are not allowed to make mistakes is ridiculous. It happened - they will learn from it. No one died - some people were probably injured. Personally I'm glad to see some emotion in college sports - I get tired of seeing the hand shakes and the helping up mentality that we see in sports. Bring the hate and passion back into play - it's really what separates college athletics from the pros.

Maybe skimming through this i missed the point of your post but are you advocating that the guys on the forum that want Lansing fired should literally try fighting him?

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Maybe skimming through this i missed the point of your post but are you advocating that the guys on the forum that want Lansing fired should literally try fighting him?

HA! Yeah... Fight him. Like street style - Mortal Combat maybe??

It's just funny to me that people/fans are always so critical of college athletes. It's so stupid - they pay money to cheer on these kids and the second they fuck up or do something they don't approve on they abandon them. I get it - no one here is a Kansas fan and it's easy not to like Bill Self or insert other college/coach in here. So it's an easy take... You get mad at them for the NCAA making millions upon millions on them and them wanting a piece of the action.

I've said it - a lot of people here have said it. We're raising a "soft generation" - I think most here would agree with that. When things were not right when most of us were kids you got into a little or sometimes big scuffle and you moved on. Admittedly I didn't get into much of that - but I don't think I was raised soft either.

You see these players signing jerseys after games - loving each-other on social media - what is that? Do you all really enjoy that? When I watched sports as a kid it wasn't that way. Dale Earnhardt didn't earn the name Intimidate being friends with anyone. Larry Bird, MJ, Magic - were not friendly in how they played the game. John McEnroe wasn't a friendly guy. I can keep going - sometimes those guys did things that I am sure looking back on it they might not be proud of - maybe they learned from it maybe they didn't.

You simply can't have it both ways... It wasn't a good look but it wasn't that big of a deal. At least by my standard - they will hand out some suspensions and that will be that. Zip emm up!

 

[4Q_iu]

HA! Yeah... Fight him. Like street style - Mortal Combat maybe??

It's just funny to me that people/fans are always so critical of college athletes. It's so stupid - they pay money to cheer on these kids and the second they fuck up or do something they don't approve on they abandon them. I get it - no one here is a Kansas fan and it's easy not to like Bill Self or insert other college/coach in here. So it's an easy take... You get mad at them for the NCAA making millions upon millions on them and them wanting a piece of the action.

I've said it - a lot of people here have said it. We're raising a "soft generation" - I think most here would agree with that. When things were not right when most of us were kids you got into a little or sometimes big scuffle and you moved on. Admittedly I didn't get into much of that - but I don't think I was raised soft either.

You see these players signing jerseys after games - loving each-other on social media - what is that? Do you all really enjoy that? When I watched sports as a kid it wasn't that way. Dale Earnhardt didn't earn the name Intimidate being friends with anyone. Larry Bird, MJ, Magic - were not friendly in how they played the game. John McEnroe wasn't a friendly guy. I can keep going - sometimes those guys did things that I am sure looking back on it they might not be proud of - maybe they learned from it maybe they didn't.

You simply can't have it both ways... It wasn't a good look but it wasn't that big of a deal. At least by my standard - they will hand out some suspensions and that will be that. Zip emm up!

Have it both ways? WTF?

I'll agree kids will scuffle, and it's no big deal but this isn't an issue of De Sousa being forced to defend himself in a bar, store, restaurant; it also wasn't a "physical play" -- De Sousa started the melee w/ his posing.

I don't follow players on social media; could care less what kind of lovin' or smack they talk to/with/around each other..


I don't think I know of anyone who thinks Juan Marichal attack on John Roseboro was a "scuffle" or that Marichal was a "harder man" than Roseboro.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...roseboro-bat-ugly-baseball-brawl-50-years-ago

Go ask a Drake fan their thoughts on Johnny Bright and that "minor scuffle" that arose during their game with Okla A&M.

Recall the Malice in the Palace; Ron Artest made a legit play on a shot at the rim; Ben Wallace lost his sh*t, Artest did everything to disengage... Artest walked to the sideline and shit escalated, MAINLY because Wallace was posing, the Detroit fans were posing.

You bring up Larry "Basketball God" Bird... I've heard Bird express regret on two topics publicly; leaving gloomington AND... getting into that fight with Julius Erving.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

We agree to disagree. Enjoy the game tonight.

 

[niklz62]

HA! Yeah... Fight him. Like street style - Mortal Combat maybe??

It's just funny to me that people/fans are always so critical of college athletes. It's so stupid - they pay money to cheer on these kids and the second they fuck up or do something they don't approve on they abandon them. I get it - no one here is a Kansas fan and it's easy not to like Bill Self or insert other college/coach in here. So it's an easy take... You get mad at them for the NCAA making millions upon millions on them and them wanting a piece of the action.

I've said it - a lot of people here have said it. We're raising a "soft generation" - I think most here would agree with that. When things were not right when most of us were kids you got into a little or sometimes big scuffle and you moved on. Admittedly I didn't get into much of that - but I don't think I was raised soft either.

You see these players signing jerseys after games - loving each-other on social media - what is that? Do you all really enjoy that? When I watched sports as a kid it wasn't that way. Dale Earnhardt didn't earn the name Intimidate being friends with anyone. Larry Bird, MJ, Magic - were not friendly in how they played the game. John McEnroe wasn't a friendly guy. I can keep going - sometimes those guys did things that I am sure looking back on it they might not be proud of - maybe they learned from it maybe they didn't.

You simply can't have it both ways... It wasn't a good look but it wasn't that big of a deal. At least by my standard - they will hand out some suspensions and that will be that. Zip emm up!

i think we are just listening to a bunch of soft people set the narrative. i dont disagree with you much. if there were camera phones when I was in school....i cant imagine.

At some point, people will look back at "PCU" and think the protagonists weren't PC enough

 

[4Q_iu]

We agree to disagree. Enjoy the game tonight.

Concur...

Here's a headline supporting your thesis on raising a soft generation:

• [h=2]Bill could require youth bicycle helmets[/h] Safety advocates are pushing for an Indiana law requiring all youths to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle, skateboard or skates on public property.
  
  

 

[WOZ]

Haha, thank you for this video, I can't believe I've never seen it before!

Number 52 for ISU, str8 THUG!

I recall a game in the ‘60s when we played at Depauw. Steve Hollebeck had a breakaway layup and got submarined from behind.
He went sprawling to the floor, beyond the basket, right in front of where we were sitting in the front row.
Steve bounced up swinging and then both benches emptied.
There were also a few fans on the floor and we decided to join in. It was just a huge shoving match.
The next thing I know, I get grabbed from behind!
I turn around abruptly and discover its one of the referees.
He tells me to get back to my seat.
Yes sir, I replied.
The good ole ICC sure was a fun conference.

 

[sycamore tuff]

Tates Locke: "People kept apologizing for that fight. Hell, I thought it was GREAT!" :laugh:

That was a great game. Ya, we got beat but so did sasha.

 

[SycamoreStateofMind]

Concur...

Here's a headline supporting your thesis on raising a soft generation:

• [h=2]Bill could require youth bicycle helmets[/h] Safety advocates are pushing for an Indiana law requiring all youths to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle, skateboard or skates on public property.
  
  

Funny you should post that!! I know you don’t do social media - my post on Twitter this morning in respons to this very thing...

 

[Bluethunder]

Self has suspended De Sousa indefinitely until the conference decides on punishments.