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region rat
The All-MVC Level
what where are all the coaches in waiting and basketball analysts?
I'd guess that, before most had given up on the program, that they made the suggestions in the game threads.
Like questioning the God awful substitution patterns that our assistants had employed for years.
But alas, most have given up because they just don't have the faith that Hunny Bear is going to lead us to 25 win seasons as an upperclassman.
region rat
The All-MVC Level
Alas all is lost, no more prophets of ill will?
Buckhorn
The Starter Level
Why "prophesy" when the truth has long been revealed?
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Southgrad07
The Renn Level
I'll take a crack at a few things.. I think it is difficult on a forum to talk sets and what not..but a few things we could try
-Key is a legit threat in the mid post for a guard..So when he is on the wing have someone come set a back pick while the ball is up top..The guard looks for Key cutting but if it isn't there pass it to the back screener on the wing and if he isn't wide open he looks for Key who should post after his cut. Then play off that.
-Changing our high P and R game...We tend to run the same high ball screen with either BK or ER being the roll man..This causes problems for us because the guy guarding ER/BK can hedge way out on our ballhandler b4 he has to recover (usually JB), making a good look nearly impossible. This is because they know they have that extra sec. to hedge due to the lack of range and foot speed both rollers have. In years past we had P and Pop bigs like Gant,Kitch, MVS, Richard, Mahurin who defenses had to respect..Thus creating space..Even with Murph last year he moved quicker than Er/BK so he could dive to rim faster..He wasn't ideal for the role..But a better option than we currently have...IMO the big has to do one of the two things well..shoot from deep or excel at rolling to the rim/finishing.
So what do we do with the current roster? Run more guard to guard or guard to wing Pick and roll/pops... Run say Williams up to screen and then read the defense whether to roll or pop. If we are going up against a team that wants to switch it 4 or 5 ways on the perimeter? Then that's where you pick on their weakest defender. I hardly ever see us do this via ball screen. If their weakest guy is guarding Washington? Then have him screen for JB or Key..They either switch and we get that guy on our main threat or if they don't JB/Key don't have to deal with that extra defender hedging coming off the screen like they do with ER/BK screening.. I'm not saying we shouldn't run our bigs to screen at all..But we are very easy to defend in the P and R because we only throw one version at teams from the same spot each game.
-Off ball movement for shooters..I'd like to see us run our better shooters off more baseline screens when the ball is up top or double screens (first baseline then foul line on weakside) when the shooter is on the weakside. We do run baseline stuff a little bit..But I think these things need to be a larger part of our offense.
-Then finally our OB plays..I actually have no problem with the 4 across alignment..It works for many other teams at various levels..The issue I have is our sets are all put in motion once the ball is inbounded..This is problematic because A. you take away any chance to get something off the inbound itself and B. Our inbound pass is predictable so teams can overplay it...Teams like Syracuse or Duke that have superior athletes can get away with this kind of set because the risk is minimal to just pin their guy and throw it up..Worst case they know their guys can win those 1v1 jump balls.. We don't have that kind of guy and to boot we have a 5'9 guy throwing it in (yes, he is 5'9). I know the staff likes to run JB off screens once it's in..But I don't get why you couldn't do similar things with him not inbounding it?..Instead lets keep the 4 across and run a series of cross screens and dives.. If you think about it through the years our lack of creativity inbounding the ball has cost us countless games..Not only do we probably average 1 or 2 turnovers a game with our current set, but we tend to give up easy looks on the other end..Maybe because we don't go against it in practice?? Regardless of the why..The result is a 4-6 point swing in most games against us..If you want to see some solid OB plays, look up Brad Stevens sets...Good shit
One positive I've seen recently is the willingness to change our defense in a game. Not just for the sake of change either. You have seen some of our opponents have to think their way through the game instead of just attacking..The token 3/4 pressure at times and then switching whether you sink into man or zone off of it based on situation is the kind of stuff many have wanted to see for years..It is not the magic solution to all our problems, you still have to execute whatever you run and make shots..But it is just one more thing teams have to scout us for. And anytime you make your opponent think instead of just play??..That is a good thing.
-Key is a legit threat in the mid post for a guard..So when he is on the wing have someone come set a back pick while the ball is up top..The guard looks for Key cutting but if it isn't there pass it to the back screener on the wing and if he isn't wide open he looks for Key who should post after his cut. Then play off that.
-Changing our high P and R game...We tend to run the same high ball screen with either BK or ER being the roll man..This causes problems for us because the guy guarding ER/BK can hedge way out on our ballhandler b4 he has to recover (usually JB), making a good look nearly impossible. This is because they know they have that extra sec. to hedge due to the lack of range and foot speed both rollers have. In years past we had P and Pop bigs like Gant,Kitch, MVS, Richard, Mahurin who defenses had to respect..Thus creating space..Even with Murph last year he moved quicker than Er/BK so he could dive to rim faster..He wasn't ideal for the role..But a better option than we currently have...IMO the big has to do one of the two things well..shoot from deep or excel at rolling to the rim/finishing.
So what do we do with the current roster? Run more guard to guard or guard to wing Pick and roll/pops... Run say Williams up to screen and then read the defense whether to roll or pop. If we are going up against a team that wants to switch it 4 or 5 ways on the perimeter? Then that's where you pick on their weakest defender. I hardly ever see us do this via ball screen. If their weakest guy is guarding Washington? Then have him screen for JB or Key..They either switch and we get that guy on our main threat or if they don't JB/Key don't have to deal with that extra defender hedging coming off the screen like they do with ER/BK screening.. I'm not saying we shouldn't run our bigs to screen at all..But we are very easy to defend in the P and R because we only throw one version at teams from the same spot each game.
-Off ball movement for shooters..I'd like to see us run our better shooters off more baseline screens when the ball is up top or double screens (first baseline then foul line on weakside) when the shooter is on the weakside. We do run baseline stuff a little bit..But I think these things need to be a larger part of our offense.
-Then finally our OB plays..I actually have no problem with the 4 across alignment..It works for many other teams at various levels..The issue I have is our sets are all put in motion once the ball is inbounded..This is problematic because A. you take away any chance to get something off the inbound itself and B. Our inbound pass is predictable so teams can overplay it...Teams like Syracuse or Duke that have superior athletes can get away with this kind of set because the risk is minimal to just pin their guy and throw it up..Worst case they know their guys can win those 1v1 jump balls.. We don't have that kind of guy and to boot we have a 5'9 guy throwing it in (yes, he is 5'9). I know the staff likes to run JB off screens once it's in..But I don't get why you couldn't do similar things with him not inbounding it?..Instead lets keep the 4 across and run a series of cross screens and dives.. If you think about it through the years our lack of creativity inbounding the ball has cost us countless games..Not only do we probably average 1 or 2 turnovers a game with our current set, but we tend to give up easy looks on the other end..Maybe because we don't go against it in practice?? Regardless of the why..The result is a 4-6 point swing in most games against us..If you want to see some solid OB plays, look up Brad Stevens sets...Good shit
One positive I've seen recently is the willingness to change our defense in a game. Not just for the sake of change either. You have seen some of our opponents have to think their way through the game instead of just attacking..The token 3/4 pressure at times and then switching whether you sink into man or zone off of it based on situation is the kind of stuff many have wanted to see for years..It is not the magic solution to all our problems, you still have to execute whatever you run and make shots..But it is just one more thing teams have to scout us for. And anytime you make your opponent think instead of just play??..That is a good thing.
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I think we should one guy run this way, then another guy run that way, this man come and set a pick while that man runs around that pick, pass the ball to that guy, then that guy should shot fake and then pass an ollie oop to that first guy that was running this way who never stopped running and was finally close enough to the basket where he could jump and catch the ollie oop and then slam dunk it while in mid-air.
Two points.
Two points.
Pretty much all of this sounds good to me.
region rat
The All-MVC Level
Thanks, excellent!
You will have a hard time coming up with a better, more accurate post. Bravo to you sir.
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region rat
The All-MVC Level
How do you rate Buckhorns avatar?
He's had better in years past.
Is Buckhorn an old poster that's been gone for a while? His comments sure sound familiar.
I’m banking on that being true. But that’s just a shot in the dark.
region rat
The All-MVC Level
I think his avatar speaks for itself, a shot in the dark.
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It is intruiging to think of running some sets with guard to guard screens - even more so if the screener then is screened for on a back cut or flare out. Neese on the high post screen then roaming the wing or diving to FT area matches his catch and shoot, but not sure if the defense would just switch him and protect the 3pt line (which makes me wonder about screening the screener there).
If it is guard on guard, the switching could end up creating major match up problems in the post so it may prevent them from doing it. Lets say if Key/Neese are running the 1/2 spots and run that action. Someone will have a mismatch in the post that is an option and they don't close out, you've got spacing that should get a good shot. Against Valley teams with really small PGs, that could be an instabucket or easy foul draw.
I'm to the point where if any of our shooters have a couple feet spacing, they need to start letting it fly. I don't care if it is from 24 feet either.