MVFC moving to FBS

[southernindianaballer]

The ideal of ISU moving to FBS has been discussed over and over on this site - I know... But I notice the MVFC is ranked in the top 15 of 19 FBS conferences when comparing all FBS and FCS conferences (see sagarin)... Knowing that - if the MVFC teams had 22 more scholarships to give isn't it reasonable to believe they would be a top 10 conference consistently? They are already a top 15 consistently.
Isn't it reasonable to believe they would get a TV contract similar to the Mountain West if that were the case? Is it reasonable to believe each MVFC team would receive an additional 4-5 million as the Mountain West teams do? Adding 22 scholarships is 1.5-1.7 million more. It seems the payback is there. Am I missing something? Seems like a logical move to me and worth consideration?
Is it reasonable to believe the additional revenue would finance stadium upgrades were needed for particular MVFC schools?
Is it reasonable to believe the top 13 FBS conference teams can be profitable?
Is it reasonable to believe an FBS team would increase attendance?
Flame away at this!

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Mountain West teams don't get $4-5m from their TV deal. It's more like $1-2m IIRC. Feel free to Google. So to answer your questions:

1. No. Indiana State would need an entirely new stadium to move to FBS. Getting $1-2m from the media deal wouldn't even cover the additional scholarships and expenses associated with going to FBS, let alone a new stadium.

2. No. Very few programs are profitable as it is. Feel free to Google USA Today database for college sports financials.

3. Yes, but marginally and not enough to offset the cost. The sport is already a loss leader for the University and increased spending with little ROI would be an absolute boon to current and future students -- they'd have to find that money somewhere. Hello higher tuition bills.

We've already moved well past the $4m mark for football expenses during our football rebound and have little to show for it in 5-6 years. It's time for some of you to call and spade a spade. I hope like hell that Mallory can turn the program into a winner where it will actually make a DRASTIC difference in attendance. The only way this program survives long term is if they can get attendance average up in the 9 or 10k range and program giving up.

In fact, if the MVFC did decide they wanted to pursue FBS membership, and if football were going to survive, I'd really recommend that our administration consider moving to the Ohio Valley Conference. That's not being negative or a hater, it's being a realist. We don't have a large enough fan base that attends or donates back to the alma mater. Period.

 

[needles]

We just don't belong in the FBS, the FCS is just fine. With exception of NDSU and possibly UNI who in the the MVFC could truely move to the FBS and have overall success? Pure crazy talk!

 

[Sycamore Proud]

Well said Jason. If ever faced with th option of going FBS or dropping football--well I hope that never happens.

 

[4Q_iu]

Well said Jason. If ever faced with th option of going FBS or dropping football--well I hope that never happens.

The last time we attempted to play FBS football, we dropped wrestling and both gymnastics teams.... Jason is correct, all.alumni need to up their donations and attendance.

 

[niklz62]

The last time we attempted to play FBS football, we dropped wrestling and both gymnastics teams.... Jason is correct, all.alumni need to up their donations and attendance.

Was it causation or correlation? They based the original FBS/FCS split on stadium size.

 

[bent20]

We don't need to move up. If anything, we need a third level of Div. 1 where we can play. Then tier 2 of D1 can be for the MAC schools and NDSU-level FCS schools.

 

[southernindianaballer]

Here are the conference rankings - and this holds fairly true each year...

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 84.36 84.73 ( 1) 7 84.45 ( 1)
2 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 80.32 79.80 ( 2) 7 80.22 ( 2)
3 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 79.71 78.71 ( 3) 6 79.29 ( 3)
4 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 78.19 78.32 ( 4) 7 78.28 ( 4)
5 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 77.91 78.05 ( 5) 6 77.98 ( 5)
6 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 77.69 77.29 ( 7) 7 77.41 ( 7)
7 BIG 12 (A) = 77.62 77.44 ( 6) 10 77.63 ( 6)
8 SEC-EAST (A) = 76.16 75.75 ( 9) 7 76.07 ( 8)
9 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 75.84 76.06 ( 8) 7 75.85 ( 9)
10 AAC WEST (A) = 70.41 70.15 ( 10) 6 70.23 ( 10)
11 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 66.59 66.65 ( 11) 4 66.57 ( 11)
12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 65.45 65.92 ( 12) 6 65.78 ( 12)
13 AAC EAST (A) = 65.42 65.40 ( 13) 6 65.44 ( 13)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 64.52 64.72 ( 14) 6 64.65 ( 14)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 59.95 59.13 ( 16) 10 59.60 ( 15)
16 MWC-WEST (A) = 58.81 60.12 ( 15) 6 59.44 ( 16)
17 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 57.84 56.86 ( 18) 7 57.29 ( 17)
18 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 57.25 57.05 ( 17) 7 57.11 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 55.42 55.30 ( 20) 6 55.30 ( 20)
20 SUN BELT (A) = 55.28 55.74 ( 19) 12 55.61 ( 19)
21 COLONIAL (AA)= 49.54 49.91 ( 21) 12 49.68 ( 21)
22 BIG SKY (AA)= 48.56 48.15 ( 22) 13 48.25 ( 22)
23 SOUTHERN (AA)= 48.35 47.55 ( 23) 9 48.07 ( 23)
24 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 43.65 44.44 ( 24) 9 44.05 ( 24)
25 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 42.60 42.27 ( 25) 6 42.37 ( 25)
26 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 41.85 41.39 ( 26) 8 41.55 ( 26)
27 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 39.24 39.73 ( 27) 11 39.41 ( 27)
28 PATRIOT (AA)= 38.77 38.43 ( 28) 7 38.56 ( 28)
29 NORTHEAST (AA)= 34.97 35.55 ( 29) 7 35.44 ( 29)
30 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 28.81 29.21 ( 30) 11 28.96 ( 30)
31 SWAC-WEST (AA)= 27.43 26.92 ( 31) 5 27.38 ( 31)
32 SWAC-EAST (AA)= 23.51 22.99 ( 32) 5 23.33 ( 32)
33 PIONEER (AA)= 20.56 20.53 ( 33) 11 20.55 ( 33)
34 ***UNRATED*** (**)= -91.00 -91.00 ( 34) 1 -91.00 ( 34)

It is my understanding that the teams in the top 10 conferences are making money, via TV contracts, bowl money sharing, etc. Heck the MVFC would have limited expenses in travel compared to other conferences, true?
I have heard over and over on here that these teams are not making money... It's my understanding that they are making money... at least the upper 10 conference teams are. True? Look at the MWC.

Is the only question this? Can ISU make 1.5 million extra each season to cover the extra 22 scholarships? What other additional expenses are there? I ask because I don't know - not in hyperbole. Of course, a stadium upgrade would be needed.

How many butts would fill an ISU stadium to watch a couple FBS teams outside the MVFC in TH?

Also, I have heard over and over the last few years that the P5 are breaking off... The P5 are breaking away... The P5 are forming their own division... Where is the proof? We are several years into this revelation now aren't we? Is anyone on here willing to admit the P5 may be staying as is?

Heck some teams are fighting for a chance to be a low tier FBS team, are they not?

Is it fair to assume with 22 more scholarships on each MVFC team - the MVFC would rival a BigTen West conference?

Does anyone on here have enough balls to say, "Yea, if we do this right, keep expenses down, it will work moving to FBS." LOL just for S & G's

 

[sycamore tuff]

If you combine the different divisions of conferences such as the big 14 then it looks like we are the 7th ranked conference. Would people show up if we were fbs? I doubt we would do any better than 8k/game. Most people around here don't care about college football unless it is the big 14.

 

[Sycamore Proud]

Every time I find something like this I remember rumors back in 31/65 or 65/66. Seems like Northwestern was to be booted from the Big 10--it was only ten at the time. Member schools were concerned that the Wildcats were not competitive. Who was likely added to replace them? You guessed it--our Sycamores. Buy the way, there weren't too many students who actually believed this to be true. I'm proud to say that I did not fall for it.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

Here are the conference rankings - and this holds fairly true each year...

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 84.36 84.73 ( 1) 7 84.45 ( 1)
2 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 80.32 79.80 ( 2) 7 80.22 ( 2)
3 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 79.71 78.71 ( 3) 6 79.29 ( 3)
4 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 78.19 78.32 ( 4) 7 78.28 ( 4)
5 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 77.91 78.05 ( 5) 6 77.98 ( 5)
6 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 77.69 77.29 ( 7) 7 77.41 ( 7)
7 BIG 12 (A) = 77.62 77.44 ( 6) 10 77.63 ( 6)
8 SEC-EAST (A) = 76.16 75.75 ( 9) 7 76.07 ( 8)
9 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 75.84 76.06 ( 8) 7 75.85 ( 9)
10 AAC WEST (A) = 70.41 70.15 ( 10) 6 70.23 ( 10)
11 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 66.59 66.65 ( 11) 4 66.57 ( 11)
12 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 65.45 65.92 ( 12) 6 65.78 ( 12)
13 AAC EAST (A) = 65.42 65.40 ( 13) 6 65.44 ( 13)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 64.52 64.72 ( 14) 6 64.65 ( 14)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 59.95 59.13 ( 16) 10 59.60 ( 15)
16 MWC-WEST (A) = 58.81 60.12 ( 15) 6 59.44 ( 16)
17 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 57.84 56.86 ( 18) 7 57.29 ( 17)
18 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 57.25 57.05 ( 17) 7 57.11 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 55.42 55.30 ( 20) 6 55.30 ( 20)
20 SUN BELT (A) = 55.28 55.74 ( 19) 12 55.61 ( 19)
21 COLONIAL (AA)= 49.54 49.91 ( 21) 12 49.68 ( 21)
22 BIG SKY (AA)= 48.56 48.15 ( 22) 13 48.25 ( 22)
23 SOUTHERN (AA)= 48.35 47.55 ( 23) 9 48.07 ( 23)
24 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 43.65 44.44 ( 24) 9 44.05 ( 24)
25 BIG SOUTH (AA)= 42.60 42.27 ( 25) 6 42.37 ( 25)
26 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 41.85 41.39 ( 26) 8 41.55 ( 26)
27 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 39.24 39.73 ( 27) 11 39.41 ( 27)
28 PATRIOT (AA)= 38.77 38.43 ( 28) 7 38.56 ( 28)
29 NORTHEAST (AA)= 34.97 35.55 ( 29) 7 35.44 ( 29)
30 MID-EASTERN (AA)= 28.81 29.21 ( 30) 11 28.96 ( 30)
31 SWAC-WEST (AA)= 27.43 26.92 ( 31) 5 27.38 ( 31)
32 SWAC-EAST (AA)= 23.51 22.99 ( 32) 5 23.33 ( 32)
33 PIONEER (AA)= 20.56 20.53 ( 33) 11 20.55 ( 33)
34 ***UNRATED*** (**)= -91.00 -91.00 ( 34) 1 -91.00 ( 34)

It is my understanding that the teams in the top 10 conferences are making money, via TV contracts, bowl money sharing, etc. Heck the MVFC would have limited expenses in travel compared to other conferences, true?
I have heard over and over on here that these teams are not making money... It's my understanding that they are making money... at least the upper 10 conference teams are. True? Look at the MWC.

Is the only question this? Can ISU make 1.5 million extra each season to cover the extra 22 scholarships? What other additional expenses are there? I ask because I don't know - not in hyperbole. Of course, a stadium upgrade would be needed.

How many butts would fill an ISU stadium to watch a couple FBS teams outside the MVFC in TH?

Also, I have heard over and over the last few years that the P5 are breaking off... The P5 are breaking away... The P5 are forming their own division... Where is the proof? We are several years into this revelation now aren't we? Is anyone on here willing to admit the P5 may be staying as is?

Heck some teams are fighting for a chance to be a low tier FBS team, are they not?

Is it fair to assume with 22 more scholarships on each MVFC team - the MVFC would rival a BigTen West conference?

Does anyone on here have enough balls to say, "Yea, if we do this right, keep expenses down, it will work moving to FBS." LOL just for S & G's

*yawn*

This subject has been discussed and analyzed ad nauseam that if you're not even willing to put your own time into research and bring some original ideas to the table, why waste our time?