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I can now do this without having to draw assumptions. Jake Kelly will be a Sycamore next season and we have a heck of a freshman class comming in. So here is what I think the lineup card will look like next season.

PG. Marshall
SG. Latham
SF. Kelly
PF. Richard
C. Martin

Bench:
PG: Jake Odum (assuming they don't red shirt him, they might)
SG. Printy
PG: Reed (He is not better than Odum don't even play the experience card)
C. Crawford
SF. Mahurin (Could play him at SG or SF)
PF. Koang
SF. Carter (You see backer hes not in the top 8, not even close)
 

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Hey first time poster here! Been looking at the board a while and thought id share my opinion on the topic.

PG. Marshall
SG. Latham
SF. Kelly
PF. Richard
C. Martin

Bench:
PG: Reed (Sr. who really improved from the beginning of the year)
SG. Printy (good shooter off the bench)
PG: Odum ( watched every one of his games this year. think he is going to be special! but needs to develop a outside shot first)
C. Crawford (he's tall... thats about it. lol
SF. Carter ( has his moments. Some games great some games awful)
PF. Koang (wildcard of the bunch)
PF. Mahurin( Not high on him at all. they should redshirt him and have him bulk up. He is way to slow to play the SF position. He needs to get stronger and be a PF that can step out and shoot it)
 
Did you graduate from South in 1907 or 2007? And if you gradauted in 2007 do you currently attend Indiana State or are you one of those closet Sycamore fans who actually goes to IU?

And if you graduated in 1907 did you know that your converter box will not work for cable anymore? Cudos for using the computer though!
 
Morgan said:
Did you graduate from South in 1907 or 2007? And if you gradauted in 2007 do you currently attend Indiana State or are you one of those closet Sycamore fans who actually goes to IU?

And if you graduated in 1907 did you know that your converter box will not work for cable anymore? Cudos for using the computer though!
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Good one Morgan, good one...................................ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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Morgan said:
Did you graduate from South in 1907 or 2007? And if you gradauted in 2007 do you currently attend Indiana State or are you one of those closet Sycamore fans who actually goes to IU?

And if you graduated in 1907 did you know that your converter box will not work for cable anymore? Cudos for using the computer though!
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Good joke but yes i graduated in 07 and go to ISU. I am a huge Sycamore and IU fan though. Its been a tough year to say the least. lol
 
Also what is the deal on Latham? I have heard from various sources he has big time talent. I know he scored about 9 ppg at La. tech before coming here. Anybody got any insight on his game? Is he better than Reed or Marshall?
 

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I'm curious about Lathan, too. That Lousiana Tech team he played for was pretty bad from the looks of it. Six wins.
 
10 man rotation for 09-10

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All of this talk of Jake Kelly coming to ISU, and possibly Nate Blank as well got me thinking about next years rotation. I think next year, and for a few years after, you are going to see the real Kevin McKenna style Sycamores. Remember, he likes to press, and push tempo. He has been hamstrung his first two years due to lack of depth. Well, no more. Here is my opinion on the first 10 to see the floor next year, in no specific order, because starting spots will be up for grabs. Competition breeds better players.
1. Harry Marshall
2. Rashad Reed
3. Carl Richard
4. Dwayne Lathan
5. Isiah Martin
6. Josh Crawford
7. Jake Kelly
8. Aaron Carter
9. Jake Odum
10. Koang Dulouny

Brant and Jordan Printy will also see time, depending. If Nate Blank comes, he sits out. And if Kelly is forced to sit out, slide Printy up into the top 10. Either way, depth and talent will really help this team for the next two years.

Sorry, didn't see this was all ready a thread.
 
I have to disagree with some of these starting lineups, but only about Jake Kelly, as was pointed out on the "other" ISU board by Ong Hop, Jake Kelly THRIVED at the PG position his last 8 games at Iowa, he was not happy as a swing guard, so I will be very surprised if he is not ISU's starting point guard when he is eligible to play.
 
Morgan said:
I can now do this without having to draw assumptions. Jake Kelly will be a Sycamore next season and we have a heck of a freshman class comming in. So here is what I think the lineup card will look like next season.

PG. Marshall
SG. Latham
SF. Kelly
PF. Richard
C. Martin

Bench:
PG: Jake Odum (assuming they don't red shirt him, they might)
SG. Printy
PG: Reed (He is not better than Odum don't even play the experience card)
C. Crawford
SF. Mahurin (Could play him at SG or SF)
PF. Koang
SF. Carter (You see backer hes not in the top 8, not even close)
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Any way you look it, that's depth. Unbelievable compared to a few years ago. We've had teams with only 2-3 players that could shoot. I'm hoping our overall ability and play can compensate for our "average" inside game. However, if Richard plays well at 4, all we need is for two of the others to rise up. I'm not a fan of Crawford or Leitnaker, but if one of them can at least play good D, that will help.
It's interesting that during the first half of last season, most fans including me were thinking that we didn't have near enough talent to compete. Then all of a sudden, we starting competing and beating some of the best teams. So I don't think our excitement is just false hope.

As far as Carter, all I want is for you to admit that you are wrong at the end of next year if he is in the top 8 in minutes and points. It's weird that you think he is going to fall from 3rd or 4th to 9th by adding 2 experienced players.
 
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So the deal is that Aaron Carter will be in the top 8 in mins and pts next season? If he is in the top 8 in both I am supposed to come on here and publicly admit to being wrong?

Ok Deal.

Granted that put's HUGE expectations on a freshman class. And I know how you all feel about expecting anything out of freshman. Which in my opinion is the flat out stupidest thing I have ever heard. But I will go ahead and bank on the additions of Kelly, Lathum, Odum, RJ & Eitels and say that you my friend will be the one to admit you are wrong. However I won't need for you to admit to anything because I already know I'm going to be right!

Thanks
 

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I would be absolutely shocked if any of the freshmen cracked the top 8 if Kelly plays, nobody leaves, and we don't have significant injuries. I think you would agree to that.
It's possible that Kelly ends up at PG, which would surely move Odum to a RS with Reed and Harry available for PG duty. The tribune said also that Latham can play 2-4. If he plays some 4, that changes some of the potential substitutions that have been posted. Although, I have pretty high hopes for Richard. I haven't seen that he has a good 5-15 ft J though. I hope he's working on that.

Whatever the case, we seem to have the required depth for 8 or more players to contribute satisfactorily and potently. It's not unreasonable, is it, to suggest that our 2nd 5 could be better than some of our starting lineups in the last 10 years?

It will be interesting to see the substitutions. Coach basically cut them down in the latter part of the season. There was a team playing in the NCAA regional that had 9 players score and 11 play.

I hope you understand that Carter was dunking in HS the way Harry did: rebounds, drives and alleyoops. Some of the players don't have that athletic ability. And AC can put the ball on the floor and penetrate and shoot .355 on 3's. I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised by him. (and yes, players do get better with experience)
And I will most definitely admit defeat if he is not in the top 8, although I think that would imply a very successful season.
 
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sycamorebacker said:
I hope you understand that Carter was dunking in HS the way Harry did: rebounds, drives and alleyoops. Some of the players don't have that athletic ability. And AC can put the ball on the floor and penetrate and shoot .355 on 3's. I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised by him. (and yes, players do get better with experience)
And I will most definitely admit defeat if he is not in the top 8, although I think that would imply a very successful season.
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I agree even if Carter is 8th in min/pts that would mean I am wrong but that would indeed imply a very successful season.

Again we must see totally different thing's in AC. When he drives to the basket, 90% of the time it is with his head and shoulders down at the hardwood. How many times do you see him drive shoulder first and kick it back out? ALOT. Trust me I have a pretty good angle on it where I sit. I honestly believe that RJ and Jake Odum are both better than AC. However with the depth at PG I think it's very possible that Odum could Red Shirt.

Keep in mind the NCAA has not ruled on whether or not Kelly will be able to play next year. Assume he has to sit out a year. Then I will assure you that Jake Odum does not red shirt. Also if the NCAA does not rule in Kelly's favor our "AC 8 V 8" (that's what we are calling this bet) is over. :)
 
I'm at least glad that you think that RJ's better than AC. Several people have said that he needs to get stronger. That's funny, really. If I had a penny for every time someone said that about a HS kid, you and I would both be millionaires.
 
Yeah... well if I can some how convince you that you are under rating Jake Odum extreamly I will have done all I needed to do. I understand what you say about the development of a PG at the college level. I understand their are more growing pains at that position in college basketball. But Jake Odum is #1 a better ball handler and better passer than Harry, Printy, Marshall, AC hands down. I have seen Jake Odum play enough to make a pretty good assment on that. Jake Odum also has the ablity to get to the rim and finish just like Harry. Same type of player in that respect.
 

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I don't think I'm underrating him. I went to the Ben Davis game. I think he could have scored enough pts on layups to beat them if he had needed to. He never has to pick up his dribble and has great length and creativity when he drives. It's just a matter of stepping that up to D1. He could have some trouble against some real, quick guards but, heck, who wouldn't. He is crafty and his ballhandling is a tremendous asset.

All I meant in my post about Odum and RJ was that I thought RJ was closer to a can't miss prospect for us. In my adult life following ISU I have seen over 150 freshmen come into the program. I haven't seen too many RJ's size that averaged about 20 ppg and shot 58% (many of them 3's) that did NOT help us. There, frankly, have not been that many. When you look at people like Kante, Adler, Martin, etc. they probably averaged in the teens. Of course none had the range that RJ has. Then you look at players like Ric Williams, Eddie Bird, Matt Renn, etc they could shoot and they scored a bunch for us.
You may be too young or not aware of Chad Tucker, but he was a 6'8" from Cloverdale that was slower than gravy. He went to Butler and scored a bunch for them.
 
sycamorebacker said:
You may be too young or not aware of Chad Tucker, but he was a 6'8" from Cloverdale that was slower than gravy. He went to Butler and scored a bunch for them.
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I remember Chad Boy do I remeber him . Anyway your right he could shoot lights out ,and could not beat himself in a race
 
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