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name the programs that have worse facilities than the Sycamores and provide empirical evidence.
put your $$$ where your mouth is and donate to the Sycamore Athl Foundation, Varsity Club
yesterday, legend has it the Mother Nature provided a FANTASTIC day of weather for a football game... how many were on hand? 3,013 per ESPN
for ALL of the proclamations of ISU Homecoming keeping Terre Haute alive, economically, look at the attendance for the Murray State gm (3,056) and compare it to Homecoming (4,266)... and now with the FIRST win over a ranked team in 6 years on a BEAUTIFUL, Fall Day in the Midwest, only 3,013 people agreed with you... that venerable Memorial Stadium was the ONLY place to be on Saturday
I'm not sure who possesses more delusions of ISU football grandeur... you, BobbyK, or another person
Almost every school in the country collects ticket money from their fans and then subsidizes the rest of their athletics with student fees and conference distributions. It doesn't matter if it's Ball State, Indiana State, Indianapolis, or Rose Hulman. In a different way high schools subsidize their athletics through property taxes. Professional teams are subsidized by tax payers with their multi-billion dollar stadiums. If it wasn't for the state of Indiana giving ISU $50M, the Hulman Center would still have plywood and duct tape hanging in the bathrooms.
I'll do that later this evening when I have more time. It won't be too hard to find lots of examples. I for one can name a school that's 55 minutes west of Terre Haute that at a minimum has an almost identical facility, and has had lots of success at the FCS level, and produced NFL talent.
When I was on vacation in Utah last fall I went to a Weber State game. Their stadium had seats on both sides and was at the base of a mountain, but as far as the stadium itself goes I didn't find it infinitely better than Memorial Stadium. Actually I thought their setup was weird. Couldn't access the stands from the entry gate when players were entering and exiting the locker rooms. The concession stands were scattered on the ends of the field. The only thing that was sort of convenient was the bathrooms.
Drove by Charleston Southern's field when I was truck driving down in SC and it looked like a high school stadium.
SycamoreBlue3209
The Newsom Level
@Sycamorefan96 we’re all waiting on the edge of our seats for the “Who has a shittier stadium discussion”…
Still astonishing how much you miss the point that even the folks that think the best economic decision for ISU is sans football, will always still root for the team to win and be a great representation of Indiana State.
Still astonishing how much you miss the point that even the folks that think the best economic decision for ISU is sans football, will always still root for the team to win and be a great representation of Indiana State.
I went through every stadium in FCS last night. In some cases it's hard to judge stadiums based purely on photos and GSV images, but ISU's stadium is comparable to roughly half of the schools in FCS, and I'd argue that half of those are glaringly worse than ISU's. By comparable I mean by quality and seating capacity. Some schools may have seats on both sides, but their sides only go up 20 rows.
No other FCS school out there seems to have nearly as convenient of a setup for parking and tailgating as we do. ISU's stadium is clearly #1 in that category across the board.
Obviously our stadium is currently the worst in the MVFC, although it is comparable to Murray State's, even though Murray State's one sided stadium seats almost 17,000. Most of the schools in the Big Sky, SWAC, and Ivy League have nicer stadiums than we do. Once you get into the CAA, SOCON, OVC, Patriot League, Southland conferences we're definitely average in those. If we were in the NEC we'd likely have the best stadium in that conference, or at least one of the best.
I'm not sure which FCS schools have indoor practice facilities and the information is hard to find without googling every single school, and I just don't have time for that. I believe most of the MVFC either has one or is in the process of building one. For FCS as a whole I would guess that a vast majority of the schools do not have one. The MVFC and Big Sky are the "P2 of FCS" similar to how the SEC and B1G are the "P2 of FBS", so most of the MVFC and BSC schools have better facilities and funding than the rest of FCS as a whole.
I'm not going to go through and list every school out there. Here's a Wikipedia link for FCS Stadiums and you all can go through and check them out yourselves.
en.wikipedia.org
No other FCS school out there seems to have nearly as convenient of a setup for parking and tailgating as we do. ISU's stadium is clearly #1 in that category across the board.
Obviously our stadium is currently the worst in the MVFC, although it is comparable to Murray State's, even though Murray State's one sided stadium seats almost 17,000. Most of the schools in the Big Sky, SWAC, and Ivy League have nicer stadiums than we do. Once you get into the CAA, SOCON, OVC, Patriot League, Southland conferences we're definitely average in those. If we were in the NEC we'd likely have the best stadium in that conference, or at least one of the best.
I'm not sure which FCS schools have indoor practice facilities and the information is hard to find without googling every single school, and I just don't have time for that. I believe most of the MVFC either has one or is in the process of building one. For FCS as a whole I would guess that a vast majority of the schools do not have one. The MVFC and Big Sky are the "P2 of FCS" similar to how the SEC and B1G are the "P2 of FBS", so most of the MVFC and BSC schools have better facilities and funding than the rest of FCS as a whole.
I'm not going to go through and list every school out there. Here's a Wikipedia link for FCS Stadiums and you all can go through and check them out yourselves.
List of NCAA Division I FCS football stadiums - Wikipedia
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bent20
The Odum Level
Careful how hard you pat yourself on the back. You've been the one leading the fire Mallory talk on here.
Honestly, my preference is for Mallory to rebuild the program so well that he'll earn an extension after 3 more seasons, since ISU isn't going buy him out. If his contract was up at the end of this season, then at this point I still wouldn't be in favor of an extension.
As BobbyK referenced I was sick of the play calling: run, run, pass on third and long. Two days ago was probably the best play calling I've seen in the Mallory era since his second season as head coach.
What happened to him?
I hope he gets an extension as well. He wants to be here instead of a stepping stone for a better coaching job. Loved his post game interview. He was genuinely very happy and excited with the win. Keep up the open playbook.
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Good question. Might want to email him. He usually returns all my mail.
I went through every stadium in FCS last night. In some cases it's hard to judge stadiums based purely on photos and GSV images, but ISU's stadium is comparable to roughly half of the schools in FCS, and I'd argue that half of those are glaringly worse than ISU's. By comparable I mean by quality and seating capacity. Some schools may have seats on both sides, but their sides only go up 20 rows.
No other FCS school out there seems to have nearly as convenient of a setup for parking and tailgating as we do. ISU's stadium is clearly #1 in that category across the board.
Obviously our stadium is currently the worst in the MVFC, although it is comparable to Murray State's, even though Murray State's one sided stadium seats almost 17,000. Most of the schools in the Big Sky, SWAC, and Ivy League have nicer stadiums than we do. Once you get into the CAA, SOCON, OVC, Patriot League, Southland conferences we're definitely average in those. If we were in the NEC we'd likely have the best stadium in that conference, or at least one of the best.
I'm not sure which FCS schools have indoor practice facilities and the information is hard to find without googling every single school, and I just don't have time for that. I believe most of the MVFC either has one or is in the process of building one. For FCS as a whole I would guess that a vast majority of the schools do not have one. The MVFC and Big Sky are the "P2 of FCS" similar to how the SEC and B1G are the "P2 of FBS", so most of the MVFC and BSC schools have better facilities and funding than the rest of FCS as a whole.
I'm not going to go through and list every school out there. Here's a Wikipedia link for FCS Stadiums and you all can go through and check them out yourselves.
List of NCAA Division I FCS football stadiums - Wikipedia
by went through, you mean you looked at a lot of pics/photos on the world wide web... nice, got it - NOT the in-depth research required to defend your claim of ISU's Stadium Isn't The Worse...
The ONLY FCS stadium I've been in "recently" is the 100-year old Memorial Stadium on Wabash Ave... I think it was either 2019, maybe 2018; likely Homecoming...
Concessions were an absolute joke - old, cold, stale popcorn and warm sodas were NOT what I was expecting, nor wanted. I saw countless spots of chipped, peeling, fading paint WHEN I saw paint... I noticed, stepped over several spots of cracked (and I mean 'frost heave-like cracks') in the pavement and walkways under the bleachers...
I think the men's room had 1-2 working sinks; the fixtures were loose and I believe even one of the sinks was NOT (fully) anchored to the wall. Granted, none of that will appear on a wiki page b/c no school is going to capture that and publicize it. Ideally, the tens of thousands, the HUNDREDS of thousands of deep-pocketed fans who descend upon the Queen City of the Wabash, WEEKLY during football season have injected hordes upon hordes of ca$h into the program that these piddling, stadium issues were fixed in the offseason after that game.
COVID and the past seasons have NOT provided enough interest for me to attend a game.
IF ISU is going to continue the football program; it's going to take money - those who 'demand' the program need to up their game - period.
Memorial Stadium has a 4.5 star rating on Google, so apparently not everybody thinks it sucks.
I've never had bad popcorn or warm drinks from the concession stands. Did you not get any ice? Now they're slower than a turtle, I'll give you that, but they're slow at the Hulman Center too and they serve the same stuff there. Unless I get to football and basketball games early I usually just do without anymore because it's not worth missing extended periods of the game to stand in line for an eternity.
I've not noticed any dangerous cracks in the pavement below. Maybe they've patched them up since you've been. Something needing paint or a new coat of paint doesn't make it bad.
The rest rooms are the restrooms. Everything has been operational and clean in the ones I use. Not had any issues with the sinks. I don't expect the Taj Mahal when I go take a leak. I'm there to watch a game, not to play around in the restrooms.
I've never had bad popcorn or warm drinks from the concession stands. Did you not get any ice? Now they're slower than a turtle, I'll give you that, but they're slow at the Hulman Center too and they serve the same stuff there. Unless I get to football and basketball games early I usually just do without anymore because it's not worth missing extended periods of the game to stand in line for an eternity.
I've not noticed any dangerous cracks in the pavement below. Maybe they've patched them up since you've been. Something needing paint or a new coat of paint doesn't make it bad.
The rest rooms are the restrooms. Everything has been operational and clean in the ones I use. Not had any issues with the sinks. I don't expect the Taj Mahal when I go take a leak. I'm there to watch a game, not to play around in the restrooms.
Only stadium I’ve been in where the water is hot to wash your hands in the bathroom.
I think they finally turned down the temperature on them this year. I remember when they used to be really hot too.
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Not sure I'd cite google as a source of quality ratings...
I've never expected any form of a "Taj Mahal" like experience ANYWHERE in Terre Haute - that's not how Terredise rolls
I've long had very basic expectations regarding ISU sports; win and I'm entertained. Concessions? fresh popcorn, doesn't have to be hot or even warm but freshly popped... Drinks? Cold sodas and Hot coffee... I rarely leave a game to get a concession, that's why the 'pause' button was invented. I don't recall the lines being terribly long but then the variety and quality were so poor, I doubt the demand was high.
as the rest of the amenities... again, my basic expectations were met... but the place (stadium) looked horrible. And people notice how a place looks and the amenities of a locale -- recently, there was an entire thread on 'competing convenience store chains' in a different forum...
plenty of fan bases put up with mediocre teams if the fan experience is top notch OR at least better than the product on the field
ISU Football and Memorial Stadium are missing both of those benchmarks
