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11 Notre Dame athletes arrested on drinking charges
Joe Montana's son among those cited
By Tom Coyne / Associated Press

SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- The son of former Notre Dame standout Joe Montana was among 11 Fighting Irish athletes arrested on misdemeanor charges of underage drinking at a party Friday night.

A total of 44 people were arrested after city police responded to a call about a fight near a roadway and discovered the party, said St. Joseph County Police assistant chief Bill Redman.

Two non-athletes face a misdemeanor charge of providing alcohol to minors. The arrests were handled by state excise police, who didn't immediately return a message seeking comment on Saturday.

The most recognizable athletes arrested were Nate Montana, a walk-on who was the backup to starter Dayne Crist coming out of the spring, and Tim Abromaitis, the second leading scorer on the Irish basketball team at 16.1 points a game last season.

Montana spent last season as a backup at Pasadena City (Calif.) College. Several incoming freshmen are expected to compete with him for the No. 2 spot when practice begins next month.

The other athletes arrested were wide receivers Robby Toma and Tai-ler Jones, linebacker Steve Filer, kicker Nick Tausch, cornerback Lo Wood, and offensive linemen Chris Watt and Tate Nichols; incoming freshman point guard Eric Atkins; and incoming hockey goalie Steven Summerhays.

Most of those arrested had been released on $150 bond, Redman said. They are scheduled to make court appearances July 30.

If convicted, each faces a maximum sentence of 30 days in jail.

Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly said he was aware of the arrests and was gathering information.

"If there is any team-related discipline to be issued, it would be handled internally," he said.

Bernie Cafarelli, Notre Dame's sports information director, said basketball coach Mike Brey also would handle any punishment internally.
 

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And?

Why is this even of importance? All will complete the alcohol classes that the county/state offers, will pay their fine and record of the infraction will disappear. It is really no big deal for those that are underage. Sure they went to jail, but in all actuality, this is no different than getting a speeding ticket. They will defer the charges, take the classes and go on about their business, Kelly may have them run some sprints, might even force them to miss a few practices or something like that, but I would be amazed if it goes any further than that.
 
TJames said:
Montana spent last season as a backup at Pasadena City (Calif.) College. Several incoming freshmen are expected to compete with him for the No. 2 spot when practice begins next month.
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The only thing that surprises me about this is that Joe Montana's son was a backup at a juco.
 
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Sackalot said:
And?

Why is this even of importance? All will complete the alcohol classes that the county/state offers, will pay their fine and record of the infraction will disappear. It is really no big deal for those that are underage. Sure they went to jail, but in all actuality, this is no different than getting a speeding ticket. They will defer the charges, take the classes and go on about their business, Kelly may have them run some sprints, might even force them to miss a few practices or something like that, but I would be amazed if it goes any further than that.
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Maybe people should (finally) start to think about that list of attributes uncritically attached to the elites we field at student and taxpayer expense. Maybe "leadership" and "role model" doesn't really apply to each and every athlete student who is sent out to entertain the fans. Maybe they're just kids who are way over their heads in commitment and responsibility to business forces they aren't prepared to understand.
 
The athlete part of this is not an issue as you can see less than a third were athletes. 3 weeks ago in my area two different parties were busted with underage drinkers and about 25 or so were cited but only 4 or 5 were area athletes, and these were recent high school grads. This is not a new event, it has been going on forever in college. I am not saying that it is 100% right but we can not use this as a platform to critize the athletes or personnel bias against athletics. I wander why the club affiliations or frat/sor. affiliations were not made public,or what majors the others were in was not made public. I don't think that anyone would want universities to stop giving scholarships to lets say, history majors because 11 out of 44 were on academic scholarships in the history department. I graduated college nearly 30 years ago and underage drinking was going on then but it was not blasted all over the paper everytime a ticket was issued.
 
Yea i tend to agree i mean come on alot of us did it when we were that age I know I did so it is crazy for people who did it as a underage student to criticize those who are ding it now. hell I got drunk moreoften as a pre 21 year old than I ever did as a Post 21 year old . Not saying its right just saying it happens
 

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garyd63 said:
Maybe people should (finally) start to think about that list of attributes uncritically attached to the elites we field at student and taxpayer expense. Maybe "leadership" and "role model" doesn't really apply to each and every athlete student who is sent out to entertain the fans. Maybe they're just kids who are way over their heads in commitment and responsibility to business forces they aren't prepared to understand.
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Did you ever go to a party or drink as an undergrad?
 
garyd63 said:
Maybe people should (finally) start to think about that list of attributes uncritically attached to the elites we field at student and taxpayer expense. Maybe "leadership" and "role model" doesn't really apply to each and every athlete student who is sent out to entertain the fans. Maybe they're just kids who are way over their heads in commitment and responsibility to business forces they aren't prepared to understand.
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Or maybe they are just college kids like the rest of the students.
 
i do agree....i think that every time a university employee gets arrested.....

it should be made as big a deal as when a student-athlete or coach gets arrested for the same thing.....

and the only reason that i posted the article in the first place...was to try and show...that things do occur...even at so-called "elite" schools like notre dame.....

i mean, when i worked at isu, i know of a bunch of professors and staff people who had been arrested for various offenses.....but unless you worked there....you would never know anything about it....but if it was a student-athlete or a coach....it was plastered all over the newspaper and on tv......

i was working at isu when one of the professors was associated with a guy who was killing young men from indy to chicago.....and the school was hard-pressed to fire him..until enough kids quit taking his classes...and parents threatened to pull their kids from the school.....that isu officials were finally forced to do something......
 
Or maybe, the issue really is more about the drinking age and the prohibition that was created by Congress when they forced the drinking age to be raised to 21...

Or maybe the issue is that kids are so over programmed, so lamblasted with media, so inundated with information that they seek the release that drugs and alcohol provide.

Or maybe it is the fact that college students put so much pressure on themselves and pressure from their families, friends, etc (regardless of athlete or not) that they crack under the pressure.

Or maybe it is the issue that not enough education outside the classroom is occurring

Or maybe it is that not enough education is happening inside the classroom

All are possible. But IMHO students drink because they want too. They get caught drinking because they are stupid (in most cases). It is proven that this will not stop, it is proven that the majority of college students (some studies show over 60%) binge drink. This situation at Notre Dame is nothing new. It happens every weekend at virtually every residential college in the country.

And, just to make one other point. Fraternity and Sorority is always brought up in these cases. Notre Dame has no Greek Life, but just look at ISU. 4 years ago, 139 undergrads and local kids were arrested at the Theta Chi house; that was all over the papers, news, etc. Trust me, if a fraternity is involved, it will be in the news and specifically mentioned that the fraternity was involved.
 
Sackalot - if 139 people got arrested at one time anywhere in the world for anything it would make national news so in TH it probably made a big splash in the media.
 

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JustAskin said:
Sackalot - if 139 people got arrested at one time anywhere in the world for anything it would make national news so in TH it probably made a big splash in the media.
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Of course it did. My point is that if it involves a fraternity you better beleive that is going to make the news, just like a situation involving a student athlete. It is an identifiable group that the media will "blame"
 
I believe...

TJames said:
it should be made as big a deal as when a student-athlete or coach gets arrested for the same thing.....

and the only reason that i posted the article in the first place...was to try and show...that things do occur...even at so-called "elite" schools like notre dame.....

i mean, when i worked at isu, i know of a bunch of professors and staff people who had been arrested for various offenses.....but unless you worked there....you would never know anything about it....but if it was a student-athlete or a coach....it was plastered all over the newspaper and on tv......

i was working at isu when one of the professors was associated with a guy who was killing young men from indy to chicago.....and the school was hard-pressed to fire him..until enough kids quit taking his classes...and parents threatened to pull their kids from the school.....that isu officials were finally forced to do something......
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I had that professor for an English comp or English Lit. class... I remember that story; it got a fair amount of coverage considering he was a 'person of interest' in the case...

The Aviation Technology Professor that was found innocent when he killed an intruder in his (or his girlfriend's) Indianapolis home got a fair amount of coverage as well - didn't it?
 
Looks like there is a pointless argument brewing (no pun intended) Students are going to drink when they are in college. There is a VERY small percentage that doesn't drink at all. Student will always drink underage thats just how things are. The only real solution to this "problem" is to lower he drinking age to 18.

Students are doing drugs now more than ever too and I think that has a lot to do with underage drinking. Students are doing drugs because they are much more discreet than sitting at a college party getting drunk for 3-5 hours.....

This is really a dumb argument. It happens everywhere, ISU, IU, Notre Dame, Duke....you name it, all these kids are getting into colleges and drinking their asses off..
 
Ughh...

garyd63 said:
Maybe people should (finally) start to think about that list of attributes uncritically attached to the elites we field at student and taxpayer expense. Maybe "leadership" and "role model" doesn't really apply to each and every athlete student who is sent out to entertain the fans. Maybe they're just kids who are way over their heads in commitment and responsibility to business forces they aren't prepared to understand.
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What exactly are you trying to say?
These kids are 18-20 and they have a ton of pressure on them. Would all of us be able to handle the kind of pressure say someone like John Wall has being 18 years old? Heck No!

These STUDENT ATHLETES aren't trying to be role models. I honestly think the majority of them just try to blend in....

Gary, not all student athletes are good role models but neither are college professors, elementary school teachers, doctors and even cops....:rolleyes:
 
Its a very pointless arguement. We got people suggesting that "elites" are role models. And that they are tarnished by having a drink. These athletes can go off and fight for our country, defend the freedoms, but can't have a drink. utterly ridiculous!!!!

if you can't tell I think that the drinking age should be 18! As I also think that alcohol should be sold on Sunday, etc., etc., etc.
 

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is it true that alcohol can be sold at the rex games.....

but not at isu athletic events.......if bob warn field is on isu property....and it is...then the same rules should govern the other athletic facilities as well..especially since the rex are comprised of college athletes......
 
TJames said:
but not at isu athletic events.......if bob warn field is on isu property....and it is...then the same rules should govern the other athletic facilities as well..especially since the rex are comprised of college athletes......
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YUP! You sure can buy beer there. I had a few myself during the season opener....Only $5 for a warm Bud Light or Bud Diesel...:cheers:
 
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