Indiana State Sycamores (2-1, 0-0 MVFC) vs. Missouri State Bears (1-2, 0-0 MVFC)
Plaster Stadium -Springfield, MO
Saturday, October 3, 2015
Kickoff: 3:05pm EST
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[October 3, 2015] #22/#23 Indiana State (2-1) at Missouri State (1-2)
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Indiana State Sycamores (2-1, 0-0 MVFC) vs. Missouri State Bears (1-2, 0-0 MVFC)
Plaster Stadium -Springfield, MO
Saturday, October 3, 2015
Kickoff: 3:05pm EST
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Stats Comparison:
Total Offense: ISU 414ypg (32nd), MSU 291ypg (93rd)
Rushing Offense: 201ypg (29th), MSU 158.7ypg (52nd)
Passing Offense: 213ypg (56th), MSU 132.3ypg (102nd)
Scoring Offense: 31.7ppg (30th), MSU 11.7ppg (109th)
Total Defense: 433ypg (78th), MSU 508ypg (109th)
Rushing Defense: 217ypg (91st), MSU 291.7ypg (116th)
Passing Defense: 216ypg (55th), MSU 216.3ypg (56th)
Scoring Defense: 27.7ppg (56th), MSU 48.7ppg (113th)
Turnover Margin: 0.67 (35th), MSU -1.33 (101st)
3rd Down Conversion: 24.4% (108th), MSU 20.9% (114th)
3rd Down Conv D: 36.7% (50th), MSU 47.6% (95th)
Red Zone O: 85.7% (44th), MSU 100% (1st)
Red Zone D: 77.8% (44th), MSU 87.5% (83rd)
Sacks: 6 (52nd), MSU 2 (106th)
TFL: 22 (39th), MSU 15 (85th)
Sacks Allowed: 13 (119th), MSU 4 (31st)
TOP: 29:07 (73rd), MSU 28:15 (85th)
Total Offense: ISU 414ypg (32nd), MSU 291ypg (93rd)
Rushing Offense: 201ypg (29th), MSU 158.7ypg (52nd)
Passing Offense: 213ypg (56th), MSU 132.3ypg (102nd)
Scoring Offense: 31.7ppg (30th), MSU 11.7ppg (109th)
Total Defense: 433ypg (78th), MSU 508ypg (109th)
Rushing Defense: 217ypg (91st), MSU 291.7ypg (116th)
Passing Defense: 216ypg (55th), MSU 216.3ypg (56th)
Scoring Defense: 27.7ppg (56th), MSU 48.7ppg (113th)
Turnover Margin: 0.67 (35th), MSU -1.33 (101st)
3rd Down Conversion: 24.4% (108th), MSU 20.9% (114th)
3rd Down Conv D: 36.7% (50th), MSU 47.6% (95th)
Red Zone O: 85.7% (44th), MSU 100% (1st)
Red Zone D: 77.8% (44th), MSU 87.5% (83rd)
Sacks: 6 (52nd), MSU 2 (106th)
TFL: 22 (39th), MSU 15 (85th)
Sacks Allowed: 13 (119th), MSU 4 (31st)
TOP: 29:07 (73rd), MSU 28:15 (85th)
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Looking at our schedule it is gonna be tough to make the playoffs (which is a shame considering we have a good team but we play in a great conference). But this is another "must win" if we want to even be considered as a playoff team.
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BlueSycamore
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This is not even close to being a playoff team. Not nearly strong enough at QB & neither the O-line or the secondary is living up to the hype. I see two more possible wins and this game is one of them & SIU is the other. Sorry but I am not drinking the kool-aid.
I like hearing people say we're not a playoff team, because in previous years when we thought we were playoff teams, we fell short.
All we've done so far is destroyed a team we were suppose to destroy, lose to a BIG10 team we were supposed to lose to and won a home game vs an FCS team that is better than we thought.
niklz62
The JSW Level
the SEMO game isnt close with Underwood playing the 2nd half.
the last drive doesnt happen without the unsportsmanlike penalty
the last drive doesnt happen without the unsportsmanlike penalty
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I worked through the schedule last night, and I can see a path to 7-4 and a likely playoff berth. Some things would have to bounce our way, and other things would have to happen just right, but we're not that far away, particularly if we can get Sewell back by November to anchor that secondary. And quit with the stupid penalties...:guns:
Might not happen, but I found that it really isn't as out of the question as I thought it was...
Might not happen, but I found that it really isn't as out of the question as I thought it was...
TwoMinuteDrill
The Sycamore Level
This is not the 2013 team!!!! In 2013 we would have lost Saturday, no doubt. First, SEMO has a pretty strong defense, prior to the fourth quarter they only gave up 2 defense TD's to Missouri. Third quarter TD at Missouri was a punt return and 4Q TD was late in game. So please give credit were credit is due. I will admit offensively SEMO is not that strong. Having said this we had 5 defensive starters out and 6 when Underwood got hurt. Some fans challenged our heart last week (I was not one), I liked our heart this week! Last time I check it is listed as a WIN, not an almost win, not a they got lucky win, but a W. Illinois State barely escaped here last year with a WIN (that they shouldn't have gotten). When I double checked the results they still counted it as a win and allowed them to play for the national championship.
The sky is not falling, we have two weeks to get guys healthy again. Yes if we can get most of our team healthy and back then I am drinking the koolaid.
Also I think it should be pointed out there were two distinct SEMO teams out there on Saturday. When they finally benched that first QB and brought in the mobile guy, their offense completely changed. He was able to keep plays alive by rolling pockets or getting away from what pressure we did get on him. Also didn't help that Underwood, Lyon and Walker were all missing. He also was much more quick on his decision making and trusting what he saw which led to some very nice throws for them including that march down the field at the end of the game.
Missouri State has been very stout in recent years but they struggled with a non-D1 Chadron State. They look very similar to us a couple years back when we started a lot of underclassmen on both sides of the ball. Looking at their depth chart, they've got a lot of sophomores playing. Also, their stud LB/Ss are gone now -- Beisel and Schaffitzel both gave us fits.
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bent20
The Odum Level
I don't think we're a playoff team and it's not because I think we're bad. It's just a tall road to climb. Seven wins might not even be enough to get us in the playoffs this year, but to do it we have to go 5-3 in conference and that's not going to be easy at all.
Let's say we beat Missouri State and Southern Illinois (not necessarily easy on the road. Their offense looks tough) and lose to the Dakota schools. We then have to win three of the following - Illinois State (road), UNI (road), WIU (home), Youngstown State (home). It's doable, but SEMO wasn't as good as some of the teams will be.
Further perspective (our conference records):
2014-2015: 4-4
2012-2013: 5-3 (that year we lost our final two games)
2011-2012: 4-4
2010-2011: 4-4
And all of that said, I'm good with the one game at a time approach. I do expect us to get better.
Let's say we beat Missouri State and Southern Illinois (not necessarily easy on the road. Their offense looks tough) and lose to the Dakota schools. We then have to win three of the following - Illinois State (road), UNI (road), WIU (home), Youngstown State (home). It's doable, but SEMO wasn't as good as some of the teams will be.
Further perspective (our conference records):
2014-2015: 4-4
2012-2013: 5-3 (that year we lost our final two games)
2011-2012: 4-4
2010-2011: 4-4
And all of that said, I'm good with the one game at a time approach. I do expect us to get better.
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bent20
The Odum Level
And not to side track us, but I liked the white helmets with the blue logo (like the one above) better than what we've had the past two seasons.
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Moved up one spot in the Stats poll to #22 and up two spots to #23 in the FCS Coaches Poll.
TwoMinuteDrill
The Sycamore Level
I am guilty of trying to project out like this too. The part I find challenging, take for example Western IL. They took care of EIU very easily, then got beat pretty bad by Illinois (who in turn laid an egg against North Carolina). Then WIU last week takes Coastal Carolina to brink. So who is WIU? In all honesty same could be said about ISUR?
I do think however, as we sit today and this too can change. Northern Iowa and SDSU appear to be for real. All the others, including NDSU I think are yet to be determined.
niklz62
The JSW Level
Here's my take on WIU. I think they may be on their way up but I'm not sure this is the year. I think, much like us they have a solid defense and that can keep them in games. I think they when things started south in the Illinois game that took the fire out of them. I also think that EIU is/was massively overrated and they could end up winning 4 games this year.
niklz62
The JSW Level
Here's the number of days between games on an off week:
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niklz62
The JSW Level
Ok, a week with a game is finally here. Discuss away.
I call this a must win unless we plan to upset a couple teams we will be big underdogs to.
I call this a must win unless we plan to upset a couple teams we will be big underdogs to.
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8 in the box and make them throw. Will be interesting to see if they stay with Lambert at QB as I believe he started because their redshirt freshman Ruddick hurt his ankle in the previous game. Whatever QB plays, they're obviously in rebuilding mode and nowhere near the level they'd been out for the last several years.
If we're full strength on defense (minus the guys lost for the season), we should be able to control the game pretty easily IMO. I'll put us down for a 27-14 win with the possibility of putting more points up on the board depending on how their defensive line plays as they still have a couple talented holdovers there.
Updated Stats:
Indiana State: http://stats.ncaa.org/team/index/12240?org_id=305.0
Missouri State: http://stats.ncaa.org/team/index/12240?org_id=669.0
Not sure we'll put up that many points. We still have a very suspect passing game. If we continue to under throw the ball like we have been, it'll be pick city. I hope to see something different there. But yes, we should win this game.
While I'm not sold on Adam, I think we saw the staff making Tonyan/Brown a priority in the SEMO game. They both have an awfully big catch radius which can mitigate some of his accuracy issues. Against teams with weaker secondaries, I think we'll be able to manage and I put Missouri State in that category. *
EDIT * = with serviceable offensive line play. I hope they come into this game with something to prove.
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niklz62
The JSW Level
Does Gary Owens have to sit for being ejected?