Oral Roberts and St. Louis in the MVC?

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Not as much of fan of ORU joining but if SLU returns, we would need a 12th member (and a non-football school may be the best addition.)

Anyone know the ??? behind the SLU President resisting a return to the MVC?
Does he view the MVC 'beneath' SLU academically?
 
Makes sense. Just depends on if the league would allow them to join. ORU and STL both have pretty decent basketball traditions right?
 
KAPat1865 said:
Makes sense. Just depends on if the league would allow them to join. ORU and STL both have pretty decent basketball traditions right?
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define tradition.

SLU has had 'success' but ORU is still the 2nd best MBB program in Tulsa.
 
Well ORU has had some recent success by making the NCAA tourney a few times.

I think they along with STL would be a decent addition.
 
KAPat1865 said:
Well ORU has had some recent success by making the NCAA tourney a few times.

I think they along with STL would be a decent addition.
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SLU: 1,276-1,103 (.536) since 1916; 1 NIT title (1948), 3 NIT R/U; 18 NIT appearances, 6 NCAAs. Most of their success came during the 1950s-60s.
1 HoF ('Easy Ed' Macauley, other NBAers such as Bob Ferry (Danny's dad), Anthony Bonner, Larry Hughes,

ORU: 657-453 (.588) since 1970; 5 NCAAs and 7 NITs. Most of their success (NCAA and Summit titles) has come under Scott Sutton.

Both would be a good additions; SLU just starts with ~40 years of MVC history.
 

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It's easy to make good arguments for both joining the Valley. Somehow I have an problem with SLU having a "home town" advantage in the conference tournament, but at the same time, they should add attendance that would result in additional revenue. I say let them in for now, and then hope for the MAC football schools to face reality and we go there.
 
I think ORU and SLU would be great additions and might cause some to call for the tourney to be moved to KC. Found this on Shockernet:

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If we were to add ORU and St. Louis, I'd rather kick out two current members than have a 12 team conference. But I don't see any conference changes happening any time soon, Elgin is too boring to do anything.
We could just axe the Indiana schools and add ORU and SLU I guess.


the MVC cutting off it's greatest ever in Odum? oh hellz no! he is the greatest PG in MVC history and he got screwed on POY, FOY, and soon to be screwed in the NBA draft even though he isn't entering it.

get real fool! Very Happy
 
and why should this response surprise us? very typical. The eastern schools want the western schools out, the western schools want to boot the eastern schools, it'll never end.....

I am glad WSU won the NIT, but I suspect many of their fans are still quite jealous that ISU whooped them in the MVC tourney and got the NCAA bid this year.

I would be fine with ORU and SLU in the MVC, easy travel, 2 more baseball schools also.

and I am SURE the ORU fans would celebrate beyond their wildest dreams if they ever got out of that crappy S(c)ummit league they're in now.
 
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define tradition.

SLU has had 'success' but ORU is still the 2nd best MBB program in Tulsa.
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My understanding is that Fr. Biondi (SLU President) believes that SLU should be affiliated with other Jesuit and Catholic schools in conference. There are several of those institutions in the A-10.
 
xfactor9600 said:
My understanding is that Fr. Biondi (SLU President) believes that SLU should be affiliated with other Jesuit and Catholic schools in conference. There are several of those institutions in the A-10.
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Makes sense; in the MVC it would just be SLU and Creighton; Evansville is 'Methodist' but not TOO Methodist.

I still think you'll see the creation / emergence of a Midwest Catholic / non football conference: Dayton, Creighton, Xavier, Detroit, Loyola, Marquette, Duquesne, North Crook...

Both the Big Least and the Atlantic 10 (nope, 12, or is it 16) are too large
 
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4Q_iu said:
Makes sense; in the MVC it would just be SLU and Creighton; Evansville is 'Methodist' but not TOO Methodist.

I still think you'll see the creation / emergence of a Midwest Catholic / non football conference: Dayton, Creighton, Xavier, Detroit, Loyola, Marquette, Duquesne, North Crook...

Both the Big Least and the Atlantic 10 (nope, 12, or is it 16) are too large
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I don't see that league getting a tv package (which in this day and age means it won't happen).
 
For what it's worth, if the MVC is looking to expand, why not approach Butler? They need to get out of that league. St. Louis would be fine, but I agree that we do not want a home school hosting the tournament. I am not a fan of ORU joining, though.
 
i am all for st louis and oru joining. who would be better? butler. depaul. but how realistic is for those schools to come aboard. especially in the next 10 years? i think if you could get oru and st louis to come to the mvc in 3-4 years that would be perfect.
 

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Fiji Bill 72 said:
For what it's worth, if the MVC is looking to expand, why not approach Butler? They need to get out of that league. St. Louis would be fine, but I agree that we do not want a home school hosting the tournament. I am not a fan of ORU joining, though.
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I can't see Bulter leaving the Horizon; they've 'got it made...'

DePaul? (as someone mentioned...) Also can't see that happening; they're not competitive in the Big East AND they probably spend $$$ on travel but I don't see them leaving the Big Least to come to the Valley.

Valley SHOULDN'T go beyond 12 schools.
 
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