OUT OF BOUNDS

[sycamorebacker]

Just sitting here having a conversation with myself. In basketball, if any of the ball is above any of the line when it hits the floor, it is out-of-bounds, right? I assume football and soccer are the same. It's interesting that baseball/softball is the opposite. And a basketball has to hit the floor, but a baseball can be in the air.

Also, isn't it legal for a defensive player in basketball to play defense out-of-bounds? I guess it is not because they never do when defending on the baseline.

 

[DyedBlue]

On an inbounds play, the defensive player is NOT allowed to reach across the out of bounds line. If he/she breaks the plane w/o touching the ball, the official is to issue a warning on the first violation and a T on subsequent violations for 'delay of the game'. If the defensive player reaches through and contacts the ball in the inbounders hands or before it breaks the plane, it is a technical foul on the defense.

If the ball is live and the offensive player w/o the ball leaves the court on a cut, I believe it is legal for the defender to leave the court and follow him/her.

 

[sycamorebacker]

On an inbounds play, the defensive player is NOT allowed to reach across the out of bounds line. If he/she breaks the plane w/o touching the ball, the official is to issue a warning on the first violation and a T on subsequent violations for 'delay of the game'. If the defensive player reaches through and contacts the ball in the inbounders hands or before it breaks the plane, it is a technical foul on the defense.

If the ball is live and the offensive player w/o the ball leaves the court on a cut, I believe it is legal for the defender to leave the court and follow him/her.

Do you know if the defense is allowed to position themselves out-of-bound to cut off a baseline drive?

 

[DyedBlue]

Good question, but I don't know. Logic tells me that the defender can be OB on a live ball, but if he/she touches the ball, the ball is dead and the offense retains the ball. FAct is, we see that all of the time when one player is called for being OB and touching the ball still in play.

 

[isubird33]

Just sitting here having a conversation with myself. In basketball, if any of the ball is above any of the line when it hits the floor, it is out-of-bounds, right? I assume football and soccer are the same. It's interesting that baseball/softball is the opposite. And a basketball has to hit the floor, but a baseball can be in the air.

Also, isn't it legal for a defensive player in basketball to play defense out-of-bounds? I guess it is not because they never do when defending on the baseline.

Just a note, soccer is the same as baseball. Ball isn't out/a goal/whatever until it completely crosses the line.

 

[BrokerZ]

Do you know if the defense is allowed to position themselves out-of-bound to cut off a baseline drive?

A defender has full access to the court, including out of bounds, but there would be zero reason for a defender to use it. The out of bounds line acts as its own defender, really, so no need for a defender to go there.

This is obviously excluding inbounds plays after dead balls or after made baskets.

 

[sycamorebacker]

A defender has full access to the court, including out of bounds, but there would be zero reason for a defender to use it. The out of bounds line acts as its own defender, really, so no need for a defender to go there.

This is obviously excluding inbounds plays after dead balls or after made baskets.

Not zero reason. If you straddle the line it puts the player with the ball in the center of your body. You would provide more interference if he is jumping out of bounds to pass.

 

[BrokerZ]

Not zero reason. If you straddle the line it puts the player with the ball in the center of your body. You would provide more interference if he is jumping out of bounds to pass.

Okay, so zero good reasons to do it.

If a defender wants to jump out of bounds to make a pass, I'll gladly let him versus giving up more inbounds real estate.

 

[sycamorebacker]

Okay, so zero good reasons to do it.

If a defender wants to jump out of bounds to make a pass, I'll gladly let him versus giving up more inbounds real estate.

Odum and Larry both did that. I don't like it, but sometimes it was effective. If the defender is out-of-bounds, those passes are more difficult. I think the surprise effect would be good the first time they jump out and the defender is there.

So you think you can defend a player better if you give them more room and are farther away?

 

[BrokerZ]

Odum and Larry both did that. I don't like it, but sometimes it was effective. If the defender is out-of-bounds, those passes are more difficult. I think the surprise effect would be good the first time they jump out and the defender is there.

So you think you can defend a player better if you give them more room and are farther away?

Backer, I’m not sure where we are going with this conversation. I’m not trying to be difficult so please don’t take my responses the wrong way.

If the defender is out of bounds why would the player make the pass? He’d just go to the basket instead. The player may jump out of bounds to make the pass, but that’s because they’re completely out of other options. As a defender, you give them that if they want to gamble that way. It’s really incumbent on the other four defenders to make that pass difficult. As the on-ball defender, you’ve done your job if you’re forcing the ball-handler to jump out of bounds.

 

[Westbadenboy]

This is easily the most confusing discussion I've seen on here
Example .....defenders do not make passes (they don't have the ball ....dahhhh)

 

[sycamorebacker]

Well, we've played with this long enough. I would just say that if I were a coach I would tell my players to not allow the line to limit me from defending the play. I could be wrong but I think players instinctively stay in bounds. I saw a player tonight dribble from one side to the other right on the line. If the defensive player had established himself straddling the line, he would have had nowhere to go.