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Recall When ISU had a Similar "Tradition?"
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blueblazer
The Starter Level
Yes, the good old days
shootingsycamore
The Sycamore Level
I too remember "Tradition" I once asked a fraternity brother what happended to certain traditions, he said if you lose 20% of the traditions annually over time they're replaced with new ones. Not always ones that are to be admired.
Therein lies the problem... You should've asked the Sycamore Indian Tribe...
BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Sometimes "traditions" are the cumulative byproduct of multiple people(s) that live in a specified geographic area...maybe you should re-examine the HISTORY of the Wabash Valley. Ya, there was no "Chief Quabache," but there were plenty of Native American tribes in the Wabash Valley (Wea, Kickapoo, Miami, et al), and wasn't the term "Wabash" aligned w/ historic French and Native American use of the word to identify the RIVER that Terre Haute was ultimately founded on?
http://wabashriver.us/history/index.htm
Now, maybe you can fill us in on the comparative "heritage" of Sycamore Sam?
While you're at it, read the following 500+ page book written by my 3 X great grandfather, D.W. Risher, who was a Methodist Hoosier "Circuit Rider" during the 2nd Great Awakening. Take a guess on how many "Indians" D.W. communicated with during his travel on horseback spreading the Gospel between TH-Lafayette and Danville (IN)? He's buried in NTH, behind the Old Union Church:
The Indian and White Man (1880):
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433081694691;view=1up;seq=13
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shootingsycamore
The Sycamore Level
Nothing to do with the Sycamores or Indians.
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You're referring to the State tradition of Chief Oaubache? Or FSU's Chief Osceola?
shootingsycamore
The Sycamore Level
Neither one
bent20
The Odum Level
A tradition of mascots falling off horses.
I remember Chief Ouabache dancing... I don't remember any horses!
Course, most Eastern Woodland Indians (aka the Indians of Indiana) didn't use the horse like the Plains Indians...
It's a bit ironic to see "Chief Osceola" (Seminole) riding an Appaloosa (Renegade)... Appaloosa's were developed by the Nez Pierce nation of today's Idaho, Washington...
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BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Just goes to show that "traditions" aren't always filled w/ historical FACT.
I think that "ShootingSycamore" was referencing the "political correctness" associated w/ the TERMINATION of the ISU tradition of Chief Quabache & the Sparkette "Indian Princesses." Back in the early 90's, this was the buzz of campus activists and a predecessor to the current "diversity" platforms.
As far as the "Chief" ever riding a horse, perhaps Bally47 can lend insight. He was the "Chief" in '70 and long associated with this dimension of ISU "tradition."
Native Americans & Horse Culture
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1938.40.1.02a00110/pdf
For those that doubt the role of the Native American in Wabash Valley "tradition," read these articles about 1- Fort Harrison and 2-Tecumseh:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Harrison
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dying-tecumseh-97830806/
How soon we forget such a legacy...and NOW Sycamore Sam? What a "rallying point" for bravery and poise amidst conflict.
I think that "ShootingSycamore" was referencing the "political correctness" associated w/ the TERMINATION of the ISU tradition of Chief Quabache & the Sparkette "Indian Princesses." Back in the early 90's, this was the buzz of campus activists and a predecessor to the current "diversity" platforms.
As far as the "Chief" ever riding a horse, perhaps Bally47 can lend insight. He was the "Chief" in '70 and long associated with this dimension of ISU "tradition."
Native Americans & Horse Culture
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1938.40.1.02a00110/pdf
For those that doubt the role of the Native American in Wabash Valley "tradition," read these articles about 1- Fort Harrison and 2-Tecumseh:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Harrison
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-dying-tecumseh-97830806/
How soon we forget such a legacy...and NOW Sycamore Sam? What a "rallying point" for bravery and poise amidst conflict.
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bent20
The Odum Level
I was referencing the original article that Bankshot posted, which was about the FSU horse taking a spill.
I know -- just pointing out that our 'Chief' never rode a horse when performing... and that it's curious that FSU uses a horse widely associated with the Nez Pierce... I've not read of any association with the Seminole Nation of Florida with the Appaloosa.
I find it curious that we (ISU) adopt a (incorrect*) Indiana mascot in 1969... a time when other schools were dropping their Indian mascots...
I say incorrect as they 1969 ISU Football Media guide states the inspiration for Chief Oubachi is the Miami, Wea and Kickapoo tribes in the Wabash valley... Yet the physical embodiment of Chief Oubachi was (essentially) a Lakota, Northern Cheyenne, Crow, Blackfoot war chief
Chief Oubachi SHOULD have looked like Pontiac or Tecumseh - NOT Sitting Bull, Red Cloud or Roman Nose
BankShot
The Kleuh Level
Wasn't PONTIAC Chief of the Ottawa Tribe? Wabash Valley ties?
shootingsycamore
The Sycamore Level
Bill Lansaw was "The Chief", Bally 47 was the founder of the men's Cheer Squad. The loss of tradition affected not only the University but campus affiiated organizations
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