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Southgrad07

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Slow time on the board so thought I'd look ahead to next season. It looks like barring some unforeseen event that our roster is set for the 16-17 season. We are undoubtedly going to be picked in the lower half of the league again next season and rightfully so. However, I do believe that this groups ceiling is higher than last years squad. I'll try to breakdown with my own worthless opinion what I think our players should be able to bring and what they have to bring in order for us to reach our potential next year. Feel free to disagree and comment to get some conversation going.



Brenton Scott
- It's fitting I start here because any hope of us cracking the top half of the league requires that this guy take the next step in his game on and off the floor. He has proven to be an all league scorer, dangerous from anywhere on the floor..What he has to do is broaden his effect on the game by continuing to make strides on the defensive end and learning how create looks for others. Whether that be drive and dish or a successful decoy that lends to help defense. As far as off the floor he seems like a guy that puts in a ton of work on his game and that is contagious, but he also has to become a leader on this team and that might take some time.


Everett Clemons- Can't find a flaw in his game except for painfully obvious fact that he can't shoot the ball, and that is a big deal folks. He is a nature leader that is as tough minded as they come, but unless he can figure out a way to knock down 12-15 FT jumpers consistently (and foul shots) his ceiling is limited. At the very least he is a solid role player. If he had a solid mid range J/driving ability he could be much more than that.


Emondre Rickman- He is the third player I mention because if we want to reach our true ceiling this is the guy that has to emerge as our starting center. I think he had a fairly successful FR campaign given the surprising Bell injury and his lack of overall bball experience. He was thrust into a lot of playing time and showed flashes of "wow" plays. Obviously he has to become more polished on the offensive end, but as far as next yr his true impact could be on the boards and defensively. With his frame and agility he should be able to change a lot of shots and control the glass. I like the way this kid runs the floor and has an aggressive attitude while he's out there. If he puts in the work he could be the best big guy we've had in a longggg time in a yr or so.


Niels Bunschoten- Speaking of flashes, the flying dutchman had some of those during his junior season. He took over some of our games in stretches and was more athletic than I anticipated (still nowhere near a 3 btw)... The trick for him is to become more consistent and much of that hinges on him staying away from the "silly" fouls. Many times our team would play solid defense for 20 seconds(including him) only to see Niels commit a needless foul. The biggest thing I'm encouraged by is he had most of his quality games toward the end of the year and that is when you usually see the game slow down for JC transfers. If he can be a more consistent pick and pop 4 I could see him being a solid starter for us next season.


Donovan Franklin- This is a guy I haven't seen yet...but I'm giving him the inside track on the starting SF spot. He has a reputation for being able to fill it up in HS and in his only JC season, something our starting lineup desperately needs.. He has good size and seems to be able to score in multiple ways, traits that should help with the transition to D1 ball. I will say that if he wants to claim a starting spot he will have to live up to Lansing's standards on defense as well.


Demonte Ojinnaka- Primary competition for Franklin and like Franklin I have not seen him in person. From all reports and the few videos he is being brought in here to do 2 things well....Shoot the 3 ball and defend bigger wings. One of those things (3pt shooting) I feel more confident in than the other (defending). His stats when healthy or with a decent team seem to prove he can shoot the ball.. If he is going to start than like Franklin he is going to have to prove he can keep opposing wings from going off. Here's to hoping both of these guys prove themselves worthy of the starting nod.


Bronson Kessigner- Physically I'm not worried about him. The injury he sustained has had plenty of time to heal and Paul George is living proof that you can come back and be what you once were, not to mention Bronson is 5 or so years younger and thus more likely to rebound. The obstacle most likely will be mentally for the young man .He was labeled as an aggressive/high motor player coming out of HS and he has to get back to being comfortable sticking his nose in there and putting his body on the line...I am not going to even begin to comment on how easy or hard that is because I can't imagine having that type of injury...All this being said he looked great towards the end of the season in practice/warmups and Lansing has sang his praises...If he clears that mental hurdle maybe he can become the special player some thought he could be. X factor for the upcoming season.


Brandon Murphy
- Was almost ready to give up on him after his FR season....However, I thought he made significant strides last season that gives me hope. His body was improved to go along with his defensive awareness (both still have a ways to go). There were growing pains and I'm not sure how high is ceiling is, but I feel like if he comes back with an improved post game (finish those 3ft and in shots!!!) he can be an offensive threat for us down low.


Matt Van Sycoc- What a disappointment he was this past season. Talked up by the coaches, media, and fellow teammates only to lay a dud for the most part. He is still a rotational player at this level, but we recruited him to be an impact player for us. You would have to believe he will shoot the ball better next season,right???? If he does that and displays better defensive awareness he might earn his starting spot back.


Jordan Barnes- Most heralded PG we've gotten out of HS in some time. I fully expect him to contribute big minutes off the bench and give us another true PG to go along with outside shooting. Next year he will struggle some physically due to his height and lack of weight, i'll live with that though. Another one of our X factors for the upcoming season.


Laquarious Paige- Dude has to develop his offensive game. Has to be able to put pressure on defenses with his penetration or his shooting ability. Defensively I think he's got it figured out and has qualities you want in a strong defensive guard. If he ever wants to be more than a deep bench player he has to get a driving or perimeter game to go along with his decent passing skills.


Trey Knight- The only judgment ill pass on him is he was redshirted this season over Prusator and Paige at the 2....That tells me he was probably behind them on the depth chart and tempers my expectations for him. I've heard he is a good athlete and has a solid frame for a 2/3. I'm skeptical due to the redshirt a season ago though....Kind of seems like either him or Paige fits in long term plan and this upcoming year will tell us a lot about who will get minutes.


TJ Bell- Trying to come back from IMO the hardest injury to rebound from. If he can just be the same guy he was at the end of his Soph. season I would be thrilled. If he can't replicate that I would as least like to see him get 5-10 minutes to pound on opposing 5's and use his experience to his advantage....If he not ready to play by the non conf. I will severly question why we did not give him a medical hardship scholarship to finish his academic career and use the spot for a big who can or will help us in the future. I'm rooting hard for the guy to bounce back strong..He's had a tough go of it here and deserves a nice SR season.

Ethan Claycomb and Matt Deady- Both will probably redshirt and should be living in the weight room. Like what both bring to the table as walk-ons.

Day one starters

Clemons
Scott
Franklin
Bunschoten
Murphy

End of year starters


Clemons
Scott
Franklin
Bunschoten
Rickman
 

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I just had to point out that EC had one of the highest FG% on our team; and the highest of the perimeter players.

Starters: Clemons
Scott
Franklin
Bell
Murphy
 
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I just had to point out that EC had one of the highest FG% on our team; and the highest of the perimeter players.

Starters: Clemons
Scott
Franklin
Bell
Murphy
Glad to have some discussion..First off Clemons knew his strengths and weaknesses...Therefore, the %'s from 2 weren't bad. Doesn't mean he was a threat teams had to account for. If you believe he was anywhere near as effective as Scott on offense then idk what to say.

Secondly, if Bell and Murphy are both starting we are in a world of hurt...This is not whatever alternate universe you are living in... They both can ONLY play the center position in today's college bball. Neither can shoot outside of 5 ft and can't guard quickness outside of the paint. That is not knocking either player, just not what they bring to the table
 
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. If you believe he was anywhere near as effective as Scott on offense then idk what to say.

I don't know what to say either, except, who are you talking to?


I'm not sure about Bell, of course. This is all speculation. I think experience usually trumps everything else. I do agree with you that Murphy starts and I agree that NB has the potential to be the 4. I suppose it's also possible that Kessinger is the 4.
The 5 ft thing is a concern, but if we get balanced scoring, our bigs won't need to shoot too many jump shots. Defense, shot-blocking and rebounding would be nice.
 
Thanks for the breakdown, not that I disagree regarding Kessinger's ability to recover, but keep in mind that George also is a world class athlete, not to mention a millionaire with all sorts of time to commit to his recovery, and who can afford personal therapists, and who is playing for a professional organization with highly paid trainers. All of that makes recovering from a similar injury easier.
 
Thanks for the breakdown, not that I disagree regarding Kessinger's ability to recover, but keep in mind that George also is a world class athlete, not to mention a millionaire with all sorts of time to commit to his recovery, and who can afford personal therapists, and who is playing for a professional organization with highly paid trainers. All of that makes recovering from a similar injury easier.

Good point..I guess Kevin ware would be a better comparison for him then. He also went on to come back and play again in college. I was just saying if you ask me are you more worried about him physically or mentally it would definitely be the latter of the two.
 

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It sounded like he was doing ok in practice. You may be overstating this.

Backer what is he "overstating", coming back from that kind of an injury is a very real thing. So I'm not sure what is to be overstated at this point? You seem so put out by some of these side discussions taking place... Maybe my sense of forum speak has diminished greatly over the last several weeks and you are acting normal. lol

FWIW I think he comes back from the injury and contributes this year. I have heard some good things about his recovery, I think he probably gives us a lift at times off the bench but not expecting anything huge from him.
 
I didn't see him practice last year, so I don't have a clue. I just don't see him being tentative after practicing all this time. He'll be playing/practicing for the next 6 months.
 
So I'm not sure what is to be overstated at this point? You seem so put out by some of these side discussions taking place...

I consider it my role to speak wisdom and keep others on the right track. I don't think I've said anything that can be argued.

Don't get cocky, but I thought you did a good job of that last year when things got too low or too high.
 
Observation on the continuing comments over the years that we don't need ISU big men to score -- just rebound and play defense -- we have good outside shooter who will carry the scoring load ...................have you watched us play over the past several years ? ? ? Replay that fantasy in your minds.
Good defense and rebounding would be nice, but please please please be able to stuff the ball in the basket also -- maybe even hit a nice 6' -- 7' shot 3- 5 times a game. World of difference for us if they could.
And maybe our offense should even try to feed the ball inside at several points throughout the game -- how many times did we see the ball go inside the first couple of times down the floor and then never, ever again ?
Every year in the summer and fall I read about how we'll be a good shooting team this year and sure enough we are ..................in about 5 -- 6 games during the season. The rest of the time we struggle like crazy to score. How about a true big guy who can score inside ?
 

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Observation on the continuing comments over the years that we don't need ISU big men to score -- just rebound and play defense -- we have good outside shooter who will carry the scoring load ...................have you watched us play over the past several years ? ? ? Replay that fantasy in your minds.
Good defense and rebounding would be nice, but please please please be able to stuff the ball in the basket also -- maybe even hit a nice 6' -- 7' shot 3- 5 times a game. World of difference for us if they could.
And maybe our offense should even try to feed the ball inside at several points throughout the game -- how many times did we see the ball go inside the first couple of times down the floor and then never, ever again ?
Every year in the summer and fall I read about how we'll be a good shooting team this year and sure enough we are ..................in about 5 -- 6 games during the season. The rest of the time we struggle like crazy to score. How about a true big guy who can score inside ?

Correct. And I don't think Murphy has range but I think he can score if we can get the ball in to him. I'm really not too worried about our 4-5 spots this year. I think the big question, again, will be the 3. The key is almost always putting the ball in the basket.
 
A few comments on a couple of the things that were mentioned in the original post.

I don't think you should read too much into Trey Knight and the decision to redshirt him. I think you are probably correct that he was behind Paige and Prusator on the depth chart, in all fairness most true freshman come on to campus behind people on the depth chart. I don't think that had anything to do with him being redshirted. I think it had everything to do with how raw he was and the fact that athletically he does have a higher ceiling than both Paige and Prusator. I've seen Knight practice and he is gifted athletically - how that will translate I'm not too sure but I wouldn't go into this season with a negative perception of his game because he was redshirted. Some of Lansing's best players started as redshirts so you have that side of things also. We were loaded up at the guard position and it just made sense to redshirt him.

More of a general observation here but I wouldn't count on much from TJ Bell at this point. I've heard his rehab from injury has been uninspiring to say the least. His toughness and commitment have always been brought into question. I don't think the staff anticipates that will get a whole lot out of him next year. Not to say he couldn't surprise because I do think he is a skilled big man and has a good frame. My guess is he never gets all the way back from this injury, mostly because of lack of desire. If he does make it back he will probably come in overweight and a step or two slower than in the past. Shame because I think he could have been pretty good for us.

Lastly what we need more than anything are people to make D1 shots. Guys have to make shots this year. It's not a matter of if teams are going to key on shutting down Scott, teams are going to throw everything at him to stop him and make someone else beat us. Thus Scott has to be unselfish (not his best trait) and get other guys open shots because they are going to be open and those guys have to knock shots down. If they can do this then Scott will get his buckets - if they can't do this then it is going to be a long season for this team. You can talk about defense and rebounding all you want but I am not convinced this team is going to be able to get baskets outside of Scott. We have a bunch of inconsistant scorers mixed with unproven D1 scorers that you are asking to step up and score. Last year when Scott couldn't get a bucket, Brown could go and get a bucket when he wanted. They don't have another guy in this lineup that has proven he can go get his own shot if needed.
 
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I track fairly well with the opening post. Thanks for getting the conversation going, Southgrad. Here are a couple of additional thoughts:

Clemons - He has the ability to score, but there's a killer instinct that seems to be missing from his personality. Last year he was our best player on the floor for many stretches at a time, but those always seemed to come when we were getting blown out. I need a homerun hitter that knocks it out of the park when down by a run in the 8th...not a guy that hits a solo-shot in the 9th down 7 runs. Whatever it takes to get him pissed off and inspired from the opening tip, he needs to find it.

Barnes - It's hard to put so many expectations on an incoming true-Freshman, but I can't help it. I just think he's going to be really good, and I'm going to have a hard time being patient. That's going to be unfair to him, but if we are going to finish in the top-3/4 this coming season, Barnes is probably our starting point guard by mid-January. Unless, of course, Clemons figures out the things I outlined above.

3/4 - I have no idea what to expect from our SF/PF players. We have a lot of them, and they all have apparent weaknesses. They are also a bunch of tweeners that don't seem to fit either position. Franklin at the 3 and Niels at the 4 seems to make sense to start the season, but who really knows what we're getting from Kessinger, MVS, etc.? These are the biggest question marks going into the season. If the rotation shakes out where we have 3 guys that can fill these two spots effectively and produce, we're going to be pretty good. If not, the scoring will continue to fall all on Scott and we'll be one dimensional...AGAIN.

Rickman/Murphy/Bell - I don't see us getting much from this group than we've seen in the past few years. We'll feed the post early in games and then they won't touch the ball again outside of offensive rebounds. Rickman has a ton of potential, so we'll see if he can take his game to the next level. Murphy is a solid rotational player, and I have zero expectations for Bell until I see him in a uniform again and playing post-injury.

With all that being said, I think the MVC will be down a little as a conference in 2016 so the field is wide open. If some of these question marks turn positive, we could have a solid and competitive squad. Hopefully. Maybe. I think.
 
I track fairly well with the opening post. Thanks for getting the conversation going, Southgrad. Here are a couple of additional thoughts:

Clemons - He has the ability to score, but there's a killer instinct that seems to be missing from his personality. Last year he was our best player on the floor for many stretches at a time, but those always seemed to come when we were getting blown out. I need a homerun hitter that knocks it out of the park when down by a run in the 8th...not a guy that hits a solo-shot in the 9th down 7 runs. Whatever it takes to get him pissed off and inspired from the opening tip, he needs to find it.

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I disagree on Clemons. I think he has all of the "killer" instinct he needs. I think he is an average shooter within 15 feet AND HE KNOWS IT. His rebounding gives some indication about his effort and determination.
 

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I disagree on Clemons. I think he has all of the "killer" instinct he needs. I think he is an average shooter within 15 feet AND HE KNOWS IT. His rebounding gives some indication about his effort and determination.

I'm talking about on the offensive end, and I'm referring to attacking the basket. He's strong enough that he can get to the rim and draw contact, but he rarely looks to do so. It's like he plays more freely offensively when we're down big and the pressure is off. Just an observation on my part.

I'm certainly not questioning how hard he plays. The guys' motor is always going. You don't rebound the way he does without having determination. He just doesn't look to score often enough due to probably a lack of confidence with that part of his game.
 
I'm talking about on the offensive end, and I'm referring to attacking the basket. He's strong enough that he can get to the rim and draw contact, but he rarely looks to do so. It's like he plays more freely offensively when we're down big and the pressure is off. Just an observation on my part.

I'm certainly not questioning how hard he plays. The guys' motor is always going. You don't rebound the way he does without having determination. He just doesn't look to score often enough due to probably a lack of confidence with that part of his game.

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I expect him to do more things this year now that he has a year of experience.
 
Murphy's role will tell a lot about this team. It has been mentioned that he will get off to a good start and then not see the ball again. If he improves this summer as he did last summer he will be a vital part of this team. If not, well . . . IF we can get the ball to him down low he will produce. If we can't get to ball to him his role will be D and rebounding, and we can't afford that. If we don't get his his looks the others on the floor need several minutes of bench time to get theit stuff together.
 
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