I can’t currently wrap my head around Crawford, Martin, and Avila being in the same class. Would be true as long as Crawford maintains redshirt. 
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So you asked Jason if he's seen Holmes practice... We've seen Crawford play (so I don't need to see him practice) what have you seen from Crawford to expect anything? I'm not saying he might not develop into a nice player - but what I've seen thus far gives me very little expectation that he will be solid. Kent on the other hand is very solid - but he's not going to be "the man" I don't think??
So who becomes the man?? Because you've still typically got to have a guy or two that can go get you a bucket when you need one - teams in recent memory that haven't had that guy or that we've asked that guy to do too much haven't been good teams. Avlia is that guy for you? Maybe... Two years from now I can defiantly see that being a possibility I like what I've seen from him thus far.
Don't need to. He's a walk-on that had no other D1 offers. Could he and the staff develop him into something? Definitely. However, the odds of that are not favorable. Rooting for it but have very low expectations. All my "GM" thoughts are rooted in logic and reason.
Looking at the wing bucket, just look at the odds he has to overcome there alone to get on the floor. That also makes it easy to see why the staff probably can't afford to give him a scholarship unless we have attrition.
Yes, I agree with all of that. I watched him again and he does not seem to be very athletic. But I don't consider Bledson, Cooper, Hobbs, or Gibson to be athletic.
Like you said, it may just be a matter of what we have and need. I'm curious as to why they would redshirt him.
The bottom line is do we need a non-athletic wing that can handle, pass, shoot and rebound.
Like you said, it may just be a matter of what we have and need. I'm curious as to why they would redshirt him.
The bottom line is do we need a non-athletic wing that can handle, pass, shoot and rebound.
After the last 2 games, I NOW think we should do some spring cleaning. The SO and JR are in their 3rd and 4th years of experience. If they can't get into the rotation, they need to be replaced. IF we can recruit over them.
Does anybody else think having so many D2 players puts us at a disadvantage in size and quickness?
Does anybody else think having so many D2 players puts us at a disadvantage in size and quickness?
I’m sure there are plenty of d2 players who would be d1 if they were taller, longer, faster, etc. So I think you are on to something.
but in all honesty, is this not a knee jerk reaction to one loss? Gut the underclass men because the (mostly) upper class men lost a game? I don’t think I’d entertain idea at all without a ton more context.
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I've always been a BIG proponent of experience and slow to give up on players. But they all have an extra year of experience now and I'm wondering if a SO or JR can't go out and give you 10 or 12 pts even occasionally, maybe he's not going to develop.
It is imperative we get another experienced shooting in for next year.
IMO, we need a high caliber point guard that will be here for at least two years.
You mean Larry and Martin? I'm not worried about PG. Like Jason said, we could always use an experienced G that can shoot. He would have to be better than Miller/Shetlar/Holmes.
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I understand wanting experience, but I think we should think of next year as a building year for '25.
If Shetlar is truly #1 in Kansas, and is a great shooter at 6'6" and from what I have seen of Daughtry and Manyawu, I think we could be very good in '25. We could also use an experienced backup center.
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Martin isn’t experienced or proven - it would be best for you to take a wait and see approach with him given what I have seen thus far.
Larry is nothing more than a solid backup PG that has made a pretty big step forward this year. Which is saying something because anyone touting him prior to this year wasn’t expecting him to take a big step forward. They were simply content with below average guard play.
So you really aren’t all that set up at the PG position.
This I tend to agree with - it will definitely be a building year in my opinion.
FanSinceArenaDays
The Varsity Level
Hate to even mention it but Avila is thriving here & a big part moving forward but he is going to have people in his ear in this "legal tampering" recruiting climate. We need to keep him content in Terre Haute.
Yes, I understand that. But Coach doesn't always use a pure PG. I am concerned about our C position with only Avila and with Manyawu as backup.
I think we could go with what we have on the perimeter if we could get a good C. We are stocked with players right now and short of cleaning house, I think
our next "good" team will be in 2 years.
With normal progression, I'm looking for Larry to start finishing some drives and rack up a lot of assists next year.
Without Henry and McCauley on the floor he will get a lot more opps for passes. And I really think Martin will be as good with plus shooting.
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Then don’t mention it!!! He’s fine… Ya all really going to live like that and worry about shit you can’t control?? Is that really the stuff we’re going to start talking about??
Let me know so I’m not here for it… Enjoy the season and the success. Indiana State has some NIL investors if you’re worried about it write a check, go to the meetings, etc etc. I’m sure trying to keep Avila here will be a top priority. But if a P5 really wants him then they will make him an offer that he can’t refuse.
I’m just not going to have this conversation every single time we get a good player in here - well I hope we can keep him happy so he stays around. It feels so second rate and worthless to operate in that head space. If Avila leaves then so be it - go to the portal and find his replacement. Next man up. You can’t worry about these kids maybe or maybe not leaving especially in this environment. They’re going to do what is best for them and that’s that.
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Yes, but what can we do? I just hope he LOVES playing HERE and for CS.
He hasn't used one because he hasn't had one here. But pure PG isn't really the issue -- it's being either a clutch facilitator or playmaker under pressure.
It is no coincidence that Gibson had 6 turnovers in both the UMKC and USI games. There are times when your team needs a facilitator that can just get your guys into a bucket to calm things down. In both games I saw Gibson try, press and turn it over which led to continued runs and eventual lost leads. If your PG isn't a facilitator that can do this, he needs to be a playmaker that can get his own bucket. I feel like Gibson is solid, but he isn't a plus shooter so he's not quite three dimensional there.
Move along everyone -- No room here for any clear-eyed, steely-eyed pragmatists.
EvilleSycamore
The All-MVC Level
Your next true point guard is setting on the bench in Martin. I agree with Jason on this one, once this years last year of eligibility players ( can't call em seniors anymore) clear out, you need a scorer preferably a PF that will compliment a multitude of line-up's from the grouping of Kent, Robbie, Martin, Leary, Hobbs, Blesden The freshmen coming in, and maybe Crawford. That gives us an experienced core group who have played together ( which we didnt have this year) We can ship the rest of the crew down to USI like last year and pick up 3-4 portal players that fit that last piece or two, if we have a great year this year our street cred may be enough to land the P-5 scorer we all dream about. IMO the Valley level of play wont be any better next year and possibly weaker than this year so we may be in a better position than when we came into this year as far as experience and solid depth. we need the next man up as a scorer and and the other piece/
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