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It is nice to see a coach take full responsibility for his team....but Coach sure is hard on himself. All coaches second guess every decision but Coach needs to stay strong. I for one believe in Coach and the future of this team.
 

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I think he's trying to do everything he can to keep the attention off of the players in a tough loss, which is what every good coach does. We've got a good coach and he will bring the glory back to ISU basketball.
 
Thats what great coaches do to be honest...Everyone remembers Bobby Knight when he was pissed but you should have heard some of his interviews after tough losses...words like "We weren't prepared enough." "We didnt get the effort we needed consistently enough." "we have to be better."
 

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As frustated as I (and the rest of us on this board) am, I can only imagine how the coaching staff feels. I just keep telling myself that if you had told me at the start of the season that we would be in 4th place at this point in the season, I would have been pretty good with that. Yes it could be better, but we all know as Sycamore fans, it could also be worse. There have been many a year that we were just trying to stay out of the cellar at this point in the season.
 
The team chemistry that developed during the early MVC season has pulled an Elvis and left the building............................
 
I can see your emphatic points for Lansing, but it's still hard to see Lathan & Kelly struggle within his system. A GOOD coach finds a way to get the best out of ALL of his players, thus maximizing overall TEAM productivity. Rarely has this been the case THIS season.
 

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Against WSU we saw our need for another big center to backup Walker and that has been seriously missing throughout the year. I also thought our bench played poorly as I thought we had good match ups but it did not happen. Regretfully, I think Kelly and Lathan are not doing their thing and it has hurt the capability of our team. They are both are great players with experience and unique skills but they have not played up to their capabilities. They should be the team leaders but they haven't shown it. As previously stated in other comments the Coach and his staff need to do a better job of facilitating and improving on our strengths and decreasing the weaknesses we have shown throughout the season. We have a great team and coach and staff and we need to learn from our errors and mishaps.
 
I would put at least one of them at the end of the bench for "mop up use only" and play the ones that pass the ball for a teamate's better shot. Enough with the dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, blind drive, blind drive, blind drive already. Spacing and passing is what got the team off to a great Valley start not dribble, blind drive, dribble, blind drive, dribble, dribble, dribble.............
 
BankShot said:
I can see your emphatic points for Lansing, but it's still hard to see Lathan & Kelly struggle within his system. A GOOD coach finds a way to get the best out of ALL of his players, thus maximizing overall TEAM productivity. Rarely has this been the case THIS season.
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I'm not saying that Lansing has maximized team productivity, but I don't know that Lathan and Kelly are really struggling within the system unless you consider what they did last year struggling within KMac's system.

Kelly 09/10: 12 Games, 28.8 minutes/game, 9 pts, 3.3 boards, 1.5 assists, 2 TO
Kelly 10/11: 18 Games, 26.7 minutes/game, 9.3 points, 2.9 boards, 2.9 assists, 2.5 TO
Kelly Last 7 Games (Since Return): 18ish minutes/game, little more than 6 points, little better than 2 boards, little better than 2 assists, just over one TO

Lathan 09/10: 20 Games, 23.6 minutes/game, 12.7 pts, 5.1 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.6 TO
Lathan 10/11: 20 Games, 24.8 minutes/game, 12 pts, 4.6 boards, 1.7 assists, 3.1 TO
Lathan Last 7 Games (Since Return): 18ish minutes/game, little more than 6 points, nearly 4 boards, 2 TOTAL ASSISTS, nearly 2 TO

In my mind, Kelly has played about as expected. If you play the percentages, giving him 26 or 27 minutes a game would get you to about his season average. He's not progressed like many of us hoped, but he hasn't hurt us since returning from injury IMO. In fact, I think you can make the argument that the WSU game in Wichita doesn't go to double or triple OT without Kelly on the team.

Lathan is a different story. Either he's pressing or he's still not over his concussion. He was shooting 47.5% before the injury. Since his return? 27.7%. Instead of playing within the system that's been implemented, he's just put his head down and worried about his stats...and they've been hurt because of it. 2 TOTAL ASSISTS in 7 games from a ball handler such as Lathan in a MOTION OFFENSE is ridiculous.

My basic conclusion is this: Lathan and Kelly DO fit in this system. Kelly is already fitting in...maybe he's not been the star we hoped he'd be, but he's been a solid contributor for us all season. Lathan has something going on. Either he and coach are butting heads (figuratively) or he literally butted his head against the floor harder than we thought and it's still affecting him. I hope he can learn to play within the offense that got us to 7-1, because he'll be a dangerous weapon if he can. I haven't seen anything in the last three weeks that gives me a lot of hope for that, though.
 
RE: Kelly, Lathan

When Jake was first announced as transferring to Indiana State, we heard a lot of talk about how he was going to be such a big star and that he was going to lead this resurgence in the program.

I said at the time that it was a lot of pressure to put on a local kid....and my comments were misconstrued as being negative about Jake's abilities as a player and a leader....

I wanted to see Jake play without all that pressure....and just let Jake be Jake....we've seen glimpses of that.....and hopefully we'll see more before the season comes to an end....he's a good kid and a good player...i'd love to see him just go out and play loose....

as for Lathan, gosh he reminds me so much of Carl Nicks.....he plays so much out of control some times...and on other occasions he makes such an athletic play.....

the indiana state coaches sent nicks to a junior college in florida for a short time to settle down his game after recruiting him as a freshman.....it worked for the most part...but he would still do things that drove you crazy...like missing breakaway dunks....and the ball bounding all the way back to midcourt....lol....

let's hope that both jake and dwayne get going over the last half of the regular season and on into the conference tournament.....
 
Jon said:
I'm not saying that Lansing has maximized team productivity, but I don't know that Lathan and Kelly are really struggling within the system unless you consider what they did last year struggling within KMac's system.

Kelly 09/10: 12 Games, 28.8 minutes/game, 9 pts, 3.3 boards, 1.5 assists, 2 TO
Kelly 10/11: 18 Games, 26.7 minutes/game, 9.3 points, 2.9 boards, 2.9 assists, 2.5 TO
Kelly Last 7 Games (Since Return): 18ish minutes/game, little more than 6 points, little better than 2 boards, little better than 2 assists, just over one TO

Lathan 09/10: 20 Games, 23.6 minutes/game, 12.7 pts, 5.1 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.6 TO
Lathan 10/11: 20 Games, 24.8 minutes/game, 12 pts, 4.6 boards, 1.7 assists, 3.1 TO
Lathan Last 7 Games (Since Return): 18ish minutes/game, little more than 6 points, nearly 4 boards, 2 TOTAL ASSISTS, nearly 2 TO

In my mind, Kelly has played about as expected. If you play the percentages, giving him 26 or 27 minutes a game would get you to about his season average. He's not progressed like many of us hoped, but he hasn't hurt us since returning from injury IMO. In fact, I think you can make the argument that the WSU game in Wichita doesn't go to double or triple OT without Kelly on the team.

Lathan is a different story. Either he's pressing or he's still not over his concussion. He was shooting 47.5% before the injury. Since his return? 27.7%. Instead of playing within the system that's been implemented, he's just put his head down and worried about his stats...and they've been hurt because of it. 2 TOTAL ASSISTS in 7 games from a ball handler such as Lathan in a MOTION OFFENSE is ridiculous.

My basic conclusion is this: Lathan and Kelly DO fit in this system. Kelly is already fitting in...maybe he's not been the star we hoped he'd be, but he's been a solid contributor for us all season. Lathan has something going on. Either he and coach are butting heads (figuratively) or he literally butted his head against the floor harder than we thought and it's still affecting him. I hope he can learn to play within the offense that got us to 7-1, because he'll be a dangerous weapon if he can. I haven't seen anything in the last three weeks that gives me a lot of hope for that, though.
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I with you 100%, well said.
 

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Jon said:
I'm not saying that Lansing has maximized team productivity, but I don't know that Lathan and Kelly are really struggling within the system unless you consider what they did last year struggling within KMac's system.

Kelly 09/10: 12 Games, 28.8 minutes/game, 9 pts, 3.3 boards, 1.5 assists, 2 TO
Kelly 10/11: 18 Games, 26.7 minutes/game, 9.3 points, 2.9 boards, 2.9 assists, 2.5 TO
Kelly Last 7 Games (Since Return): 18ish minutes/game, little more than 6 points, little better than 2 boards, little better than 2 assists, just over one TO

Lathan 09/10: 20 Games, 23.6 minutes/game, 12.7 pts, 5.1 boards, 1.4 assists, 2.6 TO
Lathan 10/11: 20 Games, 24.8 minutes/game, 12 pts, 4.6 boards, 1.7 assists, 3.1 TO
Lathan Last 7 Games (Since Return): 18ish minutes/game, little more than 6 points, nearly 4 boards, 2 TOTAL ASSISTS, nearly 2 TO

In my mind, Kelly has played about as expected. If you play the percentages, giving him 26 or 27 minutes a game would get you to about his season average. He's not progressed like many of us hoped, but he hasn't hurt us since returning from injury IMO. In fact, I think you can make the argument that the WSU game in Wichita doesn't go to double or triple OT without Kelly on the team.

Lathan is a different story. Either he's pressing or he's still not over his concussion. He was shooting 47.5% before the injury. Since his return? 27.7%. Instead of playing within the system that's been implemented, he's just put his head down and worried about his stats...and they've been hurt because of it. 2 TOTAL ASSISTS in 7 games from a ball handler such as Lathan in a MOTION OFFENSE is ridiculous.

My basic conclusion is this: Lathan and Kelly DO fit in this system. Kelly is already fitting in...maybe he's not been the star we hoped he'd be, but he's been a solid contributor for us all season. Lathan has something going on. Either he and coach are butting heads (figuratively) or he literally butted his head against the floor harder than we thought and it's still affecting him. I hope he can learn to play within the offense that got us to 7-1, because he'll be a dangerous weapon if he can. I haven't seen anything in the last three weeks that gives me a lot of hope for that, though.
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said it before and i'll say it again, stats are not reality and are fool's gold in evaluating players.
 
dr. bucket said:
said it before and i'll say it again, stats are not reality and are fool's gold in evaluating players.
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Stats by themselves may be, you can misinterpret things pretty easily...garbage time points, etc...but if you noticed, I also made comments about how each was performing within the system, and if I didn't make mention that Lathan's percentage is BOOSTED by his performance in garbage time at CU, I should have.

I've had this argument with you before, bucket. You're wrong if you think coaches don't pay attention to statistics, and I'm not saying that's the only thing they pay attention to, because we all know it isn't. Floor performance within the game is more important than what you see on the stat sheet, and I'm pretty sure I went into a little detail about that as well.
 
4Q_iu said:
Ooooooo-Kay -- what's the best way to evaluate players?
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with your peepers

take it from Arnold "Red" Auerbach, who is the greatest coach ever:

"Well, it started way back, when Walter Brown owned the team. I had this theory, which we still use. And that is, a player’s salary is determined by what the coaches see and what I see. What determines a player’s salary is his contribution to winning—not his statistical accomplishments.

I don’t believe in statistics. There are too many factors that can’t be measured. You can’t measure a ballplayer’s heart, his ability to perform in the clutch, his willingness to sacrifice his offense or to play strong defense.

See, if you play strong defense and concentrate and work hard, it’s got to affect your offense. But a lot of players on a lot of teams, all they point at is offense. Like in baseball they say, “I hit .300 so I should get so much money.”

I’ve always eliminated the statistic of how many points a guy scores. Where did he score them? Did he score them during garbage time? Did he score them when the game was on the line? Did he score them against good opponents? There are so many factors."
 
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