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Heard of any prospect getting offered?
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country123a
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I check Rivals every once in a while but haven't seen anything yet. Surely they've made some offers by now.
O'leary is no better than Kyle Tony was in high school and KT never got a look at being a college QB. What makes anyone think that O'leary can be a college QB? However I always in favor of brining in local kids... So can't say I disagree with any of that.
not that it matters but
only 1 Div 1 school wanted Jay Cutler to play QB...Vandy
How many schools have egg on their face?!
SI just did a piece on the QB at Cent Michigan; he only got offers from EIU, and some non-scholie Div 1-FCS schools; he's already ahead of Tim Tebow in total yardage; EVERY Big Ten turned him down; he's a likely 1st/2nd rd QB in the spring.
Let's get the best athletes/players we can, THEN start worrying about where they fit on the field.
Are we really in ANY position to turn away talent? (Unless their criminal record warrants it, sign 'em up!)
only 1 Div 1 school wanted Jay Cutler to play QB...Vandy
How many schools have egg on their face?!
SI just did a piece on the QB at Cent Michigan; he only got offers from EIU, and some non-scholie Div 1-FCS schools; he's already ahead of Tim Tebow in total yardage; EVERY Big Ten turned him down; he's a likely 1st/2nd rd QB in the spring.
Let's get the best athletes/players we can, THEN start worrying about where they fit on the field.
Are we really in ANY position to turn away talent? (Unless their criminal record warrants it, sign 'em up!)
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country123a
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That works for me.
And that's a good point - I guess I wasn't really suggesting to "turn away" talent if you were indeed talking to me. I was just curious as to how O'leary could paly QB for ISU if Kyle Tony was never good enough... Although he went through a position change under West - but still...
in doing some research for a story I was working on last week....
I came across a feature story on former Miami Dolphins wide receiver Mark Clayton.....in the story, he said that he received only two Division I scholarship offers....Louisville....and Indiana State.....
Had things not worked out at Louisville, he was prepared to transfer to ISU...he went to high school in Indianapolis....
and here is another one for you.....former University of Miami All-American defensive tackle Russell Maryland....went to high school in Chicago....had only one firm scholarship offer as a senior.....from Indiana State....was all set to come to ISU...when former Miami coach Jimmy Johnson saw him on film while looking at another player.....Miami came in late...and the rest is history....
I talked to Russell Maryland at the NFL combine this past February...and I asked him about that.....he said that he was all set to be a Sycamore...but when Miami came calling, that was the end of that....lol......
And the best story of all....when Peyton Manning was a senior in high school...and was getting all sorts of national attention.....one of the New Orleans papers did a big Sunday feature on Peyton and all the schools who were recruiting him...the story was titled, "Where Will Peyton Go?"......
in the story, he made a comment about all the schools that had contacted him...and he said, jokingly, that he may just end up at Indiana State....lol....well, as soon as that story hit the newstands, we started getting phone calls from media people down south....somebody sent Dennis Raetz a copy of the story....we all got a big kick out of that....lol....
Years later, after Peyton was playing here in Indy, I had the chance to talk to him and I asked him about that story....he said that he remembered that....and it was all because his older brother, Cooper, had seen a game on TV that Indiana State had played...while he was changing channels (conference Game of the Week)....it was on a cable station down there in New Orleans.....so as a joke, they threw Indiana State's out there....and some of the media down there bought it...hook, line and sinker.....he laughed about it when I asked him about the whole story....
I came across a feature story on former Miami Dolphins wide receiver Mark Clayton.....in the story, he said that he received only two Division I scholarship offers....Louisville....and Indiana State.....
Had things not worked out at Louisville, he was prepared to transfer to ISU...he went to high school in Indianapolis....
and here is another one for you.....former University of Miami All-American defensive tackle Russell Maryland....went to high school in Chicago....had only one firm scholarship offer as a senior.....from Indiana State....was all set to come to ISU...when former Miami coach Jimmy Johnson saw him on film while looking at another player.....Miami came in late...and the rest is history....
I talked to Russell Maryland at the NFL combine this past February...and I asked him about that.....he said that he was all set to be a Sycamore...but when Miami came calling, that was the end of that....lol......
And the best story of all....when Peyton Manning was a senior in high school...and was getting all sorts of national attention.....one of the New Orleans papers did a big Sunday feature on Peyton and all the schools who were recruiting him...the story was titled, "Where Will Peyton Go?"......
in the story, he made a comment about all the schools that had contacted him...and he said, jokingly, that he may just end up at Indiana State....lol....well, as soon as that story hit the newstands, we started getting phone calls from media people down south....somebody sent Dennis Raetz a copy of the story....we all got a big kick out of that....lol....
Years later, after Peyton was playing here in Indy, I had the chance to talk to him and I asked him about that story....he said that he remembered that....and it was all because his older brother, Cooper, had seen a game on TV that Indiana State had played...while he was changing channels (conference Game of the Week)....it was on a cable station down there in New Orleans.....so as a joke, they threw Indiana State's out there....and some of the media down there bought it...hook, line and sinker.....he laughed about it when I asked him about the whole story....
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Tom can you please provide a link as proof? lol aha
I'm not going to bring up the whole debate again but you know I think O'Leary is a better QB and QB prospect than Kyle Toney. However, I don't think Toney ever got a fair shake to QB at ISU. I always thought he had a chance here at ISU to be QB. However, he had/has a low, slow release and not a real powerful arm which was probably held against him.
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here is the clayton stuff
"Born Mark Gregory Clayton in Indianapolis, he grew up like many Indiana kids playing basketball. But his short stature and quick feet made him an outstanding football player at every level he played. During his career at Cathedral High School in Indianapolis, Clayton weighed only 155 pounds and played quarterback and tailback. His lack of size didn't attract a lot of colleges. His only scholarship offers came from Louisville and Indiana State. He chose Louisville and went on to a fine--yet unoticeable college career. Louisville's football program was always in the shadow of the basketball program and Clayton was never showcased on national television. He finished his college career with 1,100 receiving yards and 6 touchdowns as a senior. "
"Born Mark Gregory Clayton in Indianapolis, he grew up like many Indiana kids playing basketball. But his short stature and quick feet made him an outstanding football player at every level he played. During his career at Cathedral High School in Indianapolis, Clayton weighed only 155 pounds and played quarterback and tailback. His lack of size didn't attract a lot of colleges. His only scholarship offers came from Louisville and Indiana State. He chose Louisville and went on to a fine--yet unoticeable college career. Louisville's football program was always in the shadow of the basketball program and Clayton was never showcased on national television. He finished his college career with 1,100 receiving yards and 6 touchdowns as a senior. "
Without naming any names I can name a couple QB's at Indiana State that don't have very strong arms - which is either working or has worked against them in the past... :talktohand: But I see what you are getting at!
Ken Dilger too...
Coming out of HS in the late 80s; Ken Dilger had scholie offers from STATE, ISUM, and Morehead State; an illinois recruiter is in Evansville to recruit Kevin Hardy (Ev harrison); some how Dilger's name comes up in conversation.
the Illinois recruiter has never heard of him; the Harrison coach had some tape of dilger, showed it to the recruiter, finds out that dilger is unsigned; going to JC and coaching Jr High fball.
they call dilger HS coach; the recruiter drives over to see him and w/in a week, Dilger has a scholarship to illinois.
He didn't get to play QB (though he had his chance in Spring Ball); Ilinois spent the rest of that spring finding him a position; they settle on TE and 4 yrs later, 2nd round to the Colts;
8 yrs later, he's a Super Bowl Champion TE.
Sign EVERY talented kid you can -- THEN find them a position. Just because one kid was better in HS means squat -- case in point:
Robbie Hummel and Scott Martin -- 4 yrs+ at Valpo High / AAU; 1yr at Purdue...
Coming out of HS in the late 80s; Ken Dilger had scholie offers from STATE, ISUM, and Morehead State; an illinois recruiter is in Evansville to recruit Kevin Hardy (Ev harrison); some how Dilger's name comes up in conversation.
the Illinois recruiter has never heard of him; the Harrison coach had some tape of dilger, showed it to the recruiter, finds out that dilger is unsigned; going to JC and coaching Jr High fball.
they call dilger HS coach; the recruiter drives over to see him and w/in a week, Dilger has a scholarship to illinois.
He didn't get to play QB (though he had his chance in Spring Ball); Ilinois spent the rest of that spring finding him a position; they settle on TE and 4 yrs later, 2nd round to the Colts;
8 yrs later, he's a Super Bowl Champion TE.
Sign EVERY talented kid you can -- THEN find them a position. Just because one kid was better in HS means squat -- case in point:
Robbie Hummel and Scott Martin -- 4 yrs+ at Valpo High / AAU; 1yr at Purdue...
There are strong arms...and then there are accurate arms....
When we had John Sahm at quarterback back in the early 1990s, he had a cannon for an arm. His problem, when he first got there, was that he thought that he could throw the ball through defenders. He had gotten away with it in high school. When he learned when to throw and not to throw, he was pretty darn good.
Then we had Kip Hennelly, who basically ran the option and couldn't throw as well. But he was successful too...he would lull teams to sleep running the option...and then step back and chuck one downfield....lol...
Then Jeff Miller had a good but not great arm. But he was extremely smart and knew what to do with the ball. As Clint Eastwood would say, he knew his limitations and worked within those limitations. He threw a very good short to medium-range pass with touch. He wasn't a mad bomber, but if teams tried to crowd the wide receivers, he could go deep if needed.
We ran a lot of crossing patterns back then....swing passes.....Jeff could throw on the run...so they had him rolling out....and throwing off play-action.....and off bootlegs....if no one was open, he was a good enough athlete to run the ball and be very productive doing that.....
When we had John Sahm at quarterback back in the early 1990s, he had a cannon for an arm. His problem, when he first got there, was that he thought that he could throw the ball through defenders. He had gotten away with it in high school. When he learned when to throw and not to throw, he was pretty darn good.
Then we had Kip Hennelly, who basically ran the option and couldn't throw as well. But he was successful too...he would lull teams to sleep running the option...and then step back and chuck one downfield....lol...
Then Jeff Miller had a good but not great arm. But he was extremely smart and knew what to do with the ball. As Clint Eastwood would say, he knew his limitations and worked within those limitations. He threw a very good short to medium-range pass with touch. He wasn't a mad bomber, but if teams tried to crowd the wide receivers, he could go deep if needed.
We ran a lot of crossing patterns back then....swing passes.....Jeff could throw on the run...so they had him rolling out....and throwing off play-action.....and off bootlegs....if no one was open, he was a good enough athlete to run the ball and be very productive doing that.....
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I remember one having no knees? Was it Sahm (1985-1989) or Miller (1982-1985); wasn't Todd 'Jughead' Jochim on those teams as well?
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Sycamore Proud
The Nicks Level
Great stories TJ. Thanks for sharing them with us.
Showtime48
The Sycamore Level
Talked to Jacolby Washington today...he heared that ISU offered and got a committment from another JUCO LB, but its only a rumor.
TH_Sycamore12
The Captain Level
I like the idea of going after JUCO players