How many wins to get into the CBI/NIT/CIT?

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Jason Svoboda

Jason Svoboda

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Obviously, if we catch fire and shock the world by winning the MVC Tournament, none of this will matter, but looking ahead a little, how many wins would it take ti get into one of the CBI/NIT/CIT postseason tournaments?

We're sitting at 14-10 with 6 games remaining. I count 5 of the 6 as very winnable games and the 6th (Creighton) being a wildcard since it will be at home, senior night and should be rowdy since we'll be on national TV. Say we win 4 of the 6, would 18-12 be good enough before whatever happens during Arch Madness?

Current Numbers:

RPI: 114
SOS: 118
Proj SOS: 127

W-L Splits:

Split W-L Pct
Home 9-2 0.818
Away 3-7 0.3
Neutral 2-1 0.667
Conference 5-8 0.385
Conf Home 4-2 0.667
Conf Away 1-6 0.143
Conf Neutral 0-0 -
Top 25 1-1 0.5
RPI 1-50 2-4 0.333
RPI 51-100 1-3 0.25
RPI 101-150 1-1 0.5
RPI 151-200 3-1 0.75
RPI 200+ 6-1 0.857
 

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A winning record gets us to a post-season tournament.

Other than that, 20+ wins gets us to the NIT.


If we win out and then lose in the MVC tourney finals for a final record of 22-11, do we get an at-large bid to the NCAA? Probably not, but VCU thought the same thing last year.
 
Quabachi said:
A winning record gets us to a post-season tournament.

Other than that, 20+ wins gets us to the NIT.


If we win out and then lose in the MVC tourney finals for a final record of 22-11, do we get an at-large bid to the NCAA? Probably not, but VCU thought the same thing last year.
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Agree with your first statement as you buy any home court games into the CBI & CIT tourneys, but the NIT is a whole different thing now. It has not been a private selected tourney for a couple of years & is selected and run by the NCAA much like the Big Dance. Auto bids to conference season winners who do not make the Big One and a reward to mostly other 8th & 9th place BCS teams with overall winning records as well as a few gaudy record mid-majors. A team finishing in the bottom half of the Valley likely will not get in even if making it to the conference tourney championship no matter their overall record? If I can find last year's bracket I will post it in this thread later?
 
Coach said:
Agree with your first statement as you buy any home court games into the CBI & CIT tourneys, but the NIT is a whole different thing now. It has not been a private selected tourney for a couple of years & is selected and run by the NCAA much like the Big Dance. Auto bids to conference season winners who do not make the Big One and a reward to mostly other 8th & 9th place BCS teams with overall winning records as well as a few gaudy record mid-majors. A team finishing in the bottom half of the Valley likely will not get in even if making it to the conference tourney championship no matter their overall record? If I can find last year's bracket I will post it in this thread later?
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Wichita state, Kent state, Missouri state, college of charleston...looking at last years bracket there were ALOT of mid majors much more than I listed...
 
I think the NIT is already a long shot regardless of how many we win from here on out. With a winning record though, we probably make one of the others. We did a couple of years ago anyway.
 

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We might benefit, too, from the buzz we received last year. With invitational tournaments, I think that and fan attendance and numbers matter more than your record.
 
bent20 said:
We might benefit, too, from the buzz we received last year. With invitational tournaments, I think that and fan attendance and numbers matter more than your record.
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Fan attendance not an issue any more.......................for the NIT it can get you a home game but won't get you in the tourney. For the CBI/CTI a team pays for the home court. They don't care how many actually show up. Not the team but the CBI/CTI people don't care.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Bump. What do you guys think now?
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I'm for dropping us from ALL post season play, NOW!!!

Dropping post season play for us, is like having the good fortune of actually dropping a bad habit.

If we had no Seniors...that's one thing, but to have so many, what's the point? Where's the growth opportunities for the underclassmen?
 

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This was posted in another thread that has been archived. Teams with less than stellar records that played in these two tourneys last year.

The CBI field in 2011
Evansville- 15-15
Miami (OH)- 16-16
Oregon- 16-17
San Jose State- 17-15
St. Bonaventure- 16-14

CIT Field in 2011
Air Force- 15-15
Buffalo- 17-13
East Carolina- 18-15
Ohio- 18-15
ORU- 19-15
San Francisco- 17-14
SMU- 17-14
 
Play, but .....

I'm all for playing in post season tournament, but les get the underclassmen some really good playing time. Certainly the seniors deserve to start and play a great deal, but we need major, major minutes for Gant, Kitchell, etc. etc. Major -- meaningful minutes !
 
Absolutely play!

Westbadenboy said:
I'm all for playing in post season tournament, but les get the underclassmen some really good playing time. Certainly the seniors deserve to start and play a great deal, but we need major, major minutes for Gant, Kitchell, etc. etc. Major -- meaningful minutes !
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Love to see NIT but we'll likely be in the CBI or CIT...

As they were both referred to as 'sub-NIT' tourneys over the weekend... accept the 'best offer,' i.e. the one that gives us the best chance to play several games, love to win it but use this as a reward to the SRs AND to develop for the future.
 
If you play in post-season tournaments, you play in them to win them, not to get young guys experience like they're some sort of exhbition for next year. Yes, the added playing time is nice, but that's not the main reason you go. You go to pursue success and to build confidence as a team, to make as deep of a run as you can. A couple of years ago most of us were thrilled to play in a post-season tournament. Let's not let the fact that we had - what proved to be - unrealistic expectations this year ruin the opportunity.
 

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If you play in post-season tournaments, you play in them to win them, not to get young guys experience like they're some sort of exhbition for next year. Yes, the added playing time is nice, but that's not the main reason you go. You go to pursue success and to build confidence as a team, to make as deep of a run as you can. A couple of years ago most of us were thrilled to play in a post-season tournament. Let's not let the fact that we had - what proved to be - unrealistic expectations this year ruin the opportunity.
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Couldn't agree more!
 
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