Judge rules on video game

[Patriot_Sycamore]

http://www.cfoworld.com/technology/20061/judge-rules-ea-has-right-depict-college-football-players



Rules EA has right to use college player likeness for game.


I can see both sides, they use everythng but name on jersey....and those are just a download away.

Wonder how much EA pays the NCAA for the football and basketball games?

 

[Jason Svoboda]

I'm one that doesn't see both sides. College athletes are getting paid to play in the form of an education, room and board, books and the perks that go along with being a college athlete. If they don't want to be taken advantage of, they can apply for Pell grants and student loans and be a part of the general student populace.

Hell, I'd love to be done paying student loans but I'm still paying on mine.

 

[dr. bucket]

I'm one that doesn't see both sides. College athletes are getting paid to play in the form of an education, room and board, books and the perks that go along with being a college athlete. If they don't want to be taken advantage of, they can apply for Pell grants and student loans and be a part of the general student populace.

Hell, I'd love to be done paying student loans but I'm still paying on mine.

all of which probably translates to something less than the minimum wage given the time they have to put in. you make it sound like such an easy life.

if it looks like slavery. sounds like slavery. walks like slavery. it just might be slavery.

 

[Callmedoc]

all of which probably translates to something less than the minimum wage given the time they have to put in. you make it sound like such an easy life.

if it looks like slavery. sounds like slavery. walks like slavery. it just might be slavery.

I am in favor of the Olympic model but literally paying these kids is probably wrong...

 

[Chief_Quabachi]

all of which probably translates to something less than the minimum wage given the time they have to put in. you make it sound like such an easy life.

if it looks like slavery. sounds like slavery. walks like slavery. it just might be slavery.

If the above can be accepted as probable, I then offer that Social Security is a PONZI SCHEME.......because it looks like a ponzi scheme. sounds like a ponzi scheme. walks like a ponzi scheme. it just MIGHT be a ponzi scheme.

 

[Patriot_Sycamore]

Social Security is for sure a Ponzi scheme.........



The NCAA is making a ton of money off of these athletes, use some of that money to help schools like ISU support training tables, help cover some travel expenses. How much of these profits go back to the member schools?

 

[4Q_iu]

Social Security is for sure a Ponzi scheme.........



The NCAA is making a ton of money off of these athletes, use some of that money to help schools like ISU support training tables, help cover some travel expenses. How much of these profits go back to the member schools?

Likely far more than anyone of us realizes.

 

[Jason Svoboda]

I don't know who is being serious here, but some of this nonsense posted is ridiculous. That said, what I would be behind a revenue sharing model by the NCAA to the schools to help cover additional luxuries for athletes as mentioned above. Training tables, better travel accomodations, etc. Also, what sort of soft dollar cost can be put on the college athlete experience? The travel, the opportunity to play in the NCAA tournament, etc.

If someone really thinks they are a slave, they should quit immediately. The problem with this bullshit slave ideology is that student-athletes and parents don't put a high enough value on that college degree. 3.1% of high school basketball players go on to play college ball. From there, only 1.2% go on to be professionals. So 98.8% of college basketball players will enter the work force yet if you look at APR rates, 98.8% of of these kids aren't graduating across the board.

If a player wants to forgo the compensation offered by college programs, they are allowed to do so and seek a professional position overseas. Brandon Jennings decided to skip Arizona and play in Italy. Or, you can join the general student populace.

Stats: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Issues/Recruiting/Probability+of+Going+Pro

 

[4Q_iu]

If the above can be accepted as probable, I then offer that Social Security is a PONZI SCHEME.......because it looks like a ponzi scheme. sounds like a ponzi scheme. walks like a ponzi scheme. it just MIGHT be a ponzi scheme.

In general, don't ponzi schemes benefit one person?

 

[Sackalot]

all of which probably translates to something less than the minimum wage given the time they have to put in. you make it sound like such an easy life.

if it looks like slavery. sounds like slavery. walks like slavery. it just might be slavery.

Outlandish statement much??? Wow that is crazy talk. You talk about student athletes like they went off to war and defended our freedom and they were put in serious mortal danger or that they are flogged daily by their coaches..remember this is a sport they are playing. They are the most well taken care of and most supported student population on any college campus. The student athletes have a better deal than the presidential scholars have...the students that have 4.0+ in HS, the valedictoirans that come to ISU? COME ON?? The student athletes are deserving and I love college sports, but EA sports using the likeness of a college student athlete on their game equates to slavery??? That is a bit over the top!

Like Boda said, the value of a college education can be immeasurable. The unemployment rate for college grads is 4%, compared to almost 10% for the entire population. College grads on average make more than $20K per year that those without one. And if you would like I will hand over my Nelnet bill to any student athlete that wants to complain. And by the way, as far as better travel accomodation???? I have traveled over 1,300 miles to get to a fraternity meeting in a broken down Chevy Astro van with 12 people in it, didn't complain once, loved it, enjoyed every minute of it (I might have been drunk most of the trip) and stayed in a hotel that had one bed and you would not want to sleep on the floor at all, trust me and I have done that several times because I wanted to be a part of it. my point is that travel accomodations are bunk in my opinion, you want to play, you put up with it. It is not like these athletes are staying in motels that rent out per hour or anything and ISU might need a bus or more money to rent a bus to make a road trip a little nicer, but come on!!!.

 

[Chief_Quabachi]

First, i agree with Jason 100% with regard to paying college athletes.

To address 4Q_iu's question of who benefits. Not necessarily does a ponzi scheme benefit only one person. Madoff's entire family benefited from his scheme. Look at the mechanics of both. There will be some slight variances which basically are disguised by terminology.

My dad Never drew a penny form Soc. Sec. as he died at age 51 after paying into it for his working years which was 6 months prior to his death. Due to the "Blackout Period" my mother never received Soc. Sec. survivor benefits from dad's contributions until her age 62, 13 yrs. after dad's death.

I sold products that beat Soc. Sec. hands down which were not subject to the ups and downs of the stock market. Those products offered many varied settlement options not available with Soc. Sec..

 

[sycamorebacker]

if it looks like slavery. sounds like slavery. walks like slavery. it just might be slavery.

Well I guess it isn't because it doesn't sound like it, walk like it, or look like it.

 

[4Q_iu]

Too many folks...

First, i agree with Jason 100% with regard to paying college athletes.

To address 4Q_iu's question of who benefits. Not necessarily does a ponzi scheme benefit only one person. Madoff's entire family benefited from his scheme. Look at the mechanics of both. There will be some slight variances which basically are disguised by terminology.

My dad Never drew a penny form Soc. Sec. as he died at age 51 after paying into it for his working years which was 6 months prior to his death. Due to the "Blackout Period" my mother never received Soc. Sec. survivor benefits from dad's contributions until her age 62, 13 yrs. after dad's death.

I sold products that beat Soc. Sec. hands down which were not subject to the ups and downs of the stock market. Those products offered many varied settlement options not available with Soc. Sec..

Don't understand what Social Security is; and what it is is a non-Ponzi Scheme.

For if it IS a Ponzi Scheme; please list all of the folks who benefit from this "scheme?"

If you DO, add yourself as the No. benefitor.

Since EVERY Administration / Congress since ~1964 has dipped into the trust fund for ~$4T and spent it on OTHER government programs or keeping taxes rates LOWER than they would have; WE'VE all benefited; directly and in-directly.

Paying college athletes? On top of what they're receiving now?

It sounds good in principle BUT what do you pay them? WHO provides the $$$, does the All-American DE get more than the top-ranked tennis player or golfer?

 

[dr. bucket]

let me put it in a very simple analogy.

you work for a company and receive no salary or other wages. through your work your company realizes hundreds of millions of dollars but you do not share in its good fortune by being given a bonus, a stipend or any kind of wage. however, the company does send you to a bunch of seminars and you are allowed to eat in the company cafeteria.

oh sure you can leave your company for another similar company, which you will be prohibited from fully joining for a year. at your new company, you will receive no salary or other wages. through your work your company will realize hundreds of millions of dollars but you will not share in its good fortune by being given a bonus, a stipend or any kind of wage. the good news is that while you are waiting for that year to join your new company, you will be sent to seminars and allowed to eat in the company cafeteria.

please keep in mind, the contract which you will sign at any company binds you for a period of four years; however, the institution is only bound for one year.

there it is

 

[dr. bucket]

Well I guess it isn't because it doesn't sound like it, walk like it, or look like it.

1
: drudgery, toil
2
: submission to a dominating influence
3
a : the state of a person who is a chattel of another

sounding, walking and looking pretty close

 

[dr. bucket]

Don't understand what Social Security is; and what it is is a non-Ponzi Scheme.

Paying college athletes? On top of what they're receiving now?

It sounds good in principle BUT what do you pay them? WHO provides the $$$, does the All-American DE get more than the top-ranked tennis player or golfer?

as is the custom in capitalism, the customer/consumer pays the dollars and those who generate the revenue or cause the revenue to be generated benefit from the revenue. so basically we are talking about basketball and football. the top-ranked tennis player or golfer get only what they are worth, which in this case would most likely be zilch.

to handle this in any other manner would smack of socialism (egad!). it would then be up to the institution to determine the value of those non-revenue sports (again with a tip of the hat to good old capitalism) and decide to underwrite them though donations, student fees (oh please don't tax me), operating funds or some combination of these three. or let them go.

let's keep socialism out of college athletics!

 

[4Q_iu]

as is the custom in capitalism, the customer/consumer pays the dollars and those who generate the revenue or cause the revenue to be generated benefit from the revenue. so basically we are talking about basketball and football. the top-ranked tennis player or golfer get only what they are worth, which in this case would most likely be zilch.

to handle this in any other manner would smack of socialism (egad!). it would then be up to the institution to determine the value of those non-revenue sports (again with a tip of the hat to good old capitalism) and decide to underwrite them though donations, student fees (oh please don't tax me), operating funds or some combination of these three. or let them go.

let's keep socialism out of college athletics!

Universities / Colleges are not businesses that exist to provide entertainment of an athletic nature.

If all of athletes were required to perform without receiving ANY remuneration; they would have a basis of complaints.

How many WALK-ONs athletes are complaining?

You hear complaints from the full-ride SCHOLARSHIP athletes at the BCS schools.

Every kid is free to walk away and attend (and expense) college like the MAJORITY of college students.

 

[4Q_iu]

let me put it in a very simple analogy.

you work for a company and receive no salary or other wages. through your work your company realizes hundreds of millions of dollars but you do not share in its good fortune by being given a bonus, a stipend or any kind of wage. however, the company does send you to a bunch of seminars and you are allowed to eat in the company cafeteria.

oh sure you can leave your company for another similar company, which you will be prohibited from fully joining for a year. at your new company, you will receive no salary or other wages. through your work your company will realize hundreds of millions of dollars but you will not share in its good fortune by being given a bonus, a stipend or any kind of wage. the good news is that while you are waiting for that year to join your new company, you will be sent to seminars and allowed to eat in the company cafeteria.

please keep in mind, the contract which you will sign at any company binds you for a period of four years; however, the institution is only bound for one year.

there it is

In your analogy; you've completely overlooked the scholarships that the 'worker' receives.

 

[Sackalot]

Doc, I read everything you are saying, and I do understand the argument, but it holds no water at all. The scholarship is their pay. Dependent upon the school that can be upwards of $100,000+ for 4 years. In some cases even more than that...ND? How many 18 year olds get paid that kind of money? Very, very few.
Average Cost
The average cost of a bachelor's degree is $25,143 per year at a private college and $6,585 at a public college or university, according to the 2008-09 reports released by the College Board. About 56 percent of students pay less than $9,000 in tuition and fees per year, the board found, while only 9 percent pay more than $33,000. These averages do not include room and board.

Multiple organizations and websites say the average cost of a bachelor degree ranges from about 11K per year up to over 40K per year for some privates. So lets just go with an average of $25K. That means $100,000 is paid, on the student athletes behalf on average throughout this country (when a student is on full ride). I can tell you that I would have jumped at the chance to make $25,000 per year as a 19 year old sophomore. Now, do all of them have money to run out and buy the new Blu-ray on tuesday, maybe not, do they have money to buy an iPad, maybe not. Are they taken care of, provided room and board, clothing, free books and tuition and still more perks? YES. It is not slavery...and you don't mention the free housing in your analogy either....

Keep trying though...I enjoy your efforts to try to convince me and others that it is slavery...lol. I will say that student athelets should be given more of a stipend because they are not allowed to have a side job. But you have to understand that sports are a part of a university to create school spirit, provide for entertainment on the campus and ultimately to provide for academic needs on the campus. I love college sports and watch them almost exclusively other than the NFL. But college sports are not an "industry" they are subsection of a entire university system. If all college sports went away tomorrow (god forbid) universities would still persist and exist. Colleges do not exist so atheletic students can play a sport and get paid to do so. It is against the mission of the entire university system...wow I just sounded like our old friend.

You get my point. Education is the reason for a college to exist....sports are a portion of that, without question, but just because college sports brings in milliions of dollars does not mean that a student athlete should get a share of it. They get their share with the incredible scholarships that most receive. The entire university should get that share and use it to better provide education in various educational areas while providing tremendous entertainment and a rallying point for students, alumni and community

 

[dr. bucket]

In your analogy; you've completely overlooked the scholarships that the 'worker' receives.

those are the expenses incurred in sending employees to seminars, i.e., classes