Kid goes off on teacher -- "You got to touch his freakin' heart"

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All you teachers on here and not one comment. I'm disappointed.

Looks like the local news station caught up with him.

 
I completely agree with the kid.

I have a degree in social studies and while I haven't found a full-time job yet, I taught for the first six weeks of the school year for a maternity leave. While you can't make it entertaining every day, you MUST have passion for what you are teaching because the kids can feed off of it. School isn't fun, we all know that. But it can be made worth it by making the kids feel like they have value in the classroom by interacting and getting their feedback on the subject.

Good luck kiddo!
 
Teacher has been placed on administrative leave. He says she cursed at him and kicked him out for asking too many questions.



 
BTW, I'm still shocked that more teachers on this site haven't responded. I see you guys posting on Facebook/Twitter about the state of education, standardized testing, so on and so forth. Here is your poster boy to change and it's been widely ignored. Talk about missing a golden opportunity for change.
 
BTW, I'm still shocked that more teachers on this site haven't responded. I see you guys posting on Facebook/Twitter about the state of education, standardized testing, so on and so forth. Here is your poster boy to change and it's been widely ignored. Talk about missing a golden opportunity for change.

I completely understand teachers' aversion to jumping into this fray. Our former governor, and many state legislators, have convinced so many people that all the problems of our state are due to the evils inflicted on our students from public school teachers, that they aren't going to open themselves to further attack by joining this fray.

I would simply say that this young man is the minority in today's schools. Many kids, and more importantly their parents, want the easy A given to them. They want no consequences for anything they do, or don't do. They have an entitlement mindset that somehow the schools owe them something. I see it in kids all the time. I see it in their parents even more often. And that saddens me.

This kid is to be commended for his passion regarding his eduction - if it's real. Sorry, I'm a cynic. A lot of young people will go to great lengths to see how they can grab their 15 minutes of fame, and then stretch it out. Not saying he's doing that, just that I'm jaded. We have no idea what happened in class before this video (not just the 10 minutes before, but what kind of student is the kid? What kind of teacher is she? What happens in a typical day in that classroom), and so I'm not gonna sit here and pass judgment on the kid or the teacher.

There's a lot that needs fixing in education, but nothing will work until parents get off their lazy butts and actually start parenting again. I'm not my kids' friend, I'm their dad. There's a difference there. Too many parents have no clue that they shouldn't be their kids' best friend. Until that gets fixed, you can throw all kinds of theories, programs, and money at education, and it won't do a damn bit of good.
 

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I completely understand teachers' aversion to jumping into this fray. Our former governor, and many state legislators, have convinced so many people that all the problems of our state are due to the evils inflicted on our students from public school teachers, that they aren't going to open themselves to further attack by joining this fray.

I would simply say that this young man is the minority in today's schools. Many kids, and more importantly their parents, want the easy A given to them. They want no consequences for anything they do, or don't do. They have an entitlement mindset that somehow the schools owe them something. I see it in kids all the time. I see it in their parents even more often. And that saddens me.

This kid is to be commended for his passion regarding his eduction - if it's real. Sorry, I'm a cynic. A lot of young people will go to great lengths to see how they can grab their 15 minutes of fame, and then stretch it out. Not saying he's doing that, just that I'm jaded. We have no idea what happened in class before this video (not just the 10 minutes before, but what kind of student is the kid? What kind of teacher is she? What happens in a typical day in that classroom), and so I'm not gonna sit here and pass judgment on the kid or the teacher.

There's a lot that needs fixing in education, but nothing will work until parents get off their lazy butts and actually start parenting again. I'm not my kids' friend, I'm their dad. There's a difference there. Too many parents have no clue that they shouldn't be their kids' best friend. Until that gets fixed, you can throw all kinds of theories, programs, and money at education, and it won't do a damn bit of good.
Fair enough, but I don't. This kid and his subsequent interviews opens the door for teachers to combat standardized testing. From what I've read on this, the packets were related to the Texas version of the ISTEP. At least that is what it sounds like from reading accounts from some folks in the Texas area.

I think enough has come out to show this kid is legit. Eyewitness accounts from students stating he asked a lot of questions, teacher cursed at him and complained about him doing so, he told her that her language was in appropriate, her kicking him out of class and then you have his rant. Pretty simple to gauge the teacher by her responses during the video. Her tone is beyond condescending. Teacher has been placed on administrative leave.

I'm also sick and tired of it being put on parents, too. That's just not going to change, especially in the areas (urban, inner city) where the complaints of parents are the loudest. Maybe I'm wrong. Also, I think you can be your kid's friend but also be a parent -- I am with Tanner. It's all how you set up and drive the relationship as a parent.

Maybe it's time for teachers to rally parents together and get changes made? I don't know the answer, but I've heard the complaints. Unless people quit complaining and start doing something about it, it'll never change.
 
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I'll give you that the video gives a wonderful treatise on the many, mostly negative, effects of standardized testing. And yes, teachers should get out in front of these discussions. They wasted that opportunity in Indiana. For the past 10-20 years, anyone with a semi-functioning brain could see the various debates shaping up in education - merit pay, standardized testing, etc. Instead of jumping out in front of the issues, and thereby framing the issues how they wanted, the teachers/education establishment sat back and whined. Nature abhors a vacuum, and into the vacuum stepped politicians. These same people who can't seem to comprehend basic math, nor drive from one end of Indy to the other without a DUI. They framed the debate, on focus group tested sound bytes, demagoguery, and "solutions" that simply create more problems while failing to solve anything. But they framed the debate, and they won because they took control of the issues.

And you can hate all you want about this being a parent problem, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Schools cannot force kids to do their homework, behave in class, have scholastic ambition, and really apply themselves when their parents won't even do that. Did you know that homework is optional? That's something I learned when my son started school. So many parents took so little interest in their kids' education that a very high percentage were just blowing off homework every night. And so it goes. It is the job of parents to raise their children with a respect for those things, and too many parents today barely raise their children by any definition. It really does all start at home. I realize I may be singing a hopeless tune here, but the root of so many of our problems lies in the home.

And please don't take my statement about being a parent, not a friend, and try and make it sound like I went to the Josef Goebbles School of Parentry. Being the parent doesn't necessarily mean being mean. It means, as you said, driving the relationship yourself, not allowing the child to drive it. And not being afraid to teach your child that they aren't always right, and that just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

All in all, if this woman is a bad teacher, she should be removed from the classroom. Period. And yes, it could be a very instructional piece to legislators, policymakers, and the general public that even the students can see that so many educational "reforms" are wasted time and effort. But the problem is so complex, and so pervasive, that I'm not sure it can be solved anymore under the current system.
 
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I'll give you that the video gives a wonderful treatise on the many, mostly negative, effects of standardized testing. And yes, teachers should get out in front of these discussions. They wasted that opportunity in Indiana. For the past 10-20 years, anyone with a semi-functioning brain could see the various debates shaping up in education - merit pay, standardized testing, etc. Instead of jumping out in front of the issues, and thereby framing the issues how they wanted, the teachers/education establishment sat back and whined. Nature abhors a vacuum, and into the vacuum stepped politicians. These same people who can't seem to comprehend basic math, nor drive from one end of Indy to the other without a DUI. They framed the debate, on focus group tested sound bytes, demagoguery, and "solutions" that simply create more problems while failing to solve anything. But they framed the debate, and they won because they took control of the issues.

And you can hate all you want about this being a parent problem, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Schools cannot force kids to do their homework, behave in class, have scholastic ambition, and really apply themselves when their parents won't even do that. Did you know that homework is optional? That's something I learned when my son started school. So many parents took so little interest in their kids' education that a very high percentage were just blowing off homework every night. And so it goes. It is the job of parents to raise their children with a respect for those things, and too many parents today barely raise their children by any definition. It really does all start at home. I realize I may be singing a hopeless tune here, but the root of so many of our problems lies in the home.

And please don't take my statement about being a parent, not a friend, and try and make it sound like I went to the Josef Goebbles School of Parentry. Being the parent doesn't necessarily mean being mean. It means, as you said, driving the relationship yourself, not allowing the child to drive it. And not being afraid to teach your child that they aren't always right, and that just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

All in all, if this woman is a bad teacher, she should be removed from the classroom. Period. And yes, it could be a very instructional piece to legislators, policymakers, and the general public that even the students can see that so many educational "reforms" are wasted time and effort. But the problem is so complex, and so pervasive, that I'm not sure it can be solved anymore under the current system.

Agreed pretty much on all accounts. Seems to be my theme of the day today. LOL
 
Now wait a minute. A few weeks ago we had an article linked on here in which ratemyprofessor was used to rank schools with bad professors and ISU was near the top. Several on here flipped out and the general sentiment seemed to be to blame the students for bitching and not working harder to earn their degrees. Few wanted to discuss whether or not professors should be held to a higher standard. Now we have a viral video of some kid going on a rant in class about how shitty his teacher is and the kid is to be praised? Which is it? Quite the double standard.
 

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Now wait a minute. A few weeks ago we had an article linked on here in which ratemyprofessor was used to rank schools with bad professors and ISU was near the top. Several on here flipped out and the general sentiment seemed to be to blame the students for bitching and not working harder to earn their degrees. Few wanted to discuss whether or not professors should be held to a higher standard. Now we have a viral video of some kid going on a rant in class about how shitty his teacher is and the kid is to be praised? Which is it? Quite the double standard.
I don't think that was the complaint -- it was the source. Do you want anything that MTV manages to control the rating your institution receives in the Princeton Review?

http://www.sycamorepride.com/showthread.php?25562

Need more proof?

http://blog.ratemyprofessors.com/the-best-of-professors-strike-back/

Um, yeah, totally credible and professional in my eyes.
 
I don't think that was the complaint -- it was the source. Do you want anything that MTV manages to control the rating your institution receives in the Princeton Review?

http://www.sycamorepride.com/showthread.php?25562

Need more proof?

http://blog.ratemyprofessors.com/the-best-of-professors-strike-back/

Um, yeah, totally credible and professional in my eyes.

And some high school kid going on a rant in class, in which he mostly just echoes what he's heard others say, is worthy of more consideration because?
 
And some high school kid going on a rant in class, in which he mostly just echoes what he's heard others say, is worthy of more consideration because?

Consideration is up to the viewer but you're making a leap here to make those assumptions. I'll start with one big difference -- anonymity. Same complaints that people have with message boards.
 
Consideration is up to the viewer but you're making a leap here to make those assumptions. I'll start with one big difference -- anonymity. Same complaints that people have with message boards.

It's not like this kid had a press conference. He was recorded by a classmate and it happened to go viral. I'm not really sure why. Not exactly the best way to make his argument. That said, if most of those students hammering their professor on ratemyprofessors knew they could get similar attention by going off in class, they probably would. Of course they'd also be more likely to get kicked out.

I just don't see much of a difference between this kid getting angry in class and going on a rant and some kid visiting a website and submitting a similar fit electronically. Again though, why shouldn't professors be held to a higher standard? Why do they get a pass? I had lazy, uninspired teachers at all levels of my education, doesn't mean ISU should accept it while local school districts are expected to lay down the hammer.
 
It's not like this kid had a press conference. He was recorded by a classmate and it happened to go viral. I'm not really sure why. Not exactly the best way to make his argument. That said, if most of those students hammering their professor on ratemyprofessors knew they could get similar attention by going off in class, they probably would. Of course they'd also be more likely to get kicked out.

I just don't see much of a difference between this kid getting angry in class and going on a rant and some kid visiting a website and submitting a similar fit electronically. Again though, why shouldn't professors be held to a higher standard? Why do they get a pass? I had lazy, uninspired teachers at all levels of my education, doesn't mean ISU should accept it while local school districts are expected to lay down the hammer.

What way would the kid make his case? Going to the administration? Yeah, right.

As for your second paragraph, who doesn't want teachers held to a higher standard? Again, the fact that the ratings on RMP are anonymous makes me question validity especially when they're filming "when professors strike back" segments and also taking ratings based on how hot professors are.
 

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What way would the kid make his case? Going to the administration? Yeah, right.

As for your second paragraph, who doesn't want teachers held to a higher standard? Again, the fact that the ratings on RMP are anonymous makes me question validity especially when they're filming "when professors strike back" segments and also taking ratings based on how hot professors are.

So going on a rant in class is the best way to make his case? How do we know he wasn't pissed because he's had disciplent problems in the past and doesn't like teachers in general? How do we know this is anymore genuine that some internet survey?
 
So going on a rant in class is the best way to make his case? How do we know he wasn't pissed because he's had disciplent problems in the past and doesn't like teachers in general? How do we know this is anymore genuine that some internet survey?
You could do the research and read the same stuff I posted that came from kids in the class?
 
You could do the research and read the same stuff I posted that came from kids in the class?

Your research is a bunch of interviews with the kid and his mom. The district is investigating and the teacher is on leave, that's about it unless you're a conservative trying to make this kid a poster child for railing against public school teachers. Again, my argument isn't that there aren't bad teachers, but that they exist at every level. Let's set politics aside for the moment and focus on making sure we've got the best at ISU!
 
What way would the kid make his case? Going to the administration? Yeah, right.

As for your second paragraph, who doesn't want teachers held to a higher standard? Again, the fact that the ratings on RMP are anonymous makes me question validity especially when they're filming "when professors strike back" segments and also taking ratings based on how hot professors are.

We all know that "back in the dayz," the only GOOD ISU professors "hung out" @ the Little Slipper, sipping Boone's Farm wine while enjoying the peak of Strawberry Fields and purple microdots...
 
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