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ISUCC said:
Wow, so not it appears CU is STAYING one more season! ha!

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/coll...on_xavier_to_join_next_HWBR8nzwcf0a0rZSxkf8IM

so that begs the question, do we still add 1-2-3 teams, KNOWING they are gone in 2014????

the A-10 will lose FIVE teams July 1st, if the MVC dilly dally's around and does NOT add, then the A-10 may add some teams that the MVC is wanting to add. Come on Elgin, get things moving!!
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So...if I'm reading this correctly, CU is definitely gone but in 2014 instead of 2013. I believe, as I've said in about 10+ other posts, that the MVC should be adding 3 schools right now. So we play with 13 for one year...who cares? We have to be in a position of power and be proactive. As you mentioned, the A-10 will be looking to add schools also, and will most likely be looking to add them from the same pool we are.

Get to work Elgin!
 

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IndyTreeFan said:
I'd be inclined to tell Creighton to leave now. We don't need to be their "ass-boy" for a season when they're already one foot out the door. Don't let the door hit 'ya, BJ's. :talktothehand:
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I hear where you're coming from, but I don't think it's as easy as just telling them to leave. The conference can benefit from their membership for one more year; I have no problem with that.
 
BrokerZ said:
So...if I'm reading this correctly, CU is definitely gone but in 2014 instead of 2013. I believe, as I've said in about 10+ other posts, that the MVC should be adding 3 schools right now. So we play with 13 for one year...who cares? We have to be in a position of power and be proactive. As you mentioned, the A-10 will be looking to add schools also, and will most likely be looking to add them from the same pool we are.

Get to work Elgin!
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We TOTALLY need to be adding schools NOW, get to 12 for 13'-14' and then add one more in 14'

When we KNEW Tulsa was leaving we added Evansville and were at 11 for one season, then Tulsa left and we're at the same 10 we're at now.
 
BrokerZ said:
I hear where you're coming from, but I don't think it's as easy as just telling them to leave. The conference can benefit from their membership for one more year; I have no problem with that.
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agreed, CU staying one more season BENEFITS the MVC. Like I said, we need to root for them to do well in the NCAA, more wins = more $$ for ISU. So if they stay thru next season and again make the NCAA's with McDermott, then that's even more $$ for ISU and the MVC.
 
One thing that people have to remember about this, though, is that Doug Elgin isn't operating in a vacuum. He cannot take action without the express consent of the Presidents of the member Universities. I've been told multiple times that the Presidents have been very content to stand pat on our membership, so even if Elgin has a list of 3 that would join the conference tomorrow, he can't do a thing without approval. That might be a harder thing to accomplish than any of us think...

Hopefully, and remember we're talking University presidents here, they have seen the need to move quickly and have granted Elgin the authority to make necessary changes to our membership.

One other thing - be thankful that we're already in the MVC. In today's realignment craziness, we'd be a school left holding the bag. We couldn't move if we wanted to. I'm very glad we're already where we should be.
 

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BrokerZ said:
I hear where you're coming from, but I don't think it's as easy as just telling them to leave. The conference can benefit from their membership for one more year; I have no problem with that.
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So if they stay and take tourney appearance from us, that's okay if we get a share of the tourney cash? No.

You want to leave? Ari, take it away.

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IndyTreeFan said:
One thing that people have to remember about this, though, is that Doug Elgin isn't operating in a vacuum. He cannot take action without the express consent of the Presidents of the member Universities. I've been told multiple times that the Presidents have been very content to stand pat on our membership, so even if Elgin has a list of 3 that would join the conference tomorrow, he can't do a thing without approval. That might be a harder thing to accomplish than any of us think...



Hopefully, and remember we're talking University presidents here, they have seen the need to move quickly and have granted Elgin the authority to make necessary changes to our membership.

One other thing - be thankful that we're already in the MVC. In today's realignment craziness, we'd be a school left holding the bag. We couldn't move if we wanted to. I'm very glad we're already where we should be.
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Getting the attention of the presidents and conveying the importance of making additions to the Valley should be the #1 priority of Elgin and each director of athletics in the MVC. The future of the MVC and Elgin's job are at stake it seems to me.
 
BrokerZ said:
How many times has Creighton taken away a tourney appearance from us?
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As many as they've helped us get into. That isn't the point I'm trying to make. The fact that they are a perennial power drastically reduces the opportunity of us making it. They've been to the postseason 15 years in a row.
 

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Jason Svoboda said:
As many as they've helped us get into. That isn't the point I'm trying to make. The fact that they are a perennial power drastically reduces the opportunity of us making it. They've been to the postseason 15 years in a row.
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I see where you're coming from, but I could argue the exact opposite viewpoint. The fact that Creighton is a perennial power increases our opportunity of making the tournament. Two conference wins against a "power" looks pretty good on a resume. Taking down the power teams in the conference, I would imagine, looks good to recruits too.

I can appreciate that you're looking for an even playing field, and I have no arguments there. Nevertheless, I still feel ISU is the reason ISU doesn't make the tournament.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
As many as they've helped us get into. That isn't the point I'm trying to make. The fact that they are a perennial power drastically reduces the opportunity of us making it. They've been to the postseason 15 years in a row.
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I disagree with that statement. It's the teams that suck each year that are drastically reducing everyone else's chances at postseason play. The good teams aren't doing it. Losing to Creighton and WSU isn't keeping us out of the postseason. Losing to SIU, Drake, MSU, and other bottom dwellers is what is keeping us from the postseason. Besides, we only got swept once this year. It was by a play-in team. Creighton isn't keeping us out of the postseason.

ISU's problems are ISU's doing. Doesn't have anything to do with anyone else's success. A stronger MVC is better for everyone.

EDIT: Yes, I realize that we were "the teams that suck each year" for 20 years. I now know why people from Creighton and WSU feel they way they do about the rest of the conference...
 
So, in light of the teams whose profiles I posted last night and today, I don't think they all fit into what the Valley should be looking for to grow effectively. We need to grab schools with good programs, not a few good teams. With the info I found, the teams that should be looked at for expansion are as follows:

Murray State - consistent winner over at least a decade - football is an issue, but not for me.
Belmont - consistent winner, has proven ability to beat big boys, wonderful tv market and who wouldn't like a trip to Nashville...
Oral Roberts - consistent winner, has one of the top coaches in the country, nice geographic partner to the western schools in the MVC
Valpo - not as sold on their consistency, but they have a track record of making the postseason not my first pick, though
NDSU - no real track record, but they are new to D-I and have proven resources, fan base, and programs have been pretty successful since the jump

So there you go. Any thoughts on this? Am I off base?
 
IndyTreeFan said:
So, in light of the teams whose profiles I posted last night and today, I don't think they all fit into what the Valley should be looking for to grow effectively. We need to grab schools with good programs, not a few good teams. With the info I found, the teams that should be looked at for expansion are as follows:

Murray State - consistent winner over at least a decade - football is an issue, but not for me.
Belmont - consistent winner, has proven ability to beat big boys, wonderful tv market and who wouldn't like a trip to Nashville...
Oral Roberts - consistent winner, has one of the top coaches in the country, nice geographic partner to the western schools in the MVC
Valpo - not as sold on their consistency, but they have a track record of making the postseason not my first pick, though
NDSU - no real track record, but they are new to D-I and have proven resources, fan base, and programs have been pretty successful since the jump

So there you go. Any thoughts on this? Am I off base?
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you can remove ANY dakota school from your list, it's NOT gonna happen. It eliminates the MVC from being a bus league and the presidents are not going to vote to admit far away teams (plural) that will significantly increase travel for all sports. And besides, they're not a private school. If they were closer than WSU/Creighton/Drake/UNI then yes, they would be perfect, but they're nearly in Canada.

The ONLY way schools like that will ever be admitted is if Drake, UE, and Bradley all decide to leave the MVC. UE could easily leave, they have the Horizon and OVC that they could slide into. They would be stupid to do that though IMO. The options for Drake and Bradley are pretty much nothing.

So once again, I'm sticking to my opinion that whichever school(s) are admitted, they will be private. If we add more than 2 schools, there will be a public school in there somewhere.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
No, not really. At one point it could be when attending sporting events was a priority, but I don't consider it a big factor any more to be quite honest. There are 349 division 1 basketballs teams. As much as we bark about attendence, not sure if anyone knows it, but we're in the Top 100 nationally.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012/2012+ncaa+mens+basketball+attendance
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Hmmm... in another thread you used CU's larger gym and better attendance as reasons why their MBB is 'better' (more resources, fewer costs b/c of football...) but now you're saying you don't consider attendance a big factor.

Maybe we're talking past each other...
 

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ITF, I just want to add one more reason why the dakotas won't be joining the MVC. Their league tournament is held in Sioux Falls, all those games are home games for S. Dakta. St. (and if USD ever gets good they will be home games for them as well). Right now they play their league tournament in a high school gymnasium. It's smaller than my high school gym was in Indiana. But in 2015 the league tourney will be played in a new 12,000 seat arena in Sioux Falls.

So IMO none of the schools in South Dakota will ever want to give that home court advantage up. They will fight tooth and nail to keep their league intact.

Now, whether or not their league survives these next rounds of conference shuffling is another question? They will very likely lose Oakland to the Horizon league within a year or 2. That brings them to 8 teams (if Denver sticks to their word and joins this summer). And once Oakland leaves, what will IUPUI and IPFW do? Are they going to want to stay in a league where they have to send their teams nearly 1000 miles away for contests? I don't think they have many options for joining other conferences though, so they may very well be stuck in that league. Would the WAC go after IUPUI & IPFW? Who knows, they seem to not care where their schools are located? And they'd actually compete well in the WAC against lesser competition and their conference tourney is at a neutral location like the MVC.
 
IndyTreeFan said:
So, in light of the teams whose profiles I posted last night and today, I don't think they all fit into what the Valley should be looking for to grow effectively. We need to grab schools with good programs, not a few good teams. With the info I found, the teams that should be looked at for expansion are as follows:

Belmont - consistent winner, has proven ability to beat big boys, wonderful tv market and who wouldn't like a trip to Nashville...

So there you go. Any thoughts on this? Am I off base?
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Will you defend your claim of nashville as a "wonderful tv market"?
 
4Q_iu said:
Hmmm... in another thread you used CU's larger gym and better attendance as reasons why their MBB is 'better' (more resources, fewer costs b/c of football...) but now you're saying you don't consider attendance a big factor.

Maybe we're talking past each other...
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I don't consider a school's attendance as a good reason to include them.

I just used the illustration to show one of Creighton's monetary advantages.
 
The presidents of the Big East's seven Catholic schools -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's and Villanova -- met with their athletic directors in New York on Wednesday and will announce new membership for the new Big East within 7-10 days, according to a source who had first-hand knowledge of the meeting.

The presidents also told the ADs that a search firm has been hired to find a new commissioner.

Additional members have not yet been invited, so naming any set teams is premature, although the favorites remain Xavier and Butler out of the Atlantic 10 and Creighton out of the Missouri Valley. Dayton and Saint Louis also are candidates from the A-10, with Richmond probably a long shot.

The new Big East will begin play in 2013-14, and will hold its postseason tournament at Madison Square Garden.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ig-east-announce-additional-members-7-10-days
 
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