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No arguments here. Would have been nice to see Odum as 2nd team all MVC, but I can live with it. COY--if Lansing doesn't get it there should be a Congressional investigation into the ethics of writers in the MVC.
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Several people believe Cuonzo Martin should be COY -- I'd argue that it's Lansing right now. Zo has had the same starting lineup for all 20 games. Lansing has dealt with a ton of injuries already.

Odum could be second team All-MVC by the end of the year.
 
I really don't understand how you could give the COY award to anyone other than Lansing at this point of the season. The same logic they used in the article applies. We were picked 7th preseason. He has definitely proven that he has what it takes to lead a team to a championship.

I saw this comment in the ESPN coversation for the upcoming game on Wednesday.

Wichita State 2019 (1/23/2011 at 9:11 AM) Report Violation
Indiana State, you guys are gonna be the favorite next year to win the conference. u have a very good team.

Starting to earn some respect???:sycamores:
 
“I’m not looking forward to competing against him for the next three-and-a-half years. He’s a tremendous player. He’s a great get for them. It’s a great thing for [ISU coach] Greg [Lansing] to have a point guard so young, and they’ll grow together. Their union is so positive for them and their program,” Marshall said.
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In case u missed it, wichita's coach Gregg Marshall's words on Jake Odum. :-)
 

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Thanks for posting that Bones. I had missed it. If I were in Marshall's position I would have said the same thing. Indeed, the future for the Sycamores is very bright! I'm looking forward to seeing the Shockers in Terre Haute.
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Jake Odums value to this team extends beyond the stats, he might not get a lot of love in post season awards, which mean about as much as the preseason voting. Honestly I think you do a good job and it's always fun to read a different perspective, but at the same time it's articles like this that irritate me.

Jake Odum is and has been in the top 5 in Mo Val play in assists, steals and assist to turnover ratio - I haven't seen the updated stats but he may lead all 3 categories? He's a freshman point guard playing for the 3rd best team in the Mo Val right now, how in the heck does he not make even 3rd team all MVC?

You don't have to take my word for it, just take the word of EVER coach in the MVC who has faced him, so please don't take my word for it. The kid has been fantastic. He's scoring above 7 points a game, so it's not like he can't score. I just don't get it? Does AC or Richard sit in the top 5 in 2 or more statistical categories? Doubtful.

Oh and I just love how McDermott makes it and Odum doesn't. Is he really that much better than Jake Odum? I don't believe he is, I could easily argue that Odum is more important to the Sycamores than McDermott is to Creighton - it's really no contest. So my feedback is this, you did him a disservice by listing him as honorable mention...
 
I went ahead and looked it up:

Jake Odum:

In MVC play only Jake Odum leads the MVC in steals (2.7 a game), second place is 1 steal behind him. Odum leads the league in assists (5.7 a game), second place is nearly a full assist behind a game. He ranks 2nd in the league A/T Ratio - just a few points back of 1st place.

Let the record show that Rice and Young who made your second team list trail Odum in all 3 of those stat categories. This makes me question what you were looking out when handing out these mid season award? You can't be serious?

Odum not known for being a fantastic shooter actually shoots a better 3pt % (33%) on the season that both Young (29%) and Rice (28%). Odum also shoots (50%) on the year from the field, that's 12% better than both Rice and Young.

What in the heck are your "midseason awards" based on? Did you even look at the stats? Or did you just look at points and rebounds?
 
SycamoreStateofMind said:
I went ahead and looked it up:

Jake Odum:

In MVC play only Jake Odum leads the MVC in steals (2.7 a game), second place is 1 steal behind him. Odum leads the league in assists (5.7 a game), second place is nearly a full assist behind a game. He ranks 2nd in the league A/T Ratio - just a few points back of 1st place.

Let the record show that Rice and Young who made your second team list trail Odum in all 3 of those stat categories. This makes me question what you were looking out when handing out these mid season award? You can't be serious?

Odum not known for being a fantastic shooter actually shoots a better 3pt % (33%) on the season that both Young (29%) and Rice (28%). Odum also shoots (50%) on the year from the field, that's 12% better than both Rice and Young.

What in the heck are your "midseason awards" based on? Did you even look at the stats? Or did you just look at points and rebounds?
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The awards, as labeled in the article, are based on the entire season of work, not just Valley play. If it was just in league play, Odum would have been ranked higher. He didn't come into his own until MVC play started... since then, he's been fantastic.

Rice is flat out a stud. I'm not sure how many times you have seen him play, but IMO he's a better ballplayer than Jake is right now. There isn't anything he can't do. Drake doesn't have a true point guard, so comparing assist numbers is comparing apples to oranges.

I'll agree that Odum has been at least as good as Young of late, and the awards might swing a different direction by the end of the year, but Young has started every game for CU and is averaging better than 36 minutes. He shoots well from the line and his defense has improved dramatically.

We can pick apart numbers and choose whichever stats make our guy look better... but it's an opinion piece and I hope you can respect the difference in opinion.

Thanks for the feedback...
 

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electricmayhem said:
The awards, as labeled in the article, are based on the entire season of work, not just Valley play. If it was just in league play, Odum would have been ranked higher. He didn't come into his own until MVC play started... since then, he's been fantastic.

Rice is flat out a stud. I'm not sure how many times you have seen him play, but IMO he's a better ballplayer than Jake is right now. There isn't anything he can't do. Drake doesn't have a true point guard, so comparing assist numbers is comparing apples to oranges.

I'll agree that Odum has been at least as good as Young of late, and the awards might swing a different direction by the end of the year, but Young has started every game for CU and is averaging better than 36 minutes. He shoots well from the line and his defense has improved dramatically.

We can pick apart numbers and choose whichever stats make our guy look better... but it's an opinion piece and I hope you can respect the difference in opinion.

Thanks for the feedback...
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Fair enough - thanks for your response.
 
electricmayhem said:
The awards, as labeled in the article, are based on the entire season of work, not just Valley play. If it was just in league play, Odum would have been ranked higher. He didn't come into his own until MVC play started... since then, he's been fantastic.

Rice is flat out a stud. I'm not sure how many times you have seen him play, but IMO he's a better ballplayer than Jake is right now. There isn't anything he can't do. Drake doesn't have a true point guard, so comparing assist numbers is comparing apples to oranges.

I'll agree that Odum has been at least as good as Young of late, and the awards might swing a different direction by the end of the year, but Young has started every game for CU and is averaging better than 36 minutes. He shoots well from the line and his defense has improved dramatically.

We can pick apart numbers and choose whichever stats make our guy look better... but it's an opinion piece and I hope you can respect the difference in opinion.

Thanks for the feedback...
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Well when giving ones opinion you make it alot more credible when you support it with something factual and conctete like statistical data. Even if you don't have the normal points,rebounds, assists, per game, you could have said something better than real stud or he plays 36 minutes a game.
Jake O has lead the Sycamores to wins against both of Young and Rice's teams. He also is one of the top 15 in the conference in the Defensive rebound catagory. His game isn't one dimensional. His minutes played per game is listed in the top five. Something not so concrete---ISUb was picked seventh and they are tied for second at the midway point. With all respect for your opiion, how do we differ from the factual data supporting my opinion that the Sycamore's Number 13 should have been mentioned hgher on your list?
 
I think his point is that it's the entire season - not just MVC play. It's just midseason and it's his very valid opinion. Don't take it so personally. There's still plenty of time for Jake to earn honors at the end of the season.
 
LoyalAlum said:
\ It's just midseason and it's his very valid opinion. Don't take it so personally.
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Ima take it personal and will continue to do so until he gets his due credit. Once he was given the keys, this team took off. My point is, his "lack" of production in the non conference was not of his own doing - it was more a product of the system. Not to mention we played a very difficult non-conference schedule - put a freshman on the road for 80% of the road games so I would hope that he has played better in the Mo Val.

Further more I am not mad - this guy has more than right to make his own picks, he does a good job and it was a good read. I got nothing against that, other than I don't agree with this and he surely understood that would be the case that's why he asked for input in the first place. My issue is that he is not the only one who feels this way, others have/share the same opinion and I believe that they are all wrong for the reasons I pointed out and the ones pointed out by givemeheart.
 
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Syc - I appreciate your passion. I agree that I ask for it, and if someone disagrees with me, all the better. It's meant to drum up a solid discussion, which we have done.

It's good to take it personally -- the whole "chip on your shoulder" or "bulletin board material" thing is good. I guarantee you that time will prove whether Jake belongs on the All-MVC teams. If the voters see what I've seen, he'll be there. He's probably the best true point in the league right now... he'll get his due.
 

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electricmayhem said:
Syc - I appreciate your passion. I agree that I ask for it, and if someone disagrees with me, all the better. It's meant to drum up a solid discussion, which we have done.

It's good to take it personally -- the whole "chip on your shoulder" or "bulletin board material" thing is good. I guarantee you that time will prove whether Jake belongs on the All-MVC teams. If the voters see what I've seen, he'll be there. He's probably the best true point in the league right now... he'll get his due.
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Well put and tonight didn't really do much to help make my case... That's the way it goes I guess. He's just a freshman and he will have better games than he had tonight. Confidence is important at any level, especially this level. He didn't look to have as much coming of the tough loss at WSU. Hopefully he can bounce back.
 
give me heart said:
Well when giving ones opinion you make it alot more credible when you support it with something factual and conctete like statistical data. Even if you don't have the normal points,rebounds, assists, per game, you could have said something better than real stud or he plays 36 minutes a game.
Jake O has lead the Sycamores to wins against both of Young and Rice's teams. He also is one of the top 15 in the conference in the Defensive rebound catagory. His game isn't one dimensional. His minutes played per game is listed in the top five. Something not so concrete---ISUb was picked seventh and they are tied for second at the midway point. With all respect for your opiion, how do we differ from the factual data supporting my opinion that the Sycamore's Number 13 should have been mentioned hgher on your list?
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Odum's numbers compare favorably to Rice and Young - AY has a better assist/turnover ratio and Rice is a better rebounder. It's apples and oranges, but like I said before, we can pick whichever stat we want and make a case for a particular guy.

Jake leads the MVC in league play in steals and assists - Rice and Young are superior scorers - Jake and Young have played a ton of minutes - it's all relevant. When the dust settled, I made the picks I did. It could be much different by the end of the season.
 
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