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Dec. 29th 20014

Wichita State 9
Northern Iowa 10
Loyola 57
Illinois State 64
Evansville 114
Missouri State 174
Drake 279
Bradley 284
Indiana State 286
Southern Illinois 318
 

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Should be easier to schedule since we are in the 250+ club. Probably half of the Big 10 will be banging on the door now?
 
Jan. 11th 2015 (entering today's games)

Wichita State 15
Northern Iowa 19
Loyola 48
Evansville 80
Illinois State 103
Missouri State 172
Indiana State 181
Drake 252
Bradley 265
Southern Illinois 313
 
I guess all you can say about that is that we're moving up. I don't think we'll be looking at our RPI while the NCAA selections are being made.

But that doesn't bother me. I'm looking forward to some good conference games.
 

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1/26/15

Wichita State 13
Northern Iowa 23
Evansville 65
Loyola 99
Illinois State 115
Indiana State 174
Missouri State 203
Drake 243
Bradley 256
Southern Illinois 276
 
sycamorebacker said:
We're not going to move up much. I've been watching Sagarin. Too many bad losses.
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I disagree, five wins in a row, again, would get us under 100. Not saying we're gonna win five in a row....just saying its possible we could get our rpi under 100...which would be very important for NIT. Yep, I said it.
 
Quabachi said:
I disagree, five wins in a row, again, would get us under 100. Not saying we're gonna win five in a row....just saying its possible we could get our rpi under 100...which would be very important for NIT. Yep, I said it.
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I guess RPI might be different. It's a simpler calculation, but we are not moving much in Sagarin. Our pre-conference losses were terrible when you check the teams we played and how they are doing. For tournament selection, our conference record should mean something, though.
 

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To give our team the benefit of the doubt. All of our players are now learning how to play with eachother. At the beginning they were kind of clueless. I honestly don't care about RPI or anything like that. I just want to win baby!
 
2/9/15

Wichita State 18
Northern Iowa 19
Illinois State 97
Evansville 114
Loyola 130
Indiana State 169
Drake 201
Missouri State 208
Bradley 268
Southern Illinois 280
 
Quabachi said:
2/9/15

Wichita State 18
Northern Iowa 19
Illinois State 97
Evansville 114
Loyola 130
Indiana State 169
Drake 201
Missouri State 208
Bradley 268
Southern Illinois 280
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Nice little climb. We really can only lose to Wichita State from here on out if we want to get into any post season tournament. I'm pretty sure we were in the 120s or better each of the last 4-5 years, no?
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Nice little climb. We really can only lose to Wichita State from here on out if we want to get into any post season tournament. I'm pretty sure we were in the 120s or better each of the last 4-5 years, no?
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Well, I can't not look that up...

2013/2014 74
2012/2013 73
2011/2012 129
2010/2011 112


(all according the ESPN.com RPI listings)
 
Well....as I posted a few weeks ago...I thought we were headed towards 17-14......and we're back on pace after the Loyola win (I had us winning at UE and losing at Loyala). I think 17-14 puts us in the CBI or CIT (I assume they still have these tourneys). I wouldn't think RPI would be as much of a factor in getting a post season bid as finishing 3rd in the league with a 17-14 record.


12-12

L 2/11 at Wichita State
w 2/14 vs. Drake
w 2/18 at Missouri State
w 2/21 vs. Southern Ill
L 2/25 vs. Wichita State
w 2/28 at Bradley

St Louis

w Loyola
L UNI
 

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I find it funny that we're still way behind Loyola and Illinois state even though we swept both of them. Non-Con means so much to your RPI rating.
 
Just saying, I can see us finishing 3rd in the Valley (best case scenario) and Illinois State, Evansville & Loyola getting bids to post-season tournaments ahead of us due to overall record. Hell's fire, Creighton fans are talking NIT and they are 1-9 in the Big East at last glance and in 15th place or so in a 14 team league. The picture is the "whole body of work" not the conference season, especially since the NCAA and not a bunch of NY businessmen now select the NIT field. This is not the Sycamore's year unless they pull a Miracle in St. Louis (winning it all, nothing less).
 
BlueSycamore said:
Just saying, I can see us finishing 3rd in the Valley (best case scenario) and Illinois State, Evansville & Loyola getting bids to post-season tournaments ahead of us due to overall record. Hell's fire, Creighton fans are talking NIT and they are 1-9 in the Big East at last glance and in 15th place or so in a 14 team league. The picture is the "whole body of work" not the conference season, especially since the NCAA and not a bunch of NY businessmen now select the NIT field. This is not the Sycamore's year unless they pull a Miracle in St. Louis (winning it all, nothing less).
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In theory I agree with what you are saying, although I find your response hard to stomach. We have 6 games left in conference play, I think we will go 3-3 but going 4-2 or 5-1 and if we were to do that it wouldn't take some improbable run in St. Louis to get the job done. Still too many scenarios at play to make such a bold statement.

Once again, I just wish we could let things play out. I mean we are already self eliminating our selves from the Big Dance by talking about these out tournaments. Honest to God, why are we even mentioning the CSDAE and the ASDT and the ISIS tournaments right now? We still have a season going on here!

I bet after a loss Brenton Scott doesn't go, "man so much for us playing in the ASDT tournament this year" - I mean you really think our players are worried about that shit? I bet they are all still playing with the hopes, dreams and intentions of playing in the Big Dance. Of course we maybe only had 4 people on here that really thought we would be dancing 5 years ago when we punched our own ticket.

Sycamore fans are good at one thing and that is victimizing our-self. :smack: Man Up!
 
GuardShock said:
I find it funny that we're still way behind Loyola and Illinois state even though we swept both of them. Non-Con means so much to your RPI rating.
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It means a lot when you don't win but it's just math. Your winning percentage is only 25% of the RPI equation. If you're going to lose games in the non-conference, they need to be against top tier opponents. The RPI is broken down into three weighted components:

1) Winning Percentage (25%)
2) Average Opponents' Winning Percentage (50%)
3) Average Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage (25%)

So if you bomb non-con, it is best to schedule top flight opponents so you can at least get a boost if they are successful. Moving on to postseason math:

The NCAA Division 1 Tournament is a 68 team tournament.
The National Invitation Tournament (NIT) is a 32 team tournament.
The CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament (CIT) is a 32 team tournament.
The College Basketball Invitational (CBI) is a 16 team tournament.

So that's 148 teams involved in some sort of postseason play. I believe there are 351 Division 1 men's programs as of this year. The NCAA handed down 8 bans due to APR restrictions: Alabama State, App State, Florida A&M, Houston Baptist, Lamar, San Jose State, Central Arkansas and Wisconin-Milwaukee. Additionally, Syracuse imposed a self ban for 2015. So now you have 342 teams vying for those 148 spots.

I know some of you folks are against "unimportant" tournaments but I will always contest that there is no such thing. Creighton built their place in the Valley by going to like 15 straight postseason tournaments and they used the shit out of that in recruiting. I would routinely read quotes from recruits saying "They haven't missed the postseason since I was in diapers" and the like. Further, any time you have young players on your roster, getting them more experience against top flight competition and the intensity of win or go home ball is beneficial.

Lastly, getting selected pretty much means you're considered to be in the Top 40% of college hoops programs. When you don't have the added bonus of finishing 8th in the Big Ten and getting in because you're a "high major in the Big Ten" this is an accomplishment IMO. Our goal should be to never fall out of that grouping, especially as an underfunded program from the best mid-major conference out there. This is how you build a long term, successful program that kids want to play at.
 
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