OT-Crean & IU Following Calipari & KU Pattern?

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You'll NEVER hear a coach complaining of this trend, as it would breach the inner sanctity of their professional alliance!-LOL
 
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This is 'normal'

especially for the iu's uk's unc's

how many times has pitino, knight, etc hired a 'bball coordinator' or 'dir of bball ops'
or 'video coordinator'

the only way to stop it is to allow a staff to consist of <insert number> coaches/coordinators.

w/ the deep $$ pockets they have -- salaries are never the issue
 
Maybe I missed something...why is this a problem? This type of thing happens all the time and isn't a "violation" or even considered unethical. To me it is no different than alumni requesting that a coach be from their school. Maybe I am just not seeing it?
 
Nothing personal but do you work for IU or better yet the NCAA? You have quite the "blind eye" for such a position.
 

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while not a violation

it's is UNETHICAL. Should a school hire a HS coach to get 'inroads' w/ his former players?

How many times do schools hire HS coaches or offer teammates a scholarship in order to get in-roads w/ the superstar (think Todd Leary and Eric Montross...)

Is it a violation? Currently no.

Should it?! I think -- Yes.

Agree or Disagree?

I know I'm not going to change my mind.
 
BlueSycamore said:
Nothing personal but do you work for IU or better yet the NCAA? You have quite the "blind eye" for such a position.
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Not at all...I am just trying to understand why it is a problem. Someone applies and/or is contacted to take a job, if they meet the created qualifications what woudl the problem be? I dont' work for anyone, technically.
 
4Q_iu said:
it's is UNETHICAL. Should a school hire a HS coach to get 'inroads' w/ his former players?

How many times do schools hire HS coaches or offer teammates a scholarship in order to get in-roads w/ the superstar (think Todd Leary and Eric Montross...)

Is it a violation? Currently no.

Should it?! I think -- Yes.

Agree or Disagree?

I know I'm not going to change my mind.
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Not trying to change your mind at all...but how in the world is a coach supposed to get the needed "coaching experience" if he doesn't go coach at a HS? Sure their are and always will be questionable situations where coaches, alumni, parents, etc. get hired to help or suggest or push an athlete to a specific school. But, the reality is that no one wins in this situation and it become a political mess for the institution and the alumni/fans and the general public. Alumni/Fans get upset if someone that could help isn't hired, Rivals/other programs get upset if the institution does hire the person that can help. It is a no win in terms of fan base,etc. But the reality is that alumni donors and fans dictate the need to hire persons that have experience and possibly even personal connections to talent. IU, or Notre Dame or USC or UNC don't have to make you happy, they have to make their alumni happy, their sponosors happy, their endorsers happy. This shouldn't be a violation, because it would simply be impossible to stop it from happening. There is no possible way for the NCAA to determine if the fact that an athlete attends a specific school is because that school hired someone they once met or coached them in middle school or was an AAU coach. It is literally impossible to administer a policy like that.

I understand the points all have made...but I don't think that there is any possibility of a policy/violation being put in place for this type of situation. At IU, if an athlete that once played for this guy were interviewed, he would simply say, I came to IU because of the tradition, the program, the town, the location, the school of business, the trees, the colors, the fact that basketball is king instead of football, whatever he wants and as long as he never said it was because of "this guy" then the NCAA couldn't do anything.

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I just don't see why this is an issue. And I would say, why doesn't ISU do the same?
 
sycamores28 said:
Why don't we get a director of basketball operations..we could afford it lol
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I mentioned this point myself in the staff recruiting thread.

Most colleges are hiring a "Director of Basketball Operations" that pretty much just focuses on recruiting. Hell, even your smaller are doing it, the Fairfields and Winthrops have them. It's a non-bench gig and they also have other responsibilities, but for the most part, it's 100% for recruiting.
 
Sackalot said:
Not trying to change your mind at all...but how in the world is a coach supposed to get the needed "coaching experience" if he doesn't go coach at a HS? Sure their are and always will be questionable situations where coaches, alumni, parents, etc. get hired to help or suggest or push an athlete to a specific school. But, the reality is that no one wins in this situation and it become a political mess for the institution and the alumni/fans and the general public. Alumni/Fans get upset if someone that could help isn't hired, Rivals/other programs get upset if the institution does hire the person that can help. It is a no win in terms of fan base,etc. But the reality is that alumni donors and fans dictate the need to hire persons that have experience and possibly even personal connections to talent. IU, or Notre Dame or USC or UNC don't have to make you happy, they have to make their alumni happy, their sponosors happy, their endorsers happy. This shouldn't be a violation, because it would simply be impossible to stop it from happening. There is no possible way for the NCAA to determine if the fact that an athlete attends a specific school is because that school hired someone they once met or coached them in middle school or was an AAU coach. It is literally impossible to administer a policy like that.

I understand the points all have made...but I don't think that there is any possibility of a policy/violation being put in place for this type of situation. At IU, if an athlete that once played for this guy were interviewed, he would simply say, I came to IU because of the tradition, the program, the town, the location, the school of business, the trees, the colors, the fact that basketball is king instead of football, whatever he wants and as long as he never said it was because of "this guy" then the NCAA couldn't do anything.

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I just don't see why this is an issue. And I would say, why doesn't ISU do the same?
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Sack, these guys typically don't get to do any coaching. They're usually administrative in nature. The closest they probably get is scouting opponents and breaking down film. For the current players, they're not teachers, they're more like an academic advisors.

That said, this is where lots of folks get their start, in jobs like this. It pretty much requires a younger guy that has no life and enjoys ramen as it doesn't pay much -- I think Ball State pays their guy $16k or something like that.
 

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Right vs. Wrong

Sorry Sack but just because something is 'hard to police' doesn't mean it's 'right' nor does it mean it's 'wrong.'

If it were simply an issue of coaching candidates gaining experience, sure but you'll never convince me that Crean hired him for his 'experience,' he was hired because of his 'ties' w/ the AAU Summer BBall 'system' and how that will 'pay benefits' to iu.

Should McKenna do it? Can State afford it? Debatable...

As to other schools 'making me happy...' It's not about making me happy; it's supposed to be about playing the game the 'right way.'

The NCAA rule book is as thick as it is because they won't or can't write a policy w/out holes and then the deep-pocketed schools put a bunch of lawyers, compliance 'experts' to work FINDING the holes. So they MEET the letter of the policy; at the same time they're bending/breaking the SPIRIT of the policy.

I guess the best example I can give is:

Several years ago, Sports Illustrated did a piece on Chris Zorich, his hard childhood, how he was such a 'model kid,’ etc, etc, etc

During the interview SI raised the question “Would Chris Zorich be at notre dame IF he wasn’t a football player.” The admissions director stated absolutely, “No. Had Chris Zorich had the same grades, test scores AND been a saxophone prodigy or another non-athletic skill, he would have been refused admission. But Chris’ ‘special talent’ was/is football and we decided to admit him.”

OK, fine; nd can do this BUT for them to then turnaround and break their arms pounding on their chests and patting themselves on the back for being such an ACADEMIC Institution… Well, in my book; they’re hypocrites.

The NCAA has an academic minimum that ALL athletes/recruits must meet to play sports. Some conferences (the Big Ten is one of them) levy stricter academics requirements on athletes/recruits in order to be eligible. Furthermore some colleges (Purdue DID in the past; don’t know today) levy even stricter requirements. notre dame athletes/recruits only have to meet NCAA requirements; does that upset me? No, but again, I’ll consider nd to be hypocritical when they beat their chests about their academic standards… Especially when they’re willing to bend/break/suspend them for a recruit.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Sack, these guys typically don't get to do any coaching. They're usually administrative in nature. The closest they probably get is scouting opponents and breaking down film. For the current players, they're not teachers, they're more like an academic advisors.

That said, this is where lots of folks get their start, in jobs like this. It pretty much requires a younger guy that has no life and enjoys ramen as it doesn't pay much -- I think Ball State pays their guy $16k or something like that.
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I agree... these are entry level positions. Travis Steele was Director of video operations under Sampson at IU, retained by Dakich, and is now an assistant at X. People have to start somewhere.
 
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