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well, i assume we are suppose to be sitting back and laughing about the incident involving dennis raetz at the hs north/south game over the week end.
just as were were suppose to laugh and look the other way when it came to turk roman.
you know, that was just dennis.
now, whether you believe that he simply hit his hand on the table and the window shattered or that the hit the window believing it was plexiglass, makes no difference.
it wasn't funny and it wasn't right.
there are a lot of words you can associate with dennis, but class is not one of them. and that is a shame.
now i know dennis is in the "in" group at isu and will always have the support of many, no matter what he does....i assume short of killing someone, and even then, if he was provoked, some would find it justifiable.
i realize rp looked to dennis when isu needed an interin fb coach, but i wonder if he would today, if the need arose. i hope not, i think not.
fb coaches like to talk about character, well, no doubt, dennis is a character...
 

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What is all this "we" "were" talk? Are you suggesting that people on here are doing that or that we are the type of people to accept actions like this?

Well for what it's worth I don't think anyone on here has looked the other way or condones what he did... I guess you just really can't put into words what he did.

In any situation you have to use a little self restraint and it's obvious that Dennis has none of that. I mean how old is he? He's a little old to be throwing a temper tantrum like a school girl.

With that being said I like the Raetz family and Dennis has always been cordial to me. It's really a bad deal and I am sure he regrets the mistake that he made. It was a great football game and I'd hate for something like this to take away from what a game it was. (For the record I am a South grad)
 
Its pretty pathetic that this happened, but I am not going to pass judgement until more info is available. For what its worth, I am more concerned about the young people that were injured, Mr. Raetz will be dealt with accordingly if it is found that he purposely did it...but you have to assume it was an accident and that it certainly wasn't meant to happen as it did.
I am not defending anyone, but how many times have you thrown a remote control or hit the table when the other team scores a touchdown? I have many times, heck I have actually injured myself hitting a bar top when the Colts were scored on before. I haven't hit a window, but then there wasn't a window in front of me. Unless some further information comes out, I think that this should be looked at as a terrible accident for which I have to assume Coach Raetz is very, very sorry. No need to get all up in arms other than the fact that ISU could see a bit of backlash because those young people that were hurt might want restitution.

I bet Ellis will be all over this or another one of those fine TH attorneys...??
 
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well, if he is sorry, forget it.

sorry he did it, or sorry it is getting so much attention.
accountability.
dennis needs to issue a statement advising that he was wrong, he is sorry, and he is accountable either legally or financially for his actions.
isu should charge him for the repairs to the window.
now for restitution to others, that is for them and any legal system to decide. but lets not blame the injured young people or the manufacturers of the press box for the actions of dennis.
that is like saying that the person who cut turk roman office on the road way was justifiably hunted down by turk, who showed a "badge", misdemeanor or not
 
No one is blaming the victims. I haven't seen that, it's just taking things to the extreme. And do we really need a second thread on this? What do those of you who think this is so awful expect to happen? It seems anything short of a felony conviction and jail time won't satisfy you and will be some sort of "ISU cover up." I would expect there probably will be lawsuits, but that's about it.
 
raetz...character.....

i guess raven it really depends on who you are when it comes to discussing coach raetz and his character...i've known him and have been privileged to be his friend for nearly 30 years....as i said in an earlier post, he was at my wedding in late may...and if not for my brother, dennis would have most likely been the best man at my wedding....

i do know that when it comes to dennis, there are two distinct sides...either those who really like him...or those who really don't....and wait for opportunities like this one to pounce.....

ask his former players what kind of character dennis raetz has....i'd hazard to say you'd get nearly 99.9 percent of them to back the man...and run through a wall for him.....he's meant a lot to a lot of young men who have come through the doors at indiana state university....kept them in school when they wanted to quit....helped them after school to find jobs....and even helped some of them when it came to matters of the heart as well....

now....as i mentioned in that other thread....i don't condone what happened....it shouldn't have happened....but it did....it was an accident pure and simple....a stupid accident.....where people got hurt....and it shouldn't have happened.....

from a guy who came from a family where his parents were divorced and needed someone to be a friend and confidante in some tough times......dennis raetz was there for me....and i'm certainly not going to turn my back on him now.....

i'd say that dennis raetz has displayed more character over the years...and proven to be a good person....than a lot of the people on this message board......
 
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RAVEN said:
well, if he is sorry, forget it.

sorry he did it, or sorry it is getting so much attention.
accountability.
dennis needs to issue a statement advising that he was wrong, he is sorry, and he is accountable either legally or financially for his actions.
isu should charge him for the repairs to the window.
now for restitution to others, that is for them and any legal system to decide. but lets not blame the injured young people or the manufacturers of the press box for the actions of dennis.
that is like saying that the person who cut turk roman office on the road way was justifiably hunted down by turk, who showed a "badge", misdemeanor or not
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We werent making excuses for him hitting the glass....we were just saying if the glass was made properly...that wouldnt have happened...
 
No special treatment here. Dennis will pay for the window. Those of us that like and respect Dennis will continue to do so, and no one here that I read is condoning his behavior. The few of you that have a bone to pick with Dennis, still have a bone to pick with him. I don't think anything critical said about this was out of line and to be honest, seemed quite civil.

Nobody is more embarrased that Dennis and this and I can only think that he has apologized to the people afffected by this. Life moves on.
 
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We werent making excuses for him hitting the glass....we were just saying if the glass was made properly...that wouldnt have happened...
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The glass was made properly; the problem was:

a: the WRONG glass being installed -- it should have been safety glass
b: someone struck the window causing it to shatter

had the correct window been installed; an individual or an object could strike the glass and when it broke, it wouldn't be shards dropping / flying but small pieces shaped like a polygon (pentagons, hexagons, octagons, etc)...
 
What in the heck is this whole theme of "the glass wasn't properly installed" or "there should have been safety glass", etc., etc. First of all, not one person on this board knows whether that's true or not.

It's the worst kind of rationalizing after the fact of an act and a very dubious rationalization that tests the highest levels of BS.

And how could Raetz, who's probably been in the stadium press box more than any one person in that stadium, claim that he thought it was Plexiglass? If you believe that, I've got some land in Florida, etc.

Bottom line? A grown man who knows or should know better hit a glass in anger over the outcome of a high school football game. I don't care if he thought it was bulletproof glass, it was a stupid thing to do and people got hurt as a result. Yes they were apparently minor injuries, but there shouldn't have been any injuries at all. And it could have been a lot worse if a large pane of glass fell into the crowd.

There is nothing that lets him off the hook for it, especially not bullcrap excuses like the glass wasn't properly installed. Anytime a grown man, especially someone as big as Raetz, hits a piece of glass there's a real good chance it's going to break.

As for the friends of Raetz on here, I understand the position you're in, but frankly, no one who got hit by the glass really cares whether he was a good character guy for years, they only care about when he lost control of himself at that given moment. And I don't blame them.
 

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Again, you miss the point. Not one person here has "let him off the hook." People have said it was a stupid thing to do, but it is a legit question about the glass. Who is to say it couldn't happen again, hopefully not with an Indiana St. coach who should certainly know better after this, but it is a safety concern. That's all. I don't know what type of glass it was or how it was installed. Maybe it was pretty safe if the injuries weren't that serious. Again, what do those of you who are so upset think should happen to him?
 
People make mistakes...I have, you have, we all will...Just let it go...No one feels worse than Dennis does trust me....This solves nothing
 
This subject PANES me. Much ado about nothing. The kid likely was given a butterfly and a band-aid for his/her cut and a box of popcorn and sent home. It's WRONG yes, he shouldn't have done it and we all agree on that, he will pay for it, he has apologized to the "victims" and was embarrased and rightfully ridiculed. No one was hospitalized or seriously hurt and you guys keep flaring away with the insults back and forth over a broken fricking window. This is another one of those, we're arguing over the same thing. I just say it doesn't justify all the hype.
 
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What in the heck is this whole theme of "the glass wasn't properly installed" or "there should have been safety glass", etc., etc. First of all, not one person on this board knows whether that's true or not.

It's the worst kind of rationalizing after the fact of an act and a very dubious rationalization that tests the highest levels of BS.

And how could Raetz, who's probably been in the stadium press box more than any one person in that stadium, claim that he thought it was Plexiglass? If you believe that, I've got some land in Florida, etc.

Bottom line? A grown man who knows or should know better hit a glass in anger over the outcome of a high school football game. I don't care if he thought it was bulletproof glass, it was a stupid thing to do and people got hurt as a result. Yes they were apparently minor injuries, but there shouldn't have been any injuries at all. And it could have been a lot worse if a large pane of glass fell into the crowd.

There is nothing that lets him off the hook for it, especially not bullcrap excuses like the glass wasn't properly installed. Anytime a grown man, especially someone as big as Raetz, hits a piece of glass there's a real good chance it's going to break.

As for the friends of Raetz on here, I understand the position you're in, but frankly, no one who got hit by the glass really cares whether he was a good character guy for years, they only care about when he lost control of himself at that given moment. And I don't blame them.
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I didn't see the quote about 'thinking it was plexiglass...'

You're correct -- it shouldn't have happened; it was an accident, a very preventable one but an accident

Accidents are why safety glass was developed, initially for car accidents and then household use. No one intends to have a car accident or fall through a sliding glass door; those that have those accidents are grateful for safety glass.

Safety glass should have been installed --- damn hard to be injured from it
 
Since when does a press box NEED safety glass? For what? To prevent fans from getting hit by a coach who flies into a fit of rage? Yes, ISU should get right on that, so coaches can rage away.

Again, it's a total rationalization after the fact. The glass in the press box was fine for years and years until someone had a tantrum and broke it.

I'm not saying Raetz needs to be strung up, a public apology would do just fine, but blaming the design of the press box is just laughable.
 

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Most windows in houses are some form of safety glass these days right?????????? Dont be an idiot pomeroy...let it go...I have done stupid things and I am sure u have...he will apologize...trust me I know him but let your witch hunt go...
 
All I ask is a public apology, that hardly falls into the category, or within 10 miles, of a witch hunt.

And who are you to call me an idiot because I disagree with you?

Sorry your boy did something stupid, but he did, and all of the excuse-making about the caliber of the glass or how or why it happened doesn't make it right.
 
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