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This was called an offensive foul last night.
Holy shit that is definitely one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen.
I was at the Wynn heading to a show and the place went fucking nuts.
bent20
The Odum Level
To all the NBA haters, Larry Bird disagrees with you. Also have to think his career wouldn't have ended with so many back problems if he was playing in today's NBA.
From the article:
When Bird was playing, playing defense was completely different from today's, in terms of having more physicality and toughness, especially in the paint. There were many cheap shots and dirty plays that are now long gone from the NBA, and Bird believes that is an excellent thing because it allows players to have all the freedom they need to succeed.
On top of that, one of the biggest advantages Bird sees is the expansion of the three-point shot and how it changed the game in multiple ways. Back in the '80s, every single NBA team focused a lot of their offense playing from the post. That led to many players occupying the paint, so if you were driving to the basket, with the rules back then, you are sure getting put down on your back.
"Obviously, the three-point shot stretched out the court a little bit. I remember when we played, we were worried the middle was so clogged because we really wanted to pound it down inside all the time. Since the three-point line is being taken advantage of, it opened the court up; there is more space out there. Some of the players that have a lot of skill you can see their skill on a nightly basis. We never really worked on it. We didn't guard guys beyond the three-point line. We would stay way underneath, going under every pick. The corner shots and on the top of the key are the shots I liked to take."
From the article:
When Bird was playing, playing defense was completely different from today's, in terms of having more physicality and toughness, especially in the paint. There were many cheap shots and dirty plays that are now long gone from the NBA, and Bird believes that is an excellent thing because it allows players to have all the freedom they need to succeed.
On top of that, one of the biggest advantages Bird sees is the expansion of the three-point shot and how it changed the game in multiple ways. Back in the '80s, every single NBA team focused a lot of their offense playing from the post. That led to many players occupying the paint, so if you were driving to the basket, with the rules back then, you are sure getting put down on your back.
"Obviously, the three-point shot stretched out the court a little bit. I remember when we played, we were worried the middle was so clogged because we really wanted to pound it down inside all the time. Since the three-point line is being taken advantage of, it opened the court up; there is more space out there. Some of the players that have a lot of skill you can see their skill on a nightly basis. We never really worked on it. We didn't guard guys beyond the three-point line. We would stay way underneath, going under every pick. The corner shots and on the top of the key are the shots I liked to take."
Who cares what Larry Bird thinks? He's the perfect example and of the NBA "All about me" attitude. When is the last time he came back to ISU without the University throwing a big show for him? He doesn't even support the MVC and the league's POY trophy is named after him.
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niklz62
The JSW Level
do you think its possible...hear me out... that the NBA wants them to call this? Im not biased in this and I bitch about officiating, mostly because i wish we would get calls that make it look like we are on the benefiting end (whether we are or not).
also, officiating basketball is pretty fucking difficult.
I think it's obvious by how the league always sides with the referees that you're 100% correct.
I also don't disagree officiating is difficult, but there is little reason for any league not to have full time officials and analytics/grading in place to make sure poor officials aren't shuffled out the door and replaced. Same with the NFL, college hoops and football.
niklz62
The JSW Level
I dont watch enough NBA to know...are the full time officials in the NBA better than the part time officials in the NFL?
Not sure you can make any sort of determination who is better. I will say I don't think the officiating in the NBA is awful. Most games flow pretty well but there are are certain crews that should not ref certain team/players games because they are not impartial. I do know the NBA refs are graded, but the biggest issue is it's done in house by the NBA so the analytics and transparency does not exist.
IMO the way to do it is have a third party organization founded in cooperation with the league and individual teams. Then have the algorithm open source and the data publicly available. The NBA officials are now making between $200-600k/year so you know there would be a ton of people lined up for those spots and willing to call the game by the letter of the law. I think you would find that most refs would be fine and it would be the 90/10 rule like normal -- 10% of the refs are likely the ones causing 90% of the issues. Also, the age of some of these refs make you wonder if they're capable of keeping up split second action since reaction time decreases as we age AKA get rid of lifers. Dickie B was in his late 60s/early 70s before he retired a few years back. He also had like 20 falls over his last couple years running the floor.
College refs age and physical condition are even worse.
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bent20
The Odum Level
I don't know what I was thinking. Still considered one of the top five best all-time basketball players, played for our school. Can't imagine why his opinion would matter here, even when he's basically endorsing our new style of play in his praise of the NBA.
In all seriousness, I don't think he was an all about me player by a longshot. And not sure what more you want him to do for the school and the MVC. If the school isn't doing a "big show" for him, how would you even know if he's been back?