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With the exceptionof a walk-on athletes; ALL scholarship athletes ARE paid.
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a scholarship is merely the fee an institutional owner pays for a slave. after that they are free to exploit him. a scholarship puts no money in the slave's pocket; its the master putting it back in his own pocket
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IndianaState45
The All-MVC Level
Your argument is flawed. In actual slavery the slaves do not receive payment....another owner does. NCAA athletes receive a useful good for their efforts. Free or discounted education which can be later used to improve one's financial status. If anything your argument supports indentured servitude (sp?)
If they live off campus THEY DO GET MONEY...and those scholarships as has been pointed out to you before are not free...
niklz62
The JSW Level
Do they get more money than what the school would charge them for housing and meal ticket?
WHY would they get MORE than the housing and meal plan amount?
Wouldn't THAT be a violation?
Ever wonder why so many athletes live off-campus together? It's cause they get that MAX amount that the housing & meal plan costs BUT they can spend it as they wish. Live cheap and they pocket the difference; they also qualify for PELL GRANTS and PERKINS LOANS (as do many student-students)
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they sure ain't (provided you are renewed for an additional three years) you must pay for them with four years of uncompensated labor.
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notie how slick the ncaa and its smarmy lawyers are; do these guidelines apply to non-scholarship or scholarship athlete-"students" or both? D-I, D-II or D-III. Can't tell can youexcept in the case of D-1 Opportunity fund
Can student-athletes receive other non-athletic financial aid?
Yes. Thousands of student-athletes benefit from academic scholarships, NCAA financial aid programs such as the NCAA Division I Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund and noninstitutional need-based aid such as Federal Pell Grants. Student-athletes and parents should check with their athletics
department or college financial aid office regarding permissible sources of financial aid.
Sigh...
There is a maximum amount that a FULL Athletic Scholarship can reach, dictated by the NCAA; it varies state to state and it's calculated by comparing public institutions with private institutions WITHIN that state. (*See Below)
The NCAA President has stated (a number of times) that the NCAA is/will look at increasing that amount.
Dr Bradley, ISU President, has already made commitment to FULLY-FUNDING all FULL Athletic Scholarships. http://tribstar.com/isu/x975851692/ISU-removes-scholarship-limits
* Now, that all being said; let's look at the numbers. For an INDIANA kid to attend ISU, it will run ~$13,964.60/semester or $27,929.20/year. For an Out-of-State kid, it will run ~$18,576.60/semester or $37,153.20/year. Both of those are on the low side; the variables are standard housing in Sycamore Towers with the slightest of meal plan increases. The lab fees run from a low of $10/course to $1000/course -- it DEPENDS on what the kid studies.
Bumping up to 'premium' housing (Burford/Pickerl/Hines/Jones/Sandison Halls) and the max meal plan will bump up the costs to ~$16,908.00/semester or ~$33,816.00/year for In-State and ~$21,520.00/semester or ~$43,040.00/year.
At Univ Evansville, a private institution and conference rival; the costs are $19,170.00/semster or ~$20,430.00/year for 'standard' housing and ~$38,340.00/semster or ~$40,860.00/year.
So, per NCAA regulations; a FULL ATHLETIC Scholarship within the state of Indiana will run between $27,929.20 and $33,816.00/year. (Books are included) Actually the window is probably larger but the NCAA strives to ensure that the private schools cannot use their (at times) higher costs and larger endowments to SWAY athletes to attend a private school. AND they strive to do this across the nation; bottom line, they don't want Stanford to get a kid over Univ Southern Mississippi SIMPLY because Stanford can offer them a LARGER $$$ amount for athletic scholarships.
Now if an ISU Athlete can (dictated by Coach and Athl Dept?) and does live off campus; he or she will receive ~$9,873.60 to $11,917.00 for room and board. (See sites for rates). Now, should that athlete CHOOSE to live in a pup tent in Deming Park; they CAN pocket the $$, can they not? Should they CHOOSE to live on Pop-Tarts and Ramen Noodles, they can (and pocket the difference.) What WILL not, CAN not occur is receiving $25,000 per semester in room and board costs (because it only costs State $9,873.60 to $11,917.00 to house and feed them)
You asked about add'l scholarships; at ISU they limit how much your TOTAL ISU Grant and SCHOLARSHIPS can be; i.e. you're not going to receive $75,000 FROM ISU to attend (why should you? It only runs ~$26,000 a year)
Now, if your the recipient of a GREAT scholarship package from OUTSIDE ISU sources; good for you; it will likely affect the amount of financial aid FROM ISU.
The Eitel Twins are a great example for us to study. They're out of state students (from an Illinois county that receives the ISU-directed tuition plan...) But they're walk-ons athletes; BECAUSE they are good students, they are both receiving ISU ACADEMIC scholarships; Lucas is one of the TWENTY ISU Presidential Scholars; that award is worth $17,000 per year; renewable for three ADDITIONAL Years. (See story here: http://www.indstate.edu/scholarships/president/2009.htm
Logan is one 53 University Honors Scholars; that award is worth $4,500 per year; ALSO renewable for three ADDITIONAL Years (See Logan's story here: http://www.indstate.edu/news/news.php?newsid=1826
Now, do their academic scholarships COVER their FULL COST of attending ISU? I don't know; probably not. BUT that's when they can apply for PELL GRANTS, PERKINS LOANS, work if they choose.
At the end of the day, Logan and Lucas WANTED to be AT ISU. They turned down Div II and NAIA scholarships to attend ISU; was it because they felt they could/would receive some VERY nice ACADEMIC Scholarships? I don't know and I don't care; MANY, MANY other universities use this practice (including the vaunted Ivy League); it's accepted by the NCAA and the Universities.
I've been very clear in my arguments; you have not.
Scholarship athletes (many WALK-ONs) are not now, nor have they EVERY been subjected to ANYTHING REMOTELY similar to the conditions of slavery (or indentured servitude). Sarcasm aside (and you weren't being sarcastic); you need to withdraw your groundless claim and apologize to all of the athletes.
:sycamores: Go Trees!! Thump the Penguins!! :sycamores:
There is a maximum amount that a FULL Athletic Scholarship can reach, dictated by the NCAA; it varies state to state and it's calculated by comparing public institutions with private institutions WITHIN that state. (*See Below)
The NCAA President has stated (a number of times) that the NCAA is/will look at increasing that amount.
Dr Bradley, ISU President, has already made commitment to FULLY-FUNDING all FULL Athletic Scholarships. http://tribstar.com/isu/x975851692/ISU-removes-scholarship-limits
* Now, that all being said; let's look at the numbers. For an INDIANA kid to attend ISU, it will run ~$13,964.60/semester or $27,929.20/year. For an Out-of-State kid, it will run ~$18,576.60/semester or $37,153.20/year. Both of those are on the low side; the variables are standard housing in Sycamore Towers with the slightest of meal plan increases. The lab fees run from a low of $10/course to $1000/course -- it DEPENDS on what the kid studies.
Bumping up to 'premium' housing (Burford/Pickerl/Hines/Jones/Sandison Halls) and the max meal plan will bump up the costs to ~$16,908.00/semester or ~$33,816.00/year for In-State and ~$21,520.00/semester or ~$43,040.00/year.
At Univ Evansville, a private institution and conference rival; the costs are $19,170.00/semster or ~$20,430.00/year for 'standard' housing and ~$38,340.00/semster or ~$40,860.00/year.
So, per NCAA regulations; a FULL ATHLETIC Scholarship within the state of Indiana will run between $27,929.20 and $33,816.00/year. (Books are included) Actually the window is probably larger but the NCAA strives to ensure that the private schools cannot use their (at times) higher costs and larger endowments to SWAY athletes to attend a private school. AND they strive to do this across the nation; bottom line, they don't want Stanford to get a kid over Univ Southern Mississippi SIMPLY because Stanford can offer them a LARGER $$$ amount for athletic scholarships.
Now if an ISU Athlete can (dictated by Coach and Athl Dept?) and does live off campus; he or she will receive ~$9,873.60 to $11,917.00 for room and board. (See sites for rates). Now, should that athlete CHOOSE to live in a pup tent in Deming Park; they CAN pocket the $$, can they not? Should they CHOOSE to live on Pop-Tarts and Ramen Noodles, they can (and pocket the difference.) What WILL not, CAN not occur is receiving $25,000 per semester in room and board costs (because it only costs State $9,873.60 to $11,917.00 to house and feed them)
You asked about add'l scholarships; at ISU they limit how much your TOTAL ISU Grant and SCHOLARSHIPS can be; i.e. you're not going to receive $75,000 FROM ISU to attend (why should you? It only runs ~$26,000 a year)
Now, if your the recipient of a GREAT scholarship package from OUTSIDE ISU sources; good for you; it will likely affect the amount of financial aid FROM ISU.
The Eitel Twins are a great example for us to study. They're out of state students (from an Illinois county that receives the ISU-directed tuition plan...) But they're walk-ons athletes; BECAUSE they are good students, they are both receiving ISU ACADEMIC scholarships; Lucas is one of the TWENTY ISU Presidential Scholars; that award is worth $17,000 per year; renewable for three ADDITIONAL Years. (See story here: http://www.indstate.edu/scholarships/president/2009.htm
Logan is one 53 University Honors Scholars; that award is worth $4,500 per year; ALSO renewable for three ADDITIONAL Years (See Logan's story here: http://www.indstate.edu/news/news.php?newsid=1826
Now, do their academic scholarships COVER their FULL COST of attending ISU? I don't know; probably not. BUT that's when they can apply for PELL GRANTS, PERKINS LOANS, work if they choose.
At the end of the day, Logan and Lucas WANTED to be AT ISU. They turned down Div II and NAIA scholarships to attend ISU; was it because they felt they could/would receive some VERY nice ACADEMIC Scholarships? I don't know and I don't care; MANY, MANY other universities use this practice (including the vaunted Ivy League); it's accepted by the NCAA and the Universities.
I've been very clear in my arguments; you have not.
Scholarship athletes (many WALK-ONs) are not now, nor have they EVERY been subjected to ANYTHING REMOTELY similar to the conditions of slavery (or indentured servitude). Sarcasm aside (and you weren't being sarcastic); you need to withdraw your groundless claim and apologize to all of the athletes.
:sycamores: Go Trees!! Thump the Penguins!! :sycamores:
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Some of your numbers don't match reality. I know for fact that the off campus stipend is only $600 per month for Sept - April and if my math is correct that is $4800 for the year. Books are only paid at $400 per year. They are required to turn in books that were paid out of that $400 at the end of semister and they are given a $100 credit toward second semester. This money must be used at the bookstore so no discount hunting. And he (son) is on a full athletic scholarship. As you can see their books are in reality not covered. And from their stipend they really don't have enough to pay rent, food and utilities. I know because I pay the difference. But as someone has said these guys would come to school and pay what ever to play the sport.
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I pulled all of the numbers from the ISU and UE websites. If the off-campus stipend is only $400 a month, why not live ON campus? You could still pop for the single room and the increased meal plan? Oh, your son and family is making that CHOICE. Don't misunderstand; I get why kids want to live off campus, and for the athletes, it's also understandable. However, they are making a choice. Life is all about choices and sometimes the ones you make today affect your future choices.
IF the BCS schools hadn't
it up for everybody; colleges could probably still maintain athletic dorms but after the coke ring being run by the STARTING QB at Okla... (and the palaces that SOME schools had...) it wasn't surprising that they were shut down.Agree with you on the kids' desire; I have yet to meet the kid who was FORCED into college athletics. (Personnally, know several at the High School and lower level...)
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dr. bucket
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adios
There are more issues involved other than a choice as to where they live.I pulled all of the numbers from the ISU and UE websites. If the off-campus stipend is only $400 a month, why not live ON campus? You could still pop for the single room and the increased meal plan? Oh, your son and family is making that CHOICE. Don't misunderstand; I get why kids want to live off campus, and for the athletes, it's also understandable. However, they are making a choice. Life is all about choices and sometimes the ones you make today affect your future choices.
IF the BCS schools hadn't
Agree with you on the kids' desire; I have yet to meet the kid who was FORCED into college athletics. (Personnally, know several at the High School and lower level...)
Does this mean you are leaving?
No doubt. My point is that IF a kid CHOOSES to live off-campus, it has implications; some financially...
I had a HIGHER standard living by living ON campus. The apts near ISU were pits / fire traps / flea bag-like / not as nice as the dorms... And I ate better too.
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I have a daughter who has just started college and a son who may be lucky enough to get help from a d1 or d2 school for PLAYING football. I can't pay for them to go . They are going to have to get loans; loans that will run into the 10's of thousands of dollars.If my son is LUCKY ENOUGH to receive finacal help for PLAYING football he will gladly take it.He is not being forced to play.Ninety % of D1 football programs operate in the red. The difference comes from kids and suckers like me. Paying players will increase that amount to suckers like me and my kids.This idea of paying players either comes from people that don't pay for school (state aid)or wealthy enough that it doesn't matter.
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dr. bucket
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"Unfortunately for these people, paying college athletes is now a subject on the table, and it's not going to come off. Consequently, what these critics need to do, will do and have already done, is shift their tactics opposing the payment of athletes to convincing everyone else that college athletes are already being paid. This is nothing new; simultaneously adopting two contradictory conclusions has always lain at the heart of disingenuously championing amateurism. ... That said, concluding that athletes are already satisfactorily compensated merely superimposes the large flaws of the system on three already flawed conditions."
more here:
http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/09/scholarships-and-compensation.html
and here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2752351110850.html?mod=WSJ_hps_editorsPicks_1
more here:
http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/09/scholarships-and-compensation.html
and here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2752351110850.html?mod=WSJ_hps_editorsPicks_1
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dr. bucket
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and here"
Pimps, Overseers and the NCAA: Time to Change the Tune of This Song
http://boycewatkins.wordpress.com/2...-compensation-and-no-help-for-their-families/
Pimps, Overseers and the NCAA: Time to Change the Tune of This Song
http://boycewatkins.wordpress.com/2...-compensation-and-no-help-for-their-families/
dr. bucket, by any chance are you a member of the ACLU?