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anyone know how our secret scrimmage went today in Indy vs SEMO?
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Secret Scrimmage vs SEMO
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Todd Golden twitter stated ISU won but had no details.
The OVC hasn't released their official poll yet, but the media voted this past week and SEMO was picked last. Hopefully the game wasn't close.
I would have to imagine Cooper Neese was one of them.
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Christian Williams as the leading scorer? That's interesting. I'm sure we played everyone, so you never know in terms of minutes, but it's still good to see Williams putting up points. When he's motivated, he can be force.
I'm curious who didn't play?
I'm guessing Hankins and Brinkmeyer didn't play based on the fact they haven't been practicing, or present at all in Brinkmeyer's case.
It's a scrimmage, so I assume everyone in uniform got plenty of minutes. No need to play Tyreke 40 minutes in a meaningless game.
I'm also curious about Williams' position. We have so many options at the 1-3 spots, and he might be our best 4.
Good to hear - Williams is capable and he's got experience obviously. I need Williams to WANT to be a shut down defender and not take possessions off - because that dude can play D when he wants to play. I know he can score - I don't need him to score on this team. I need him to be a shutdown defender that can score if and only if we need him to score in a given game or a given pos. That guy is too athletic and long not to be able to get some blocks and steals that result in transition points at the other end.
I highly doubt you will ever talk about Neese or Key or Barnes D before you talk about what they can do on O. We haven't had a guy in awhile that we rave about what they bring to the table as a defender - this needs to be the year that changes. Someone on that roster has to take D personally. I always thought that Manny Arop took D personally - he wasn't the best defender on the floor but he always got after. Aaron Carter was FAR from the most athletic or best defender - but he competed hard on that end of the floor to be able to stay in the game. You can't suck on D - especially if your talent suggest you should be above average at that aspect of the game.
For instance - if a guy like Washington wants to see the floor that dude is going to have to become one hell of a defensive/rebounding/dog type of player or he's going to find himself out of options... Williams might find himself in a similar boat - only thing he has going for him is experience and a higher ceiling on O.
Rant over. Play flipping D.
I highly doubt you will ever talk about Neese or Key or Barnes D before you talk about what they can do on O. We haven't had a guy in awhile that we rave about what they bring to the table as a defender - this needs to be the year that changes. Someone on that roster has to take D personally. I always thought that Manny Arop took D personally - he wasn't the best defender on the floor but he always got after. Aaron Carter was FAR from the most athletic or best defender - but he competed hard on that end of the floor to be able to stay in the game. You can't suck on D - especially if your talent suggest you should be above average at that aspect of the game.
For instance - if a guy like Washington wants to see the floor that dude is going to have to become one hell of a defensive/rebounding/dog type of player or he's going to find himself out of options... Williams might find himself in a similar boat - only thing he has going for him is experience and a higher ceiling on O.
Rant over. Play flipping D.
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I didn't score but I used ALL of my fouls.
Taking points away from the other team just as important as putting them in for your team - if not more so. The teams that understand that are the teams that win in January, February and March when it starts to matter. You can win early with good O - you aint alwahs going to have a good O night better find other ways to contribute and that shit is infectious.
We rarely have good O nights.
My comment was more so building off of yours. I'd love for just once that opponents not treat us like a fucking layup line. Just one of our bigs watch film of Myles and then treat the paint like sacred ground. Knock a motherfuckers head off at the rim. Set the tone that that shit isn't going to be free, cheap and easy like it has been for the last decade.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a few better-late-than-never tidbits on ISU's secret scrimmage against SEMO last Saturday. ISU won 81-65 and never trailed. Sycamores shot 50%, allowed SEMO to shoot 42.9%.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136282717278211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Christian Williams led ISU with 16 points, making 5 of 6. Tre Williams (11), Jordan Barnes (11), Cooper Neese (10) and Cobie Barnes (10) all reached double figures. Starting five was T. Williams, J. Barnes, Neese, Tyreke Key & Jake LaRavia, who got dinged up & barely played.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136284969582594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The good? Varied scoring. Five assists from Cam Bacote. ISU won the boards 40-31. Chris Agbo had four rebounds in nine minutes. C. Barnes was 4-for-8 with 6 rebounds.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136286253109248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The not-so-good? ISU had 21 turnovers (Tyreke Key had six) and SEMO attempted 37 free throws, missing 17 of them. SEMO shot over 40% in both halves, although it never had a scoring run longer than five points. Of course, LaRavia's early exit was unexpected.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136287603597312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The weird? ISU had three technical fouls. Sycamores had 28 fouls called on them overall. ISU has another secret scrimmage against Murray State at USI on Sunday.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136288849387522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Christian Williams led ISU with 16 points, making 5 of 6. Tre Williams (11), Jordan Barnes (11), Cooper Neese (10) and Cobie Barnes (10) all reached double figures. Starting five was T. Williams, J. Barnes, Neese, Tyreke Key & Jake LaRavia, who got dinged up & barely played.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136284969582594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The good? Varied scoring. Five assists from Cam Bacote. ISU won the boards 40-31. Chris Agbo had four rebounds in nine minutes. C. Barnes was 4-for-8 with 6 rebounds.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136286253109248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The not-so-good? ISU had 21 turnovers (Tyreke Key had six) and SEMO attempted 37 free throws, missing 17 of them. SEMO shot over 40% in both halves, although it never had a scoring run longer than five points. Of course, LaRavia's early exit was unexpected.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136287603597312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The weird? ISU had three technical fouls. Sycamores had 28 fouls called on them overall. ISU has another secret scrimmage against Murray State at USI on Sunday.</p>— Todd Aaron Golden (@TribStarTodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/TribStarTodd/status/1187136288849387522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2019</a></blockquote>
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One of the techs was early on Agbo I can confirm that.
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The Murray State scrimmage will be a good test for us leading up to Dayton. SEMO was officially picked 11th (out of 12) in the OVC, while the Racers were picked 2nd. Even with the loss of Morant and Buchanan (OVC defensive poy), Murray State should still be really good this year. Tevin Brown can light it up from 3 and Cowart (their big man) is also a decent player. Both made the preseason-OVC team. Hopefully we can guard them well and not let them just score at will. This scrimmage should give us a better view of where we are at. Murray St would be a MVC contender if they were in the conference.
Hhhhmm...that starting 5 is interesting. I doubt we can read too much into it, but starting two freshman in the front court is still interesting. It's where we're weakest on paper, so it makes sense that Lansing may be trying to shake things up at the 4 and 5.
Also, clearly defense is still an issue. We're destined for Thursday if we can't find a way to be middle of the pack in the league defensively.
Also, clearly defense is still an issue. We're destined for Thursday if we can't find a way to be middle of the pack in the league defensively.
That doesn’t surprise me. He seems to get a little chippy. Could get interesting.
Defense seems to be a priority in practice