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That would be a hard case to win if you're going by public statements because Coach Sanford and the school were very careful with everything they said about the situation. That's what they have to do, even though fans here were complaining and wanting to know why the program has to be so "secretive."

I don't know the context of this conversation since I wasn't listening, but it's easy to say you're going to file a lawsuit. Until you actually do and provide some evidence it doesn't really warrant a "Wow." A true wow moment would be if the Indystar started dedicating a reporter to Indiana State like they do Pointer, their "Butler insider."
 
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What dont he sue his agent to? Does he think he is the only one that never got a fair shake in the NFL? Why dont he sue the NFL also for not giving him a chance. In a way I feel for him but what happen happen. Best of luck to him but he dont need to be giving the program another black eye. We have had way beyond our fair share of them.
 

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Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought that it was Shakir that broke the news on twitter that he had been dismissed from the team and it was ISU that told him to take it down. The only thing I remember coming from the school was that he had sustained a season ending injury. Now I admit there were plenty of rumors floating around but they were just that rumors, nothing substantiated. Life is nothing but a series of decisions, each of decisions carry consequences some good some bad Mr. Bell needs to step up and take responsibility for his decisions he made at ISU.
 
Incredible ! Lets see now ...................Bell misses the first half of the Penn State game because HE screwed up ...................he misses the final game of the season his Junior year because HE screwed up (and probably cost us a playoff bid) ................he is probably the most exciting and talented player ever at ISU and is attracting national attention and maybe a real shot at the NFL and manages to again screw up (whatever he did -- he did something pretty bad -- doubtful the coaching staff just made up an excuse to get rid of him).
Now, he gets a shot in the CFL and makes headlines with his talent and again attracts NFL attention ...................and then promptly shoots himself in the foot AGAIN !
Has anyone ever mentioned to Bell that a major component of the NFL Combine/Draft is looking at a player's emotional make-up and their character ? ? ? Teams repeatedly pass over players with talent who they fear will present major problems on their teams. Bell seems to be smart enough, yet he's an idiot when it comes to continually blowing his chance to grow up and stop making really stupid decisions. What NFL coach/exec is sitting in his office today saying I want this guy on my team -- he'll be great in the locker room.
Really...... REALLY sad .......................
 
Very true. NFL teams hear/know everything, including what was said in a radio interview. I'm still surprised he never even got a camp invite from an NFL team. That tells you the knock on him, at least in the eyes of NFL execs, was more than just his issues at ISU.
 
Westbadenboy said:
he misses the final game of the season his Junior year because HE screwed up (and probably cost us a playoff bid) ................
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UMMMM?? We wouldn't have even been in that position in the first place without him so it's all relative. You say he cost us a playoff bid and I say he got us in the position for a playoff bid in the first place.

He is going to have a hard time winning any lawsuit or anything to that effect but I am not bitter towards him about it. Oh well, I say do what you need to do. I aint about to get real passionate about this issue until I know the real story and the facts. The last I checked, no one on here had any real clear idea what the hell went on with Bell and how is career ended. So I find it really interested that folks are so quick to jump to conclusions - but again, oh well.
 
This is so fxxxing ridiculous, it's beyond absurd. And defamation? Really? How would anyone know about ANY defamation, when the whole SHAKIR BELL dismissal has been TOP SECRET.

We aren't talking....about being just Read-In on what happened, or Confidential, or a Need-To-Know, or Secret...we are talking, no one knows jack-squat why SB, now forever known in my books as BS....was dismissed.

HIS DISMISSALL WAS, TOP SECRET!!!

For him to say he was defamed, I will now say, I'm Six Foot Tall.

IMO, why BS was dismissed from the team all centers around when he went out of the game, against INDIANA, and the alleged shoulder injury...which IMO was all SB.

BS....created an injury, that did NOT exist...and Sanford, the coaching staff, and especially the Trainers.....said Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...THERE IS NOT A SHOULDER INJURY WITH THIS GUY, HE IS FINE.

SB created the fake shoulder injury because he did not want to keep playing, in a game that was a TOTAL LOSS.

That was NOT for him to decide...his duty was to play to the best of his ability in the INDIANA game, and that was it. Period.

He had and obligation to the Leadership of the coaching staff, and the leadership of the university,...and eventually the taxpayers of the state of Indiana, and it legislators.

HEY BS, I'm calling SB...on the defame, and your dis-respect to all of those who pay state taxes, and those who support Indiana State University.
 

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Gotta Hav said:
This is so fxxxing ridiculous, it's beyond absurd. And defamation? Really? How would anyone know about ANY defamation, when the whole SHAKIR BELL dismissal has been TOP SECRET.

We aren't talking....about being just Read-In on what happened, or Confidential, or a Need-To-Know, or Secret...we are talking, no one knows jack-squat why SB, now forever known in my books as BS....was dismissed.

HIS DISMISSALL WAS, TOP SECRET!!!

For him to say he was defamed, I will now say, I'm Six Foot Tall.

IMO, why BS was dismissed from the team all centers around when he went out of the game, against INDIANA, and the alleged shoulder injury...which IMO was all SB.

BS....created an injury, that did NOT exist...and Sanford, the coaching staff, and especially the Trainers.....said Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...THERE IS NOT A SHOULDER INJURY WITH THIS GUY, HE IS FINE.

SB created the fake shoulder injury because he did not want to keep playing, in a game that was a TOTAL LOSS.

That was NOT for him to decide...his duty was to play to the best of his ability in the INDIANA game, and that was it. Period.

He had and obligation to the Leadership of the coaching staff, and the leadership of the university,...and eventually the taxpayers of the state of Indiana, and it legislators.

HEY BS, I'm calling SB...on the defame, and your dis-respect to all of those who pay state taxes, and those who support Indiana State University.
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also this doesnt seem well thought out for SB to sue the state of Indiana
 
SSOM -- the point is not that he was talented and yes he did get ISU to the point of a possible playoff bid ..............the point is his maturity, character, and decision making -- he did something stupid the week before his last Junior year game -- a game that could have helped showcase his talent and lead to more expousure for him and yet he chose to do something stupid and get suspended.
There is a real pattern with this guy that keeps repeating itself. Coaches do not look for excuses to discipline the best player on the team, maybe the best player in school history. Hell, they often put up too long with crap from a player like that.
So whatever he did in any of the years at ISU it shows a repeated pattern of idiotic actions, often in crucial situations. And here he is again, playing well -- getting attention -- looking like he might be able to really play in the NFL ................and then .............he goes on widely heard radio and says he is going to sue ISU ? ? ?
I'm sure the folks over on 56th street in Indy are thinking what I'm saying ..............what the Hell is wrong with this guy ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
 
Westbadenboy said:
SSOM -- the point is not that he was talented and yes he did get ISU to the point of a possible playoff bid ..............the point is his maturity, character, and decision making -- he did something stupid the week before his last Junior year game -- a game that could have helped showcase his talent and lead to more expousure for him and yet he chose to do something stupid and get suspended.
There is a real pattern with this guy that keeps repeating itself. Coaches do not look for excuses to discipline the best player on the team, maybe the best player in school history. Hell, they often put up too long with crap from a player like that.
So whatever he did in any of the years at ISU it shows a repeated pattern of idiotic actions, often in crucial situations. And here he is again, playing well -- getting attention -- looking like he might be able to really play in the NFL ................and then .............he goes on widely heard radio and says he is going to sue ISU ? ? ?
I'm sure the folks over on 56th street in Indy are thinking what I'm saying ..............what the Hell is wrong with this guy ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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And given all of the things you mentioned you really think people are going to take Bell that seriously? Like really?

I am surprised he is taking this much heat over it. But then again, I am often reminded that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Like... you all are not surprised by this but are acting freaking surprised? I don't understand that at all.

Not only that, you're acting like he is some terrible person that should crawl in a hole and die. He made mistakes - maybe you all have never made mistakes?? He wouldn't be the first person in the world not to own his mistakes and pawn them off on someone or something else. It would appear that he is doing this and has done this from the day he was dismissed from Indiana State. I've not seen a comment from him where he takes much in the way of responsability for anything that took place.

Here is the only thing I know, his dismissal from ISU (as Gotta mentioned) was largely covered up. It could have been a multitude of reasons that lead to him being dismissed. However, until someone can tell me what exactly those things are I am going to give Bell the benefit of the doubt. Again, I don't see anyone running to SPride to spill the beans because no one on here knows exactly what happened or they are not sharing. I'm just not rushing to pass judgement against him and I'm not at all outraged by it because I really don't think it is that big of a deal. He has waited nearly 3 years to publicly delcare he is filing a law suit - I get it, that seems really outrageous.

Fact of the matter is, pro athletes - college athletes - non athletes - humans make mistakes every single day. Some people like to run to the internet and slander those people, some people enjoy watching them fail, some people enjoy pointing out flaws or mistakes that have already been exposed. I don't enjoy that, I don't get off on that and I hate to see it. We are not talking about evaluating a player as a player - once we start evaluating people and the character that they display I feel like we should probably have all the information possible about that person and who they are as a person before we rush to the internet and pass judgement.

That is my point and I really don't care about any other points being made in this thread.
 
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2 more cents. Ever since my kid started playing on teams I got to know, just a little bit, the parents of the teammates on his teams. When my son came to Indiana State I did the same thing I had done for more than a decade, rightly or wrongly, I came to basic conclusions about parents et al. It is my opinion that SB's friends and family, as his Junior year ended, were expecting and depending upon SB to go pro. When Miles departed, I thought SB entering the draft was a 'for sure' thing. At that time there was no doubt in my mind that promises were made to SB, ensuring him getting even further showcased for him to stay. Was it promises that were made that were untrue or unrealistic by the new staff or was it SB's perception/interpretation of what was said? I don't know. But it is pretty clear SB believes he had a chance to go pro and make some money after his junior year, he stayed because of the promises made because he thought he would make more money if the promises were true and he performed during his senior year and, long story short, due to a combination of broken promises/SB's marginal performance/the mysterious nature of his departure from the team SB did not make a dime as a professional football player his 1st season after his senior year.

Did the current staff bad-mouth him, break the law, intentionally mislead him, etc.? Who knows. I agree with SSOM . SB's probably making some misjudgments here, but frankly, I too am surprised it is getting this much play on SP. He's just one more guy in a civil court, believing the law in his case will allow him to feel better and make the money he feels he was deprived of because of the current staff's broken promises and what he believes is defamation.

I guess at some point we'll all find out.
 
All of this is moot, because he wasn't going to play in the NFL. That was a pipe dream. Good RB's that are faster than him are a dime a dozen.
 

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This will go absolutely NOWHERE. One can say they are going to sue another party all they want, but to actually do it and be successful are two completely different things. He has almost zero basis for a lawsuit, and he has to prove a financial loss in order to do so. That means he has to PROVE that he lost revenue/pay because of his defamed character at the hands of ISU, which will be nearly impossible to do.

Also, if he doesn't think that NFL scouts and talent evaluators won't notice this he's insane. He already has red flags working against him, and this will just be another one on the list.
 
FWIW, I'm not bashing Shakir. I'm still pulling for him to make a big enough splash in the CFL to get a shot with an NFL team, but I agree that comments like this can only hurt him going forward. Just keep it to yourself. I also agree that he faced long odds of getting drafted. Teams didn't pass on inviting him to an NFL camp because of any off the field issues. At that point, you have little to nothing to lose in bringing a guy in at this time of year (early August when rosters are bloated with guys who'll be cut). Be it injuries, physical limitations, false perceptions, whatever they were, I don't see where Bell was going to be drafted. I'm surprised by that because I certainly thought he was good enough, but I don't believe his dismissal from the team and any alleged "defamation" was the only reason he didn't get a shot.
 
bent20 said:
FWIW, I'm not bashing Shakir. I'm still pulling for him to make a big enough splash in the CFL to get a shot with an NFL team, but I agree that comments like this can only hurt him going forward. Just keep it to yourself. I also agree that he faced long odds of getting drafted. Teams didn't pass on inviting him to an NFL camp because of any off the field issues. At that point, you have little to nothing to lose in bringing a guy in at this time of year (early August when rosters are bloated with guys who'll be cut). Be it injuries, physical limitations, false perceptions, whatever they were, I don't see where Bell was going to be drafted. I'm surprised by that because I certainly thought he was good enough, but I don't believe his dismissal from the team and any alleged "defamation" was the only reason he didn't get a shot.
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Bottom line, in my opinion, leaving/quitting your team, especially in your senior year, is what ultimately sealed his fate. NFL teams don't tolerate quitting. Period. Never have, never will. So Bent, maybe I slightly disagree with you on whether or not it affected his chances to get a look from some teams, but in my mind, he has no one to blame but himself. I totally agree that you can't "defame" someone by being silent on just what happened. The school handled all of this pretty damn well obviously to minimize his situation, at least I think that is true. Shakir apparently continues to get bad advice and the end result, is that he is playing for the Eskimos (or until he screws that up too)~
 
Bally #47 said:
Shakir apparently continues to get bad advice and the end result, is that he is playing for the Eskimos (or until he screws that up too)~
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Who is to say he already hasn't??

You really think he was put on the practice squad after training camp and now starting by sheer coincidence? I mean honestly? Until you all have all the facts or can actually look at things objectively then why even bother commenting? I mean, giving this situation this much attention is really just not warranted. I agree, he likely made his own bed in this situation. If he does file a law suit let it play out in court and let the legal system sort it out. At the end of the day, none of us have heard his side of the story - he is a human and has the right to tell his side of the story no matter how ridiculous it must seem to us.

I realize we live in a country where we just avoid due process with regard to any law these days. But I aint gonna allow ya'all to continue to ignore it on here.
 
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