bent20
The Odum Level
Might go down as one of the most lopsided NCAA college basketball championships ever. I hope this isn't what NCAA basketball is going to become - one team that dominates with one and done stars each year.
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The NBA just has to change that rule. They are ruining the college game.
I don't ordinarily quote Mr. Knight, but he says those guys don't have to go to class in the spring semester. I would like to substantiate that if someone out there knows the rules.
Yeah, there need to be a couple things done IMO.
First, as mentioned, the NBA needs to rescind the two rules they have in place that 1) all drafted players must be at least 19 years old during the calendar year of the draft and 2) they must be at least one year removed from the graduation of his high school class. The NBA is using college hoops as a minor league system. IMO, they should bear the burden and develop their D-League system better and use that to develop talent -- some kids just aren't meant to go to college.
Further, if a kid can sign up for the Army and patrol Pakistan at 18, if he is deemed worthy of being drafted, let him go pro. I also don't want any nonsense about kids making bad decisions. People make bad decisions every day -- not just high school kids. If they want to risk it and go pro and then don't get drafted, they can go to college as a traditional student or join the work force. It's worked for many years in tennis, golf, baseball, etc.
With regards to college, I think the NCAA needs to do a couple things.
1) If a player decides to go to college, he's there for 3 years like the NFL. I think there are statistics that show that many college football players end up graduating in 3 years because they're on campus during the Summer because of the off-season programs they're involved with. I think you could see similar trends happen in hoops and the ultimate goal would to have kids graduate.
2) Scholarships change from 1 year to 4 years guaranteed. There needs to be a weeding out of slime balls in the coaching ranks and I think this is one way to do it. Unless a kid doesn't make it academically or violates school rules/conduct/etc, they're guaranteed a degree if they put forth the work. If they wish to transfer, then they can follow the current transfer rules.
3) Infractions need to follow coaches. The fact that a coach can get to a program, cheat his ass off and then scoot before the infractions hit is ridiculous. If a coach is found guilty of breaking major rules, it follows them -- from the head coach to the assistants, whoever is named in the documents. Scarlet letter those assholes. I also think there needs to be a three strikes and you're forever banned policy, too.
Alright, I'm done ranting, but I think there needs to be some major things done to reign in programs like Kentucky and coaches like Calipari.
First, as mentioned, the NBA needs to rescind the two rules they have in place that 1) all drafted players must be at least 19 years old during the calendar year of the draft and 2) they must be at least one year removed from the graduation of his high school class. The NBA is using college hoops as a minor league system. IMO, they should bear the burden and develop their D-League system better and use that to develop talent -- some kids just aren't meant to go to college.
Further, if a kid can sign up for the Army and patrol Pakistan at 18, if he is deemed worthy of being drafted, let him go pro. I also don't want any nonsense about kids making bad decisions. People make bad decisions every day -- not just high school kids. If they want to risk it and go pro and then don't get drafted, they can go to college as a traditional student or join the work force. It's worked for many years in tennis, golf, baseball, etc.
With regards to college, I think the NCAA needs to do a couple things.
1) If a player decides to go to college, he's there for 3 years like the NFL. I think there are statistics that show that many college football players end up graduating in 3 years because they're on campus during the Summer because of the off-season programs they're involved with. I think you could see similar trends happen in hoops and the ultimate goal would to have kids graduate.
2) Scholarships change from 1 year to 4 years guaranteed. There needs to be a weeding out of slime balls in the coaching ranks and I think this is one way to do it. Unless a kid doesn't make it academically or violates school rules/conduct/etc, they're guaranteed a degree if they put forth the work. If they wish to transfer, then they can follow the current transfer rules.
3) Infractions need to follow coaches. The fact that a coach can get to a program, cheat his ass off and then scoot before the infractions hit is ridiculous. If a coach is found guilty of breaking major rules, it follows them -- from the head coach to the assistants, whoever is named in the documents. Scarlet letter those assholes. I also think there needs to be a three strikes and you're forever banned policy, too.
Alright, I'm done ranting, but I think there needs to be some major things done to reign in programs like Kentucky and coaches like Calipari.
SycamoreBlue3209
The Newsom Level
I understand the "if you can go to war, you should be able to get drafted by the NBA" to a point, but I have also thought of a reason why they should have to wait.....
If the Atlanta Hawks organization is interested in hiring a new accountant, I assume that person will have at the minimum a bachelors degree in accounting. Therefore, if they are interested in drafting a player to be the "face of the franchise", should no schooling be needed?
Now I know they will never require all NBA participants to have a college degree, but it seems fair to me for require the student-athlete to complete at least three years of college, like the NFL does.
If the Atlanta Hawks organization is interested in hiring a new accountant, I assume that person will have at the minimum a bachelors degree in accounting. Therefore, if they are interested in drafting a player to be the "face of the franchise", should no schooling be needed?
Now I know they will never require all NBA participants to have a college degree, but it seems fair to me for require the student-athlete to complete at least three years of college, like the NFL does.
Kentucky should enjoy it now, because most likely within the next three years they will have to give it back and Calipari will have have moved on to another program and will leave Kentucky to clean up the trainwreck that he caused. They can always just ask UMass or Memphis for advice.
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I don't care if the NBA wants to draft a kid that is 12...if he can play, he can play. The issue is simple, the NBA sucks and makes rules that literally force a player to go to the NBA as soon as possible. Rather than develop their talent. I am one of the biggest advocates for higher education on this site...I have lived it, I have loved it...but if I was 6'10" and incredibly gifted like some of these guys are, I would go for the money and go for it immediately! I can go to school at any point! The NFL rules at least make a point to develop the talent in college while also, in theory allowing the young man to mature. The NBA doesn't care if the guy is mature or ready...they only care that they can make money off selling ads, jerseys, etc.
Sycamore Proud
The Nicks Level
Well said!
This is such an on the mark and well documented column I didn’t know which line from it to use in my intro. I went with the conclusion because Big Buck College Sports have become, as Nocera makes crystal clear, truly Orwellian in their use of “newspeak.” If you can face reality, the entire column and the links are worth your attention.
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That's true but he wasn't saying they don't...they wouldn't have to if they knew they were goin pro but in UKs defense, they do have the highest APR in the SEC
bent20
The Odum Level
Sports teams outside the US sign kids all of the time and put them into farm systems. And we're talking about players much younger than 18 or 19. It would be like the Lakers signing a kid in junior high and putting them in the D-league.
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TH_Sycamore12
The Captain Level
If only you would heed your own comments.
Suddenly the NCAA is gospel on what is and isn't the truth of College Sports, Inc. !?! Give me a break. The NCAA lives for growth and longevity of College Sports, Inc.. It keeps them in business. It pays their salaries. The NCAA is the high priced PR firm, Washington DC lobby, and New York legal eagle law firm all rolled into one that operates as the cover and protector of College Sports, Inc.. The rest of us, the true fans and lovers of sports, we're just the easy marks in their Ponzi scheme.
You should expand your sources a bit. Let some sunshine into those dark and ignored corners of this corrupt and unethical operation.
Try this for a start.
I will only add that I and almost everyone on this board would agree that the NCAA is not perfect and there are many things that need to change, but...all the studies in the world by academia will not change that college sports are here to stay and we all love them. Sure they may change rules, they may change many things...but ultimately college sports will continue.
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Ah, dg, we need to talk about what we hate to talk about. In the jargon of the day, this is a learning experience, a teaching moment. The way Calipari games the situation is vaguely akin to how the Yankees steamroll through MLB year after year, decade after decade. "Them that gots, gets." And the rest? They desperately yearn and maneuver to become the "Little Yankees" of College Sports, Inc.. They recruit beyond their home range. They hire and fire coaches. They pay the big bucks in salaries and facilities. The tax students with fees and the public with taxes to pay the bills. They hit up the alums for big money--money that should go to academic programs not entertainment circuses. And, too often, out of despair and fear, they break the rules (such as they are) to win one for ol' Siwash. It's pitiful and disgusting.
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dr. bucket
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it's america at its flim flam finest
You're mixing your fruits and vegetables...
Please do not compare MLB/NBA/other pro franchises with college sports.
They are different animals AND the MLB is the worst example to use.
Please do not compare MLB/NBA/other pro franchises with college sports.
They are different animals AND the MLB is the worst example to use.
You're right, of course. The analogy is strained--except for the money rules part.