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bbpride

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Bank Shot and SycamoreFan317, you remember the program available through the University that I had mentioned before? Well, it's time to try it! Everyone is saying that the team is falling apart and the coach is making unwise decisions. We all have made suggestions on what we think needs to be done, yet nothing is working.

I suggested to utilize the help provided by the Student Counseling Center (the SCC) to stage an INTERVENTION through the Sport Performance Excellence Training (SPEP) program. This should include the team and coaching staff.

Time for coach to admit that he needs someone or something to come in and snap the team back, really shake things up. I don't want to back this all by myself anymore. For the coach to take this seriously more members need to get behind it.

I think this would benefit the team right now, instead of them giving up and having to wait until next season to try and pull it together.

Tell me what you honestly think?
 

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Something like this could absolutely be valuable and effective. I'm not denying that.

But I can't get the image out of my head, from the movie The Natural, when we see that pyschologist guy talking to the team during their losing streak, "Losing is a disease, as contagious as bubonic plague."

Skip to 31:44 to see that scene.

 
To step BEYOND the head coach for "answers" would be an affirmation of failure. The role of "coach" is multifaceted...he is combination of many things to his players - a father figure, psychologist, general & strategist, teacher, the list goes on & on. He's hired with these expectations and I seriously doubt that the "outside intervention" approach would be appropriate at this level of competition.
 
bbpride said:
Bank Shot and SycamoreFan317, you remember the program available through the University that I had mentioned before? Well, it's time to try it! Everyone is saying that the team is falling apart and the coach is making unwise decisions. We all have made suggestions on what we think needs to be done, yet nothing is working.

I suggested to utilize the help provided by the Student Counseling Center (the SCC) to stage an INTERVENTION through the Sport Performance Excellence Training (SPEP) program. This should include the team and coaching staff.

Time for coach to admit that he needs someone or something to come in and snap the team back, really shake things up. I don't want to back this all by myself anymore. For the coach to take this seriously more members need to get behind it.

I think this would benefit the team right now, instead of them giving up and having to wait until next season to try and pull it together.

Tell me what you honestly think?
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I have a personal case on a pitcher that a talk with a Dr of Psychology absolutely helped and improved control by 75%.
 
Quabachi said:
Something like this could absolutely be valuable and effective. I'm not denying that.

But I can't get the image out of my head, from the movie The Natural, when we see that pyschologist guy talking to the team during their losing streak, "Losing is a disease, as contagious as bubonic plague."

Skip to 31:44 to see that scene.

http://youtu.be/_5BEEpeendWQ
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lol! I forgot about that! Although I hope Sports Psychology has come a long way since then! According to the information on the ISU site, the SPEP combines the SCC's staff expertise in Psychology and Sport Science with University consultants in specialized support areas. This is suppose to produce the most comprehensive and state-of-the art sport performance excellence services available.

Hell, for all I know maybe coach is already utilizing this service. If that is the case there must be some serious flaws in that program!!! If it's not being used at this point all I've been trying to say is it wouldn't hurt to give it a try. It won't make everything perfect but it may help some.
 
BankShot said:
To step BEYOND the head coach for "answers" would be an affirmation of failure. The role of "coach" is multifaceted...he is combination of many things to his players - a father figure, psychologist, general & strategist, teacher, the list goes on & on. He's hired with these expectations and I seriously doubt that the "outside intervention" approach would be appropriate at this level of competition.
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At this or any level, affirmation of failure would be for a coach not to seek out all of the resources availbale to him to help his team. This service is available through the ISU University, so how can you classify it as an "outside intervention?" Isn't this an ISU basketball team? Also, who said anything about stepping BEYOND the coach for answers, when he would be the one to okay it or not? He has total control of the whole situation.This is not an "attack" on the coach it is just an option I'm suggesting.

Or could it be that some people are uncomfortable with the word, PSYCHOLOGY in the name of the program?

Feedback please.
 

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sycamorebacker said:
I have a personal case on a pitcher that a talk with a Dr of Psychology absolutely helped and improved control by 75%.
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Ya, "Bird" Fidrych used that strategy back in the mid-70's. Unfortunately, they started manufacturing baseballs overseas and the Bird's lack of bilingualism when talking to the BASEBALL did him in!:beat:
 
I'm sure several of you are tired of me mentioning this program. So you will be glad to know that I will not be bringing it up anymore. It is out there now and whether the coach wants to use it or not is up to him. Either way, I respect his decision.
 
By "outside intervention," I'm referencing assistance that's beyond what's normally available to a coach. I'm not saying that it couldn't be productive, but once a precedent is established, every sport will be squirming for a "Bench Psychiatrist."

Next, the NCAA Rules Association will establish two (2) sessions/half (5 min max), which will drag the game another 20 minutes longer, etc....by the time the couches are taken off the court. Before you know it, Katherine Hamilton will replace HC with their own in-house facility, fully equipped with locker room shock treatment therapy. Given the increasing electrical rates, can the university afford this?
 
BankShot said:
By "outside intervention," I'm referencing assistance that's beyond what's normally available to a coach. I'm not saying that it couldn't be productive, but once a precedent is established, every sport will be squirming for a "Bench Psychiatrist."

Next, the NCAA Rules Association will establish two (2) sessions/half (5 min max), which will drag the game another 20 minutes longer, etc....by the time the couches are taken off the court. Before you know it, Katherine Hamilton will replace HC with their own in-house facility, fully equipped with locker room shock treatment therapy. Given the increasing electrical rates, can the university afford this?
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What is your deal man? Talk about going overboard! You know you're starting to be a real downer. I'ts just about helping prepare athletes mentally. That is half the battle you know! You seem to have quite a hang up about Psychiatry, who the hell is talking about that anyway. Sure the game is about manning up and being tuff, but there is also a big mental part involved, so what's wrong with focusing A LITTLE on that?

What are you like the toughest kid on the block? The bully of the kids you consider to be weak! Is getting the team any help other than pertaining to the physical make them weak or less manly, in your opinion? Is that why you are so intimidated by the mere thought?
 

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state13 said:
Somebody needs a sense of humor....
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By the way, I do have a sense of humor! It's just a totally different circumstance when you can tell someone is being serious, but you keep making a joke of it!

I said I was done talking about it, but Bank seems to want to keep making comments.
 
state13 said:
Somebody needs a sense of humor....
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In Internet message boards sarcasm should be noted because you aren't the one reading it...just my opinion.
On the subject of psychological intervention; it works really well for alot of guys but there are a few types it can make things worse on. It can make a player who is less than confident even less confident. Creates second guessing at times...this isn't a perfect for everyone type thing but I think it's worth the risk for the guys who are underperforming..
 
Some people are so sensitive. Some of you guys need some thicker skin. Not everyone is going to be super optimistic. Some are just realistic. And those who think the coaches get on here take our suggestions, come on. They didn't get to where they are by listening and acting on fans' suggestions.
 
state13 said:
Some people are so sensitive. Some of you guys need some thicker skin. Not everyone is going to be super optimistic. Some are just realistic. And those who think the coaches get on here take our suggestions, come on. They didn't get to where they are by listening and acting on fans' suggestions.
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If coaches listened to fans opinions everyone would play a 5 guard don Nelson warriors type offense that runs a Lob play every other time down the court, and win.
 

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state13 said:
Some people are so sensitive. Some of you guys need some thicker skin. Not everyone is going to be super optimistic. Some are just realistic. And those who think the coaches get on here take our suggestions, come on. They didn't get to where they are by listening and acting on fans' suggestions.
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According to some of you, I've heard members suggest something and if the coach does it they say, "Oh, he must have seen what I said!"

Don't think that the coaching staff doesn't have someone checking this site out. I'm not saying the coach does or cares about anything that is being said, but he may from time to time take in consideration some of the comments.

Stop the, "bbpride is so sensitive sh_t!" If a particular member would have just made some kind of constructive comment, to my thread first, whether he or she agreed or not, then made a joke, I could have cared less! Just to go on and on about it makes me think that member is the sensitive one! Please don't get offended by me saying, "he or she", because you really don't know if every single member is a male.
 
Lol. What? I think we offer up some great suggestions. I'm saying they aren't going to take any of them.
 
state13 said:
Lol. What? I think we offer up some great suggestions. I'm saying they aren't going to take any of them.
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In general fans (we would be considered fanatics of a larger degree probably) want to see that flashy game that is exciting. Hence why the phoenix suns draw more fans than the pacers one has a clear cut better team BUT the other is a little bit flashier. I was agreeing with you there btw. People who get on here thinking whatever they say is likely to make a difference in what the actual on the field production is are just wrong.
 
The flashy stuff is fun to watch, but it's not always good basketball. We don't have the athletes to do that. But I would like to see us speed it up some. We all want the same thing...wins. However it gets done, as long as we win, I don't care if we shoot it 20 times a game.
 
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