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A prediction with nothing really breathtaking.... I anticipate ISU to be competitive in every game this year - I mean could potentially win every game. No blowouts this year. I think the 3 teams battling for the MVC will be Wichita, Evansville, and ISU. I think the loss of Gant and Kitchell will easily be replaced with quicker more agile players. The 3 point threat that Gant had and occasionally Kitchell will also easily be replaced. Their rebounding, too, easily replaced. Our reservoir of 6'6"-6'9" talent is easily sufficient. Niels shooting threat and quickness will help. Van Scyoc will be a force in all aspects of the game. Rickman will get occasional valuable minutes and just might provide more strength than we saw last year, already as a frosh. Three leading contributors return. BK is yet an unknown quantity - redshirt? Deep at the 1-4 positions, which can take pressure off the 5. The 5 position will be a questionably defined position in many games these season - in MVC play, anyway. We may struggle against a talented 6'10+ center, when faced occasionally.
The Paradise Jam is loaded. All teams are tough with main units returning after successful season last year.
The Orlando Classic next year will be good...
The Las Vegas Tournament last year was a good test...
ISU is doing a good job of landing nice tournaments and gives players a good travel experience outside of Terradise.
 

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A prediction with nothing really breathtaking.... I anticipate ISU to be competitive in every game this year - I mean could potentially win every game. No blowouts this year. I think the 3 teams battling for the MVC will be Wichita, Evansville, and ISU. I think the loss of Gant and Kitchell will easily be replaced with quicker more agile players. The 3 point threat that Gant had and occasionally Kitchell will also easily be replaced. Their rebounding, too, easily replaced. Our reservoir of 6'6"-6'9" talent is easily sufficient. Niels shooting threat and quickness will help. Van Scyoc will be a force in all aspects of the game. Rickman will get occasional valuable minutes and just might provide more strength than we saw last year, already as a frosh. Three leading contributors return. BK is yet an unknown quantity - redshirt?.

Oh where to start with this...

BK? As in Kessinger? Where have you been? They already said he is going to redshirt months ago. He hasn't even been cleared to fully participate in practice. That alone pretty much discredits everything you posted above, but since I am here.

"Gant and Kitchell will easily be replaced". Really? If your going to come on here with ridiculous shit like that you ought to explain yourself. Because the 3 guys that are replacing them have a combined experience of 125 mins total (or 3 total games) at the division 1 level. When the bio for the one guy with any experience reads "converted a conventional 3 point play vs. Wichita State http://m.gosycamores.com/mobile/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209519585&db_oem_id=15200 then you have got a long freaking way to go. To be clear I am not including MVS a natrual 3 as a replacement for Gant or Kitchell - sorry not doing that. Both of those guys were 4 or 5s and although MVS might play some 4 I'm not including him in this conversation. The fact of the matter is that for us to have a good season I think we are going to have to get a good deal of production out of the combo Niels, Murphy and Rickman. To come on here and proclaim that these guys will easily replace two guys who had solid Sycamore careers is not only disrespectful to them it is setting up the new guys for failure by creating unrealistic expectations.

So now that I have totally pissed you off and wasted my time back to sitting in a tree and waiting on a deer.
 
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Well now we all know none of us are as smart as the youngster SSOM. He ran through the woods and circled a track in his athletic career but again we all must realize that he has been an insider and knows it all about basketball. We must overlook his young punk smartass attitude when he forgets that most of us on here have seen more seasons of basketball than he is old. If he was as smart as he thinks he would be making a mint in Vegas. Oh yea.....run Bambi run.
 
A prediction with nothing really breathtaking.... I anticipate ISU to be competitive in every game this year - I mean could potentially win every game. No blowouts this year. I think the 3 teams battling for the MVC will be Wichita, Evansville, and ISU. I think the loss of Gant and Kitchell will easily be replaced with quicker more agile players. The 3 point threat that Gant had and occasionally Kitchell will also easily be replaced. Their rebounding, too, easily replaced. Our reservoir of 6'6"-6'9" talent is easily sufficient. Niels shooting threat and quickness will help. Van Scyoc will be a force in all aspects of the game. Rickman will get occasional valuable minutes and just might provide more strength than we saw last year, already as a frosh. Three leading contributors return. BK is yet an unknown quantity - redshirt? Deep at the 1-4 positions, which can take pressure off the 5. The 5 position will be a questionably defined position in many games these season - in MVC play, anyway. We may struggle against a talented 6'10+ center, when faced occasionally.
The Paradise Jam is loaded. All teams are tough with main units returning after successful season last year.
The Orlando Classic next year will be good...
The Las Vegas Tournament last year was a good test...
ISU is doing a good job of landing nice tournaments and gives players a good travel experience outside of Terradise.

I too think Gant & Kitchell both failed to perform at a level expected of seniors having been in the program for 4 & 5 years. I think play will be better this season even if we end up playing with a 6'6 front line while the bigger guys work into their roles.
 

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I'm with SSOM on this one. I too cannot fathom that we will go through this season and not miss the likes of Gant and Kitch at some point. Wichita and Mock from Evansville will wake us up to that reality later on this year. However, we are deeper and more experienced at positions 1-3. We will just have to work by committee on the frontline to get it done.
 
How many non conference wins would be a realistic goal for this team?

IUPUI - win
Wyoming - win
Norfolk State - win
Tulsa - loss
? - win
EIU - win
Butler - loss
Valpo - win
WKU - loss
Illinois Springfield - win
St. Louis - win
Ball State - win

9-3

Is this realistic ? Yes. But also doubtful. 7-5 is incredibly realistic, and hopefully so is 8-4.

Hell, I really think if the offense of Brown, Scott, Smith, and Scyoc is as potent as I think it could be, and if the team plays defense like Lansing demands, we could be 10-2 or better in the noncon...but I know that's the Sycamore fan's optimism in me! Soooo looking forward to this season starting!
 
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The only issue I see here is that no one is taking into account Kitch and Gant's defense. If all you want to do is look at stats and say "he only had x rebounds and scored y points, we can replace that" then you might be correct. However it remains to be seen who is going to replace their defense on many bigs we will face in the Valley. Do we really think Rickmon and/or Murphy is ready to go up against Eville or wichita state's front line?

As the old saying goes, "fans love freshman, coaches love seniors."
 
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Oh where to start with this...

To be clear I am not including MVS a natrual 3 as a replacement for Gant or Kitchell - sorry not doing that.

I disagree with this. I think with the option to play 3 guards and with KS at the 3, then MVS and BB will both be playing a lot of 4. I would say the only way we lose on the Gant/Kitch replacements is defense at the 5. But I'm not in mourning with our new guys stepping in at the 4-5.
 

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I disagree with this. I think with the option to play 3 guards and with KS at the 3, then MVS and BB will both be playing a lot of 4. I would say the only way we lose on the Gant/Kitch replacements is defense at the 5. But I'm not in mourning with our new guys stepping in at the 4-5.

For sure. MVS has to be considered a four in most lineups, was Matt Renn not a four because he's 6'6?
Rim protection will be where we miss JG and Kitch the most, but it seems like Lansing is really excited about that aspect of Rickman's game.

Overall, I expect weaker defense inside, but more scoring from the 4/5 on offense. Hopefully offense wins out!
 
I disagree with this. I think with the option to play 3 guards and with KS at the 3, then MVS and BB will both be playing a lot of 4. I would say the only way we lose on the Gant/Kitch replacements is defense at the 5. But I'm not in mourning with our new guys stepping in at the 4-5.

To be clear, I understand and agree that MVS will play the 4 and posted such in The Pride forum a few days ago. I just don't think he is a natural 4 and thus when anyone is talking about him as a "replacement" for Gant and Kitch I am just not buying that for conversation sake. I think he is being put in a tough spot because of our lack of depth at the 4 and 5.

I don't think you look at a height or weight chart to determine who plays where. It's not that simple - it all has to do with match-ups and skill set. I think MVS will do an okay job at that position but personally I think he is a 3 on most rosters. Not really asking anyone to agree or disagree with me on that just my opinion having seen him a few times.

Lastly not morning over the loss of Gant and Kitch - I didn't bring them up in the first place, I have most certainly moved on. Of course until people want to come on here and act like they didn't give us anything at all. Pretty safe to say that is not the case and it's pretty weak for some people to come on here after those respective careers have ended and put them on blast like that. We've all been critical of people and I welcome that sort of talk as this is a message board of mostly fans - that makes it more fun. But I disagree with the fact that Murphy, Rickman, Niels is an assume upgrade from those 2 guys. I sure hope it is - boy that would be nice!
 
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Oh where to start with this...

BK? As in Kessinger? Where have you been? They already said he is going to redshirt months ago. He hasn't even been cleared to fully participate in practice. That alone pretty much discredits everything you posted above, but since I am here.

"Gant and Kitchell will easily be replaced". Really? If your going to come on here with ridiculous shit like that you ought to explain yourself. Because the 3 guys that are replacing them have a combined experience of 125 mins total (or 3 total games) at the division 1 level. When the bio for the one guy with any experience reads "converted a conventional 3 point play vs. Wichita State http://m.gosycamores.com/mobile/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209519585&db_oem_id=15200 then you have got a long freaking way to go. To be clear I am not including MVS a natrual 3 as a replacement for Gant or Kitchell - sorry not doing that. Both of those guys were 4 or 5s and although MVS might play some 4 I'm not including him in this conversation. The fact of the matter is that for us to have a good season I think we are going to have to get a good deal of production out of the combo Niels, Murphy and Rickman. To come on here and proclaim that these guys will easily replace two guys who had solid Sycamore careers is not only disrespectful to them it is setting up the new guys for failure by creating unrealistic expectations.

So now that I have totally pissed you off and wasted my time back to sitting in a tree and waiting on a deer.

I'm not pissed... enjoyed reading your response. I don't mind explaining my thoughts in more detail – I just assumed most educated basketball minds understood where I was coming from and little explanation was required. LOL I hope you were sipping some bourbon while hunting...

BK – Yes – an unknown quantity this year due to red shirt? Also, this denotes he is an unknown quantity for next season also (for fans). I have seen him play several times so I “think” I know what he can do, but that is yet to be seen.

I think we are capable of winning every game we play this year. Will we? Heck no...
Regarding Gant and Kitchell, I love them as players and Trees... they were great for ISU. Their style of play was what it was and Lansing utilized their strengths and weaknesses very well IMHO. With the major ingredients of offense and defense returning from last season I think ISU is in a good position. The talent at 6'5” – 6'9” is pretty good. We are blessed with talent at the guard position, and I might add there seems to be unique talents at the guard positions that don't overlap much. This gives ISU some flexibility in subbing and game plans. Back to Gant and Kitch, well.... the 6'5-6'9” talent I mention bundled with strong guard play might render the ability to really stretch the defense – as Gant and Kitch did, but with more speed and agility. That's all... We lose some size but gain speed, especially lateral speed. Speed can really help secure good block outs, which will be needed. I see our 5 or center, whatever we wish to call him, picking up some trash and getting rebounds. Most of the scoring and defense will come from 1-4. The 5, and even 4, will have pressure taken off of him with good perimeter pressure, defending the movement (defending the movement will be key). You know, beating the man to the block, keeping the offense off their intended positions by a few feet, defending the cuts, and that keeps the offense out of rhythm. Murphy I think will do well when needed with his unique round-mound-of-bound build, Niels will do well, but there are a few other options even without them that we have this year. Please review the roster... I think we have 4 pretty solid players.... Last year's leading scorers and VS. Those guys can stretch on defense and offense... and look who is sitting the bench still if those 4 are potentially playing. I'm just saying the options are there and, yes, it would be nice to have Bell.... Being loaded at 1-3 and I say 1-4 with a strong bench at 1-3 gives us ability to keep the intensity level high the entire game. I think there are 10 players that can get some minutes and compete – which gives several options. I really don't think there is much comparison with last year's team and this years... They will be different out of necessity. I don't think we will need a great deal of production from Niels, Rickman and Murphy. We will need some production – but I see this team with much balance. Really, I need to get a definition on production. How do you mean that in the basketball world? Defense? Offense? Intensity? Intangibles? Intangibles don't exist in my mind – but to some they do. If I see it – I can measure it's importance.
FYI – I mention the “5” only for fun, a team isn't required to have a 5 or 4 for that matter. I can see us no taller than 6'6' on occasion. I can see us 6'1” - 6'6” most of the year with maybe Emondre, Niels, or the Round-mound-of-bound. The leadership of the main 4 can carry Emondre & Niels.
It will be interesting to see how we do against a talented 6'10” big. That will be interesting. Overall, what ISU lost - can be replaced.
I try not to get caught up in defining player positions... It's the coaches job to put a player in a position to create a positive outcome. For instance we can play 4 players 6'1"-6'6". Who is the 1,2,3,4? It's simple. It does not matter. Does our offense get designed for 1-5 players or for John, Roy, Larry, Ricky & Eddie? It gets designed for the players, not the positions... It gets design based on the conditions. Right? Maybe the foundation of the offense relies on 1-5 positions, but the coaches and players refine it to the benefit of a positive outcome.
I also don't think UE is getting the respect they deserve. They will be pretty good.
 
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Lastly not morning over the loss of Gant and Kitch - I didn't bring them up in the first place, I have most certainly moved on. Of course until people want to come on here and act like they didn't give us anything at all. Pretty safe to say that is not the case and it's pretty weak for some people to come on here after those respective careers have ended and put them on blast like that.!

One of us misread the post. I thought he said they could be replaced. Now you are saying he said they didn't give us anything. I've seen a lot of good players replaced down through the years. You don't have to replace a "player." You can replace 2 rebounds from the 5 with 3 pts from the 2. We'll probably miss some D from Gant/Kitch because of their experience.
I, for one, truly believe that we have more talent this year than ever. But all of the pieces need to fit together into one unit.
 

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I know it doesn't mean much once the season starts but MVS did not play any 4 during the open scrimmage at Homecoming.

He participated in all of the guard/wing drills and then played the 3 the entire time. Granted, it was a controlled environment when not all of the best players were on the floor but just something to consider.
 
I know it doesn't mean much once the season starts but MVS did not play any 4 during the open scrimmage at Homecoming.

He participated in all of the guard/wing drills and then played the 3 the entire time. Granted, it was a controlled environment when not all of the best players were on the floor but just something to consider.

Yes, that would indicate that he is our backup #3. However, as long as KS is on the floor, MVS and BB would be playing the 4. Also, if we play a 3G lineup, the 4 would probably be KS, MVS or BB.
 
I'll go with my old standby, which is that anything above .500 by season's end will make me happy. We have so many unknowns and as is the case almost every year, fans here are overly optimistic about those unknowns proving to be advantages or improvements, rather than major negatives. I appreciate the glass half full approach, but I don't see enough to lead me to think we should be expecting a top of the conference finish.
 
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