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Jason Svoboda said:
You should be able to sell alcohol on Sunday.

It is a law centered around religion which I don't believe has any place in laws.
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OK... wanna take a guess how many of our (US Code and State Codes) laws ARE centered on religion? far more than this one.

I laugh at the proponents who claim the state is losing $$$, refuse to believe it. I know PLENTY of people who drink on Sunday, they simply have to remember to buy their hooch on Mon-Sat... Any $$$ that are flowing to neighboring states has little/nothing to do w/ the current law --- it's price or convenience... Convenient because that person does most/all of their shopping there, NOT just alcohol.
 
4Q_iu said:
OK... wanna take a guess how many of our (US Code and State Codes) laws ARE centered on religion? far more than this one.

I laugh at the proponents who claim the state is losing $$$, refuse to believe it. I know PLENTY of people who drink on Sunday, they simply have to remember to buy their hooch on Mon-Sat... Any $$$ that are flowing to neighboring states has little/nothing to do w/ the current law --- it's price or convenience... Convenient because that person does most/all of their shopping there, NOT just alcohol.
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And they should be ripped out... every last one of them.

As for the losing money comments, my wife works at the state and her org can't get proper funding to staff the facility to the point where they are turning away people that need services. While they may not be losing per se, they could always use more. As for alcohol needing to be purchased the other 6 days, that's immaterial... if I want to go buy a six pack before the Bears game on Sunday, I should be able to.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
And they should be ripped out... every last one of them.

As for the losing money comments, my wife works at the state and her org can't get proper funding to staff the facility to the point where they are turning away people that need services. While they may not be losing per se, they could always use more. As for alcohol needing to be purchased the other 6 days, that's immaterial... if I want to go buy a six pack before the Bears game on Sunday, I should be able to.
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OK --- so we rip up the laws that criminalize theft and murder? Those are CLEARLY grounded in the Ten Commandments...

I guarantee there will be no ADDITIONAL revenue because Sunday sales are allowed... that Sunday sale will be "moved" from a sale on Mon-Sat -- guarantee it.
 
Jason, the foundational element of the legal system of this country is the 10 Commandments. You really want to rip the foundation apart? That's what you just advocated. Whether you are religious or not religious, the country was founded on the principles of Christianity. That's just the way it is. But yeah, rip it apart...:blink:

I don't really care about alcohol sales on Sunday. If someone's life so greatly revolves around alcohol, they've got bigger problems than whether or not they can buy on Sunday...:no:
 

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Somebody give me a good reason NOT to allow people to buy alcohol on Sunday?

Kansas has a somewhat similar law, although their's almost makes less sense. Liquor stores are closed on Sunday, but you can buy 3.2% alcohol content beer in the grocery stores...but only after noon on Sunday's. Missouri RAKES in the revenue because of this.
 
4Q_iu said:
OK --- so we rip up the laws that criminalize theft and murder? Those are CLEARLY grounded in the Ten Commandments...

I guarantee there will be no ADDITIONAL revenue because Sunday sales are allowed... that Sunday sale will be "moved" from a sale on Mon-Sat -- guarantee it.
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IndyTreeFan said:
Jason, the foundational element of the legal system of this country is the 10 Commandments. You really want to rip the foundation apart? That's what you just advocated. Whether you are religious or not religious, the country was founded on the principles of Christianity. That's just the way it is. But yeah, rip it apart...:blink:

I don't really care about alcohol sales on Sunday. If someone's life so greatly revolves around alcohol, they've got bigger problems than whether or not they can buy on Sunday...:no:
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I'm not even starting this debate. I don't consider the Ten Commandments as the foundation for our laws. They're what I consider natural law -- don't kill, steal, etc. and they would have been put into place without the 10C IMO. If you don't believe that, great.

Back to alcohol and let's keep the focus there. If it's legal to purchase 6 days of the week, can you give me ONE reason why it shouldn't be sold on the 7th that isn't religion based?
 
BrokerZ said:
Somebody give me a good reason NOT to allow people to buy alcohol on Sunday?

Kansas has a somewhat similar law, although their's almost makes less sense. Liquor stores are closed on Sunday, but you can buy 3.2% alcohol content beer in the grocery stores...but only after noon on Sunday's. Missouri RAKES in the revenue because of this.
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Religious nutjobs. Let's call it what it is and who put the laws in place.

Sorry, not sorry. For evidence, see the Indiana Republican Party. They've done a bang up job recently in this State.
 
There is nothing biblically based around not drinking alcohol on Sunday. If people are using religion as a foundation for this law, then they are wrong. And I say that as a devout Christian and an Elder in my church.
 
BrokerZ said:
There is nothing biblically based around not drinking alcohol on Sunday. If people are using religion as a foundation for this law, then they are wrong.
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My understanding is that is pertains to Sunday being the day of the Sabbath.

I'm not old enough but I remember being told that back in the "olden days" (LOL, early 70s and before) that a lot of states had laws that prohibited stores from being opened on Sunday. As society (and the economy) became more progressive, those laws went away but selling alcohol stayed in many places or after certain times, like noon in your case because that is after church is dismissed.

Think they're all called "blue laws" IIRC.
 

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Jason Svoboda said:
Religious nutjobs. Let's call it what it is and who put the laws in place.

Sorry, not sorry. For evidence, see the Indiana Republican Party. They've done a bang up job recently in this State.
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Wow... I rarely venture into this waters on here and I have my reasons.

An attempt to push-aside Americas past to steer our future in a direction more suitable to oneself, now that is a novel concept. Not that I want to go down this slippery slope (as you are my friend), but you seem to be very out spoken on this issue and I too have the right to stand up for what I believe and the core christian principals that this country is (not "was" for it has not changed) founded on are important to how I was raised, how I live my life today and how I will raise my children. But I won't muddy the waters, what my Christian beliefs are have no place in this discussion. But don't attempt demean Christianity and our Founding Fathers.

I could care less if alcohol is sold on Sunday - matters not to me. I also enjoy coldies, I just buy them on Friday or Saturday if necessary.
 
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Jason Svoboda said:
As society (and the economy) became more progressive, those laws went away but selling alcohol stayed in many places or after certain times, like noon in your case because that is after church is dismissed.
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So we are calling these movements in our country "progressive movements", interesting spin on things for certain.
 
IndyTreeFan said:
Yes, those "progressive" movements have really made society better...smh...:secret:
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Yeah...

An 90 minutes ago someone mentioned alcohol sales on Sunday, 1 reply later Religion is brought into play in a slighting fashion and here we are 2 pages going on 6. I will not partake much further, but this country is more divided than it ever has been. Progressive isn't the word I would use.

But yeah, the booze debate isn't all that interesting to me either I guess. I mean, I don't have an opinion either way on it. The law doesn't change anything for me.
 
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I agree. I totally don't care about booze on Sundays, as I rarely drink, but as I said, if it's that big of a deal to someone, there might be bigger issues in that person's life...
 

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IndyTreeFan said:
I agree. I totally don't care about booze on Sundays, as I rarely drink, but as I said, if it's that big of a deal to someone, there might be bigger issues in that person's life...
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Amen Brother ITF! AMEN!

I could care less how/what/when people drink; I enjoy most alcoholic beverages and partake as I choose, WHEN I choose.

However, I don't and won't lose ONE SECOND of sleep if Indiana keeps the current law in place. I REFUSE to believe that ANYONE is 'hurt' by the current law. If folks can't figure out that Indiana CHOOSES to sell alcohol (package sales) Mon-Sat AND take the appropriate steps to purchase enough on those 6 days to make it through day 7... Damn, do y'all have problems!

Seriously, this bill is DESPERATELY searching for a problem to correct. I put it next to the 'Open Car Dealerships on Sunday' -- I know of NO ONE who can't buy a car Mon-Sat. MOST folks I know in Indiana LOVE that the dealerships are CLOSED on Sunday; they can EASILY walk the lots, looking at the cars WITHOUT being 'harassed' by the salesmen.
 
Again, just about everyone on here has said that they don't care. They drink what they want and apparnetly when they want to...provided you purchase it Monday - Saturday. Doesn't that seem dumb? I don't think anyone is looking for a problem to fix, it's just a silly law that shouldn't be a law.

There are benefits to selling on Sundays. One, more tax revenue to the state. Two, somebody has to work the counter at those liquor stores so we are taking away some jobs/income from people who could work on Sundays. I'm sure there are arguments to be made against both of those points, but I've yet to hear a logical argument for KEEPING the law in place. Those are just two benefits that came to my mind in about 10 seconds. If the law doesn't serve any purpose but to be annoying and stupid, then why keep the law when there at least appears to be some benefits for doing so.

So, great, we've all been conditioned to buy our beer/liquor on Saturday. That doesn't mean the law is serving a purpose just because most people have found a way to work around it. For every one person who remembers to buy on Saturday there is probably another person (or more) who forgot and thusly don't and can't buy at all on Sunday.

This shouldn't be a religious or democrat/rebublican/liberal/conservative debate. It's just a common sense debate.
 
BrokerZ said:
Again, just about everyone on here has said that they don't care. They drink what they want and apparnetly when they want to...provided you purchase it Monday - Saturday. Doesn't that seem dumb? I don't think anyone is looking for a problem to fix, it's just a silly law that shouldn't be a law.

There are benefits to selling on Sundays. One, more tax revenue to the state. Two, somebody has to work the counter at those liquor stores so we are taking away some jobs/income from people who could work on Sundays. I'm sure there are arguments to be made against both of those points, but I've yet to hear a logical argument for KEEPING the law in place. Those are just two benefits that came to my mind in about 10 seconds. If the law doesn't serve any purpose but to be annoying and stupid, then why keep the law when there at least appears to be some benefits for doing so.

So, great, we've all been conditioned to buy our beer/liquor on Saturday. That doesn't mean the law is serving a purpose just because most people have found a way to work around it. For every one person who remembers to buy on Saturday there is probably another person (or more) who forgot and thusly don't and can't buy at all on Sunday.

This shouldn't be a religious or democrat/rebublican/liberal/conservative debate. It's just a common sense debate.
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You've bought into the argument of the Big Box stores.

There will be ZERO new revenue. Do you REALLY think that revenue will EXPLODE b/c this law changes?

Any liquor revenue on a Sunday sale will be a TRANSFER of the SAME revenue from a like sale on Mon-Sat. NO NEW / ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

The Liquor Stores will HAVE to open and will NOT see any significant INCREASE to their bottom line; merely MORE work for the same or LESS revenue.

IF the law was to ONLY allow liquor stores to sell on Sundays, then you would see an increase for that shop. BUT the Big Boxes have been pushing this because they want to sell it on Sundays, as they ALREADY do, Mon-Sat. They're not going to add jobs, they already HAVE the workforce they need/want.

The only thing THIS law will do is KILL the Mom/Pop liquor stores in Indiana.
 
Jason Svoboda said:
Religious nutjobs. Let's call it what it is and who put the laws in place.

Sorry, not sorry. For evidence, see the Indiana Republican Party. They've done a bang up job recently in this State.
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Because someone believes different than you and they happen to be a Christian they are a religious nut job? I guess that makes me a religious nut job. Strange, I thought the religious nut job republicans were the only intolerant people in this country. BTW, I really don't care one way or another whether they change the law.
 
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