If you don’t pay NIL then don’t anticipate getting anyone of ability to come hear out of HS or portal. There has to be money on the table to some degree.
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Who do you want as our next head coach?
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Southgrad07
The Renn Level
Until they fix the system I wouldnt pay anyone out of HS NIL. By the time we develop them a bigger school will just pay them more to take them.
Are any of the names mentioned earlier in the Crutchfield tree in the mix at all?
Pendleton_alum
The Sycamore Level
Can a collective include tenure (for lack of a better word) phrasing into their NIL contracts?
i.e. Crossroads of champions agrees to pay $35K/year for the '24-'25, '25-'26 seasons guaranteed. Should athlete transfer to a separate institution during this period, the athlete agrees to pay back 10% of all future NIL earnings during their remaining years of eligibility.
We'd have to have a better developed NIL war chest along with other institutions willingness to adopt similar phrasing... If it were to hold up legally; it could allow for smaller institutions like ISU to target recruits earlier in the process while simultaneously gaining back leverage from the wild west of transfers that has been created.
Such is the life of a mid major. But understand this, if you follow the philosophy of never paying HS players NIL money, then you run the risk of missing really good under the radar players that can potentially get you to the dance. If you make the dance, you make money. Make money, improve your program, become more successful. Yes your players will get pilfered but if you create a system of success you can continue to be competitive.
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Perhaps the new way for ISU to be successful is to become, and market themselves as, sort of a AAA farm team for P2 schools. Consistently find those players who we can develop and move on the the P2 after a couple of years. Sort of like Murray State has done with coaches for 30 years. Obviously, the paradigm has shifted and we've got to do something to continue to be relevant. Perhaps this is the new reality, and if we embrace it and sort of be a pack leader, we might have something. I don't know, just spitballin' here...
You can't take their future earnings, but multi-year NILs are happening. What you can do is lets say you give them $50k per year. If they sign a 3 year deal and want to leave after year two, they have to pay the third year $50k as the buyout. For kids that blowup, they will and then that essentially gets you the current year spend back but such things will be a potential barrier to entry.
You can do tiered NIL deals, too. I think that makes sense for us.
Like I posted in the CoC/NIL/Sportz Biz subforum, I've probably read 200 or so NIL articles in the last 3 months and have surfed almost every mid-major team board that is out there and $600k a year would be doable for our market and would mean our coach should have no problems competing on a yearly basis in the Valley.
As @jturner38 smartly said -- we just have to compete against the Valley. That is what we should be focused on doing.
I hate it but it may be the new reality. The loss of talent from the MVC to P5's this year make your case.
Since the NCAA proved this year that winning Arch Madness is almost our ONLY avenue to the dance, this makes sense 100%.
The way to be most successful is become the producer of talent for P5 schools in this modern era of college sports. If you have the talent to be routinely successful enough to make the dance, or even become competitive in football, it will benefit athletics as a whole. Make tournaments, make money. Make money, improve facilities, pay coaches. Be successful, get fans. Get fans, get more NIL money. More NIL money, get players earlier to help continue success.
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Southgrad07
The Renn Level
I know JS was big on paying the guys who you have and not paying for recruits from the portal, basically prove your worth here before you get NIL money.. As you can see that didn't work out real well for us bc all that happen is they all played so well they priced themselves out of our range. I think we have to seriously consider going down the road of trusting our talent evaluation and signing players from the portal to deals like mentioned above. At least that way if they leave you end up with a chunk of money to help get the next guy.
niklz62
The JSW Level
A buddy of mine had a football playing son who wasnt getting looked at in the level he wanted to play, a D2 school's pitch was "come here, if you want to stay stay, if you dominate right away and want to move up, no hard feelings" I think we could get some guys that way. I dont think its any worse than the big schools getting guys who are going to go straight to the NBA.
Recruiting is a whole different context and philosophy in this plan. Recruiting of athletes that may have had issues or possibly injuries, late bloomers, ones that have fallen through the cracks. Not everyone is going to be a stud, but careful consideration will need to happen. I can also see a future where mid majors almost become juco’s to P5 schools. Coaches will have agreements in place where the P5 says go play at ISU for a year and develop, then I’ll bring you in. Both parties win in that scenario.
Good point.
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Didn’t he leave shortly after Schertz was hired? I thought there was bad blood since he didn’t get it then. Not 100% positive…..
the macro view of your candidates...
Graves - current Interim Head Coach, ISU, on ISU Staff 3 seasons; former Div I HC (So Alabama) 65-96 _ .404
Furr - current ISU assistant, on ISU Staff 2 seasons; ~17-seasons MBB ass't, Div I with ISU and FGCU; the rest is D2 or lower
Odum - former player, GA, ass't for Coffeyville JC for ??
Richardson - current NC State ass't, former Div I HC (UMKC) 75-118 _ .389
What's Odum doing now? Still at Coffeyville?
Put up a poll -- how many would take Simmons over Huggins...
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